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Jerricho to Mehta: If he (Derrick Mason) passes physical, he's here and I'm not

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Vicious89x

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That's fine... I wasn't countering the continuity argument, but the claims that Jerricho Cotchery is a far superior option to a guy who has been one of the most consistent receivers in the game for over a decade.

Yea but you're using logic which you know, not a good idea. If you talk in terms of intangibles, then I think you have a case.

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Doggin94it

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Is that a trick question?

A wide receiver is an offensive position in American and Canadian football, and is the key player in most of the passing plays. Only players in the backfield or the ends on the line are eligible to catch a forward pass. The two players who begin play at the ends of the offensive line are eligible receivers, as are all players in the backfield. The backs and ends who are relatively near the sidelines are referred to as "wide" receivers. At the start of play, one wide receiver may begin play in the backfield, at least a yard behind the line of scrimmage, as is shown in the diagram at the right. The wide receiver on the right begins play in the backfield. Such positioning allows another player, usually the tight end, to become the eligible receiver on that side of the line. Such positioning defines the strong side of the field. This is the right side of the field in the diagram shown.

The wide receiver (WR) or a flanker as referred to by Craig Kelskey in his famous football coaching quote "you got ya flankas on your left and right sides" is a position in American and Canadian football is the pass-catching specialist. Wide receivers (also referred to as wideouts or simply receivers) are among the fastest and most agile players in the game, and they are frequent highlight-reel favorites.

The wide receiver's principal role is to catch passes from the quarterback. On passing plays, the receiver attempts to avoid, outmaneuver, or simply outrun defenders (typically cornerbacks and/or safeties) in the area of his pass route. If the receiver becomes open, or has an unobstructed path to the destination of a catch, he may then become the quarterback's target. Once a pass is thrown in his direction, the receiver's goal is to first catch the ball and then attempt to run downfield. Some receivers are perceived as a deep threat because of their flat-out speed, while others may be possession receivers known for not dropping passes, running crossing routes across the middle of the field, and generally, converting third down situations. A receiver's height and weight also contribute to his expected role; tall in height and light in weight are advantages at the receiver position.

Wide receivers, and the passing game generally, are particularly important when a team uses a hurry-up offense. Receivers are able to position themselves near the sideline to run out of bounds, stopping the clock at the end of the play (NFL, and last two minutes of each half in NCAA). (A failed, "incomplete," pass attempt will also stop the clock.)

A wide receiver has two potential roles in running routes that range in status. Particularly in the case of draw plays, he may run a pass route with the intent of drawing off defenders. Alternatively, he may block normally for the running back. Well-rounded receivers are noted for blocking defensive backs in support of teammates in addition to their pass-catching abilities.

Sometimes wide receivers are used to run the ball, usually in some form of reverse. This can be effective because the defense usually does not expect them to be the ball carrier on running plays. Although receivers are rarely used as ball carriers, running the ball with a receiver can be extremely successful. For example, in addition to holding nearly every National Football League receiving record, wide receiver Jerry Rice also rushed the ball 87 times for 645 yards and 10 touchdowns in his 20 NFL seasons.[1]

In even rarer cases, receivers may pass the ball as part of a trick play. Despite the infrequency of these plays, some receivers have proven to be capable passers, particularly those with prior experience as a quarterback. A remarkable example where wide receiver and quarterback even swapped roles was Kansas City Chiefs' WR Mark Bradley's 37 yard touchdown pass to QB Tyler Thigpen against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on 2 November 2008.[2]

Wide receivers also serve on special teams as return men on kickoffs and punts, or as part of the hands team during onside kicks.[3][4]

Finally, on errant passes, receivers must frequently play a defensive role by attempting to prevent an interception. If a pass is intercepted, receivers must use their speed to chase down and tackle the ball carrier to prevent him from returning the ball for a long gain or a touchdown.

In the NFL wide receivers can use the numbers 10-19 and 80-89.

[edit] Types

While the general fan base and most commentators use the generic term wide receiver for all such players, specific names exist for most receiver positions:

* Split end (X or SE): A receiver on the line of scrimmage, necessary to meet the rule requiring seven such players at snap. Where applicable, this receiver is on the opposite side of the tight end. The split end is farthest from center on his side of the field.[5]

* Flanker (Z or FL): A receiver lining up behind the line of scrimmage. Frequently the team's featured receiver, the flanker uses the initial buffer between himself and a defender to avoid jamming, legal contact within five yards of the line of scrimmage. The flanker is generally on the same side of the formation as a tight end. As with the split end, this receiver is the farthest player from the center on his side of the field. The flanker is probably lined up just like a split end except that he is just behind the line of scrimmage, being in the backfield and not on the line.[6]

* Slot receiver (Y or SL): A less-formal name given to receivers in addition to split ends and flankers (for example tight-ends who line up wide). These receivers line up between the split end/flanker and the linemen. If aligned with a flanker, the slot receiver is usually on the line of scrimmage, and if with a split end, off the line of scrimmage. As with the flanker position, a featured receiver often takes a slot position with a split end to avoid jamming.[6]

* Slot back: A receiver lining up in the offensive back field. Canadian and Arena football allow them to take a running start at the line. They are usually larger players as they need to make catches over the middle. In American football slot backs are typically used in flexbone or other triple option offenses while Canadian football uses them in almost all formations.

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Doggin94it

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Wait wait wait wait wait.... WHY are we releasing Jerricho? No, I'm seriously asking, WHY? Someone please explain to me like i'm a first grader because that is how confused I feel right now.

Jason's answer earlier in the thread makes the most sense - because they are looking to clear cap for 2012

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I don't disagree that Sanchez needs to play better, but there's no question that a little consistency at WR could help him out. The fact is the guy is not Rivers, Brees, Brady or Manning and may very well never be. Granted that doesn't mean he should need all star WRs around him to succeed, but is it really coincidence in back to back years his play went down the sh*tter at the same time as the change of his WR lineup? As I said earlier in the thread, I don't think Mason is a bad player and don't have an issue with bringing him overall, but just trying to help Sanchez out with some consistency would be nice, particularly since with Burress and Mason as 2 of your top 3 receivers, you're pretty much guaranteeing another WR corps overhaul next year again.

Can he at least be Ryan Fitzpatrick? He looked pretty good with Stevie Johnson and a bunch of rejects...

I think the continuity aspect is a bit overrated. If Mark plays to his potential, which I think he will, replacing Cotch with Mason is going to matter 1 iota. In fact Mason may have some tricks up his sleeve that Jerricho doesn't.

Masons is old in football years but maybe he's the Jack Lalanne of WR's.. swims lakes and runs 20 miles for fun.

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That is another example why guys have to try to get as much as they can when they can.

You're right, though that only sounds good, but when players put that notion into practice (Revis for example) the fans were damn near catching a heart attack.

I stated this during the Revis situation and it rings true right now. "When the player wants top dollar they're selfish, not a team player etc., yet when a player makes sacrafices earlier in their career to help build a team and puts big money on the back end and the organization turns around and attempts to trade/release that player to avoid paying them....I dont see nearly the outrage from fans".

This is why I was in favor of Revis, because when its time to sh*t on him...the fans dont care because they, like the organization got what they wanted out of the player already.

They're doing Cotchery so dirty right now. I bet this situation wont be continuously mentioned like Revis "holdout" is.

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SMC

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Have a clue. Can you honestly tell me a WR corps of Holmes-Plax -Mason is better than Edwards-Holmes-Cotchery.

Those stats on Cotchery arent bad considering you line up in a run first offense next to Holmes and Edwards. Mason only had Boldin to compete with. Who needs to get a clue now?

Hate to pile on here, Visa, but get your facts straight.

First, the Jets rushed 534 times while the Ravens rushed 487, that's 47 more attempts on the year, approximately 3 more rushing attempts per game.

Second, the Jets passed 525 times while Ravens passed 491 times, that's 34 more passes on the year, approximately 2 more passing attempts per game.

Thus, the Jets both slightly ran and passed more than the Ravens. Both teams, however, were about 50/50 in run/pass ratio. The Jets ran the ball only 9 more times than they passed, and the Ravens threw the ball 3 more times than they ran. So your argument that the Jets were a "run first offense" compared to the Ravens is invalid.

Third, both teams' 3rd leading receiver was NOT a WR. It was the TE for the Jets (Keller) and RB for Ravens (Rice).

Fourth, the teams' 4th leading receiver was Cotchery for Jets (41 rec/87 tar/433 yds) and Heap for Ravens (40 rec /64 tar /599 yds).

Thus, Cotchery, as the Jets' 4th option had a worse statistical year than the Ravens' 4th option in Heap.

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Vicious89x

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Hate to pile on here, Visa, but get your facts straight.

First, the Jets rushed 534 times while the Ravens rushed 487, that's 47 more attempts on the year, approximately 3 more rushing attempts per game.

Second, the Jets passed 525 times while Ravens passed 491 times, that's 34 more passes on the year, approximately 2 more passing attempts per game.

Thus, the Jets both slightly ran and passed more than the Ravens. Both teams, however, were about 50/50 in run/pass ratio. The Jets ran the ball only 9 more times than they passed, and the Ravens threw the ball 3 more times than they ran. So your argument that the Jets were a "run first offense" compared to the Ravens is invalid.

Third, both teams' 3rd leading receiver was NOT a WR. It was the TE for the Jets (Keller) and RB for Ravens (Rice).

Fourth, the teams' 4th leading receiver was Cotchery for Jets (41 rec/87 tar/433 yds) and Heap for Ravens (40 rec /64 tar /599 yds).

Thus, Cotchery, as the Jets' 4th option had a worse statistical year than the Ravens' 4th option in Heap.

And Heap can block. Advantage: Heap.

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Bleedin Green

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So our depth chart at receiver will look like THIS next year:

1. Holmes

2. ????

3. ????

4. Kerley???

W....T...F!

Oh that's assuming that Holmes' doesn't get into any trouble and gets suspended for a year.

If Holmes gets busted for another failed drug test this year, I think this board will need to get together and collectively beat the living crap out of him. That would be beyond disastrous.

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Cotch is also a multi-millionaire thanks to the Jets. Yeah it kinda sucks I guess but hard for me to shed tears from my cubical for a guy that shouldn't have to work another day in his life if he doesn't want to.

omg

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How is it irrelevant? Guys were playing violins for him and I threw in some perspective.

Guys are cut, traded, retire etc every year. I like Cotch as a player but I don't see how he's been "wronged" here. Mason is a wylie vet that will provide a nice option for Mark in the slot. It is what it is.

I think you know what I mean PAC. I agree with you on Mason but the guy is 37 we just went from 29/27/27 to 37/34/27 and the 34 year old has been out of football for 2 years. This has to worry people who know this team is on the brink of a SB. Its a heck of a gamble to take IMO

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sh4dy15

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Any other ways we can provide chaos and instability for our young QB?

Seriously! And then 4 games into the season if sanchez is looking lost out there a ton of people here are going to be calling for his head, which is complete bullsh*t! The front office did nothing to help sanchez this year, hopefully he helped himself by getting better in the offseason!

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Seriously! And then 4 games into the season if sanchez is looking lost out there a ton of people here are going to be gone for his head, which is complete bullsh*t! The front office did nothing to help sanchez this year, hopefully he helped himself by getting better in the offseason!

We need to release Keller ASAP, lest Mark get too comfortable.

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We brought back Holmes. We brought in a big RZ target who can jump out of the stadium. We brought in a wiley veteran to be in the slot. Forget about age, these are good, smart additions.

If Sanchez's play goes down this year, its because he sucks. Period. I guarantee Tom Moore is behind some of these decisions that are going on. And I trust his and Tannenbaum's judgment.

Think Cotchery can just easily recover from back surgery? Hell no. People with back problems have good days and bad. They rarely fully recover.

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Agreed. Mason isn't very good. Even in his so-called good years with Baltimore, he basically had zero rushing yards. 5 over his past three years. 5!

Just when the thread was going bad...BOOM. Doggin'd.

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