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[#27TheDominator]

speed was the buzz word like 2 years ago. Eagles didnt make it work the people that win championships are the big guys up front

 

Jacoby Jones put 14 points on the board by himself.  He's not very big.

[SenorGato]

What's so complicated about understanding Alabama is bigger and stronger than everyone else because they have a huge advantage in reqruiting? Even with every player in the NFL chopping at the bit to play for Rex and his proven ability to dominate the league offensivly with ground and pound football, you still need to fit all these guys under a salary cap. Believe it or not other teams are interested in paying for the big and strong guys also.

 

1. NFL teams don't have to recruit. They draft. They don't have to convince players to come here, they just have to pick good players. It's very subtle so you just might miss it, but there is a difference.

 

2. Marty Mornhinweg =/ Groundz and Poundz extraordinaire.

 

3. I still don't get what the salary cap has to do with this. No one has said anything about somehow getting around the salary cap. I don't know why you've brought it up twice or where it's supposed to go.

 

4. College teams are looking for big and strong guys as well. What is Alabama's advantage there? Why doesn't everyone stop them like the NFL will undoubtedly stop the Jets? I just don't get where you're going with this....

[SenorGato]

Oh yeah, the team needs more speed too fa sho.

[SayNoToDMC]

1. NFL teams don't have to recruit. They draft. They don't have to convince players to come here, they just have to pick good players. It's very subtle so you just might miss it, but there is a difference.

 

2. Marty Mornhinweg =/ Groundz and Poundz extraordinaire.

 

3. I still don't get what the salary cap has to do with this. No one has said anything about somehow getting around the salary cap. I don't know why you've brought it up twice or where it's supposed to go.

 

4. College teams are looking for big and strong guys as well. What is Alabama's advantage there? Why doesn't everyone stop them like the NFL will undoubtedly stop the Jets? I just don't get where you're going with this....

 

 

You're right, the top guys in the country aren't choosing Alabama because it's a pro style offense, has Saban as a head coach, competes in the SEC, win every year, get huge national exposure on a weekly basis and churn out pro prospects. The last four #1 reqruiting classes for Bama where probably a statistical anomaly. I'm sure these kids are choosing Tuscaloosa for it's diversity and world renowned African Studies department, not with an eye on the NFL.

Edited by SayNoToDMC, 11 February 2013 - 06:03 PM.

[jetsjetsjetss]

Jacoby Jones put 14 points on the board by himself.  He's not very big.

 

 

he got some blocks lol

 

people that allowed him to do what he did also got blocks

Edited by jetsjetsjetss, 11 February 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[#27TheDominator]

he got some blocks lol

 

people that allowed him to do what he did also got blocks

 

Sure.  Put the Jets offensive line in there or the Jets special teams in with Jacoby Jones and he doesn't score?  Of course he does and the Jets suck.  He scored because he is one of the fastest players in the NFL.  He got 10 yards behind the DB because he is fast.  Not because somebody threw a block. 

[jetsjetsjetss]

Sure.  Put the Jets offensive line in there or the Jets special teams in with Jacoby Jones and he doesn't score?  Of course he does and the Jets suck.  He scored because he is one of the fastest players in the NFL.  He got 10 yards behind the DB because he is fast.  Not because somebody threw a block. 

 

 

i actually think the jets o line is good so idk if thats a good comparison. If it was the eagles o line flacco woulda been on his back not throwing a bomb to jones

[bitonti]

if we look at the players likely available at 9, it becomes clear why defense might be the pick. 

 

5 possible OLB (Werner, Mingo, Jarvis, Moore, Jordan)

[SenorGato]

You're right, the top guys in the country aren't choosing Alabama because it's a pro style offense, has Saban as a head coach, competes in the SEC, win every year, get huge national exposure on a weekly basis and churn out pro prospects. The last four #1 reqruiting classes for Bama where probably a statistical anomaly. I'm sure these kids are choosing Tuscaloosa for it's diversity and world renowned African Studies department, not with an eye on the NFL.

I really don't get why you're trying to inform me that Alabama recruits well, or what it has to do with anything that has been said. You're not breaking any news by informing me that they recruit well and recruit well because they have success.

Edited by SenorGato, 11 February 2013 - 06:36 PM.

[pedro55]

Alabama's great defense and offense got beat up by Texas A&M and a freshman QB who is kind of like the Wilson, RG3, and Kapernick's of the world.

They almost got beat and should have been beat by a Georgia team who had an offense.       The year before they lost to LSU in a game where LSU didn't score a TD.    Yeah, wasn't that the Jets with Sanchez?   Lose games 10-9?       

 

 And by the way, the Jets have an Alabama QB who won a national championship.   How did that work out?

[Larz]

speed was the buzz word like 2 years ago. Eagles didnt make it work the people that win championships are the big guys up front

 

 

we have enough #1's invested on the line.  we need speed at OLB, RB, WR, S etc etc

[SenorGato]

Alabama's great defense and offense got beat up by Texas A&M and a freshman QB who is kind of like the Wilson, RG3, and Kapernick's of the world.

They almost got beat and should have been beat by a Georgia team who had an offense.       The year before they lost to LSU in a game where LSU didn't score a TD.    Yeah, wasn't that the Jets with Sanchez?   Lose games 10-9?       

 

 And by the way, the Jets have an Alabama QB who won a national championship.   How did that work out?

 

I don't get how you guys are coming with "college football is different from the NFL" while at the same talking to me about the success of Alabama's recruiting and the failures of Greg McElroy. The NFL doesn't recruit (except FAs, which has minimal impact on what launched this) and Greg McElroy is not a competent NFL QB but rather a competent college QB. It's just driving around their basic "great D with great secondary, big OL with a running game, and competent QB play" formula, which has worked at every level of football. You're stuck on the example/label I used/gave, Alabama, and nothing else. They do not veer from this very basic formula, and so long as they can maintain the level of talent that brings their success that formula will work. Like the Jets, they compete for that talent. Unlike the Jets, recruiting is the only route for them to acquire talent and maintain their success.

 

Nowhere have I talked about Alabama's great offense. A great offense is not a pre-req to winning. A team needs one that won't take the team out of the game like the 2011 and 2012 Jets' offenses did.

Edited by SenorGato, 11 February 2013 - 07:31 PM.

[jetsjetsjetss]

we have enough #1's invested on the line.  we need speed at OLB, RB, WR, S etc etc

 

 

yea id like olb and id like if we get a rb in 2nd. WR and S i feel are luxury picks and should be focused to get once we build a dominate line on both sides of the ball.

[SayNoToDMC]

I don't get how you guys are coming with "college football is different from the NFL" while at the same talking to me about the success of Alabama's recruiting and the failures of Greg McElroy. The NFL doesn't recruit (except FAs, which has minimal impact on what launched this) and Greg McElroy is not a competent NFL QB but rather a competent college QB. It's just driving around their basic "great D with great secondary, big OL with a running game, and competent QB play" formula, which has worked at every level of football. You're stuck on the example/label I used/gave, Alabama, and nothing else. They do not veer from this very basic formula, and so long as they can maintain the level of talent that brings their success that formula will work. Like the Jets, they compete for that talent. Unlike the Jets, recruiting is the only route for them to acquire talent and maintain their success.

Nowhere have I talked about Alabama's great offense. A great offense is not a pre-req to winning. A team needs one that won't take the team out of the game like the 2011 and 2012 Jets' offenses did.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't following. We just have to draft way better than every other team. Have an awesome line, secondary, defense, special teams. Then get a stud running back, throw a competent QB like Flacco or Kaepernick in there and we got a shot. I wish you sent in a resume before this Idzik clown got hired, you've got it all figured out. I really hope this idea of drafting better players came up in the GM search cause we should should definitely just use our 2nd rounders on a lineman you're talking about instead of Vlad Duccase next time.

Edited by SayNoToDMC, 11 February 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[SenorGato]

Sorry, I guess I wasn't following. We just have to draft way better than every other team. Have an awesome line, secondary, defense, special teams. Then get a stud running back, throw a competent QB like Flacco or Kaepernick in there and we got a shot. I wish you sent in a resume before this Idzik clown got hired, you've got it all figured out. I really hope this idea of drafting better players came up in the GM search cause we should should definitely just use our 2nd rounders on a lineman you're talking about instead of Vlad Duccase next time.

I like how this is sarcastic as if it's not true or impossible minus the "way better" part. The Jets were just there in 2010 with a QB playing borderline competent ball.

 

Ooph on the rest of it. You're sarcasming my genius after giving me a lecture on how college isn't the NFL, how college teams have to recruit, and how the Tide are successful because they are successful? Jeebus....

[T0mShane]

I like how this is sarcastic as if it's not true or impossible minus the "way better" part. The Jets were just there in 2010 with a QB playing borderline competent ball.

Ooph on the rest of it. You're sarcasming my genius after giving me a lecture on how college isn't the NFL, how college teams have to recruit, and how the Tide are successful because they are successful? Jeebus....

Tuscaloosa is a sh*thole.

[JiF]

if we look at the players likely available at 9, it becomes clear why defense might be the pick. 

 

5 possible OLB (Werner, Mingo, Jarvis, Moore, Jordan)

 

I agree.  I think the value is definitely at that position.  IMO the drop off after those prospects is significant and the difference in talent between say picks 15-45 range isnt as nearly as wide of a gap.  Of course there are going to players that slide in their and make that comment look silly but the overwhelming majority wont be that much better than the next.  

Edited by JiF, 11 February 2013 - 09:38 PM.

[Larz]

yea id like olb and id like if we get a rb in 2nd. WR and S i feel are luxury picks and should be focused to get once we build a dominate line on both sides of the ball.

 

 

OLB then RB would be sweet.  heck the jets have so many needs, the only early picks that would piss me off would be center, punter or kicker, lol

[SayNoToDMC]

Tuscaloosa is a sh*thole.

 

Not according to Trip Advisor, did you know it's the home to the Paul W. Bryant museum and the Mercedes-Benz US international visitor center and factory tour? It's where the kids want to be

 

http://www.tripadvis...sa_Alabama.html

Edited by SayNoToDMC, 11 February 2013 - 10:03 PM.

[T0mShane]

Not according to Trip Advisor, did you know it's the home to the Paul W. Bryant museum and the Mercedes-Benz US international visitor center and factory factory tour? It's where the kids want to be

http://www.tripadvis...sa_Alabama.html

If I ran a 4.2/40, I'd be tearing ass through that Benzo joint.