Report: Revis *would* get $12-$13 mil per from Bucs--financials sorted already

[T0mShane]

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000152349/

NFL.com

By Dan Hanzus

The differences between the New York Jets and Darrelle Revis always have been about money. It doesn't sound like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers would have that barrier if they manage to land the star cornerback in a trade.

Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reported Wednesday that Revis would get an average annual salary between $12 million and $13 million from the Buccaneers in a long-term contract. Sources told Mehta that Revis would agree to a contract "without much trouble."

It's been reported that Revis' agents haven't been granted permission to negotiate a trade with the Bucs, which makes you wonder how financial groundwork could be laid for an extension. It's possible the Jets have permitted contact, but that's unclear.

The biggest hurdle between the Jets and Bucs remains compensation. The Bucs reportedly are unwilling to give up their first-round pick in April's NFL Draft (13th overall). The Jets reportedly are in no rush to deal Revis before the draft and are open to a deal that provides compensation in the 2014 draft.

So, the two sides remain on the precipice of a trade, separated by one hurdle. One very steep hurdle ...

[dbatesman]

This reads like crap to me. If he'll accept $12mm, why wouldn't we just keep him?

[T0mShane]

This reads like crap to me. If he'll accept $12mm, why wouldn't we just keep him?

Honestly, that could be Idzik's leverage. Maybe he's sitting back, comfortable with the knowledge that there's not much reason to trade Revis if he's only asking $12mm per; if the Bucs want him, they're going to have to blow Idzik away with an offer.

[denden29]

No math expert but isn’t 4 years $46 million pretty close to $12 million annually?  Isn’t that what the Jets gave to Revis in 2010?

There is $3 million stuck in 2014, 15, and 16 caps but sure the team could work around that and offer another guaranteed option bonus, which could be prorated 5 years like a signing bonus, in 2015 like Revis got in 2011 when he made $25 million $18 million option bonus got prorated and a $7 million salary.

Besides a contract can be $20 million annually but the guaranteed money is what counts.  What if all the non-guaranteed money is stuck in the back?

Idzik created a pseudo-market for Revis and now has some idea of what he’ll get. 

 

[stoicsentry]

Yeah so like I said, we're going to re-sign him.

[T0mShane]

No math expert but isn’t 4 years $46 million pretty close to $12 million annually? Isn’t that what the Jets gave to Revis in 2010?

There is $3 million stuck in 2014, 15, and 16 caps but sure the team could work around that and offer another guaranteed option bonus, which could be prorated 5 years like a signing bonus, in 2015 like Revis got in 2011 when he made $25 million $18 million option bonus got prorated and a $7 million salary.

Besides a contract can be $20 million annually but the guaranteed money is what counts. What if all the non-guaranteed money is stuck in the back?

Idzik created a pseudo-market for Revis and now has some idea of what he’ll get.

I know you've been the guy who's said all along that Revis wasn't going anywhere--in your opinion, is the $12-$13 figure good news or bad news toward hammering out a deal?

[JustInFudge]

This reads like crap to me. If he'll accept $12mm, why wouldn't we just keep him?

 

This has to be bogus.  There is no way  Revis camp just set the market with a team he's not on.  These guys are as shrewd as they come.

[T0mShane]

This has to be bogus. There is no way Revis camp just set the market with a team he's not on. These guys are as shrewd as they come.

They're desperate assholes (Schwartz and Feinsod) who overplayed their hand and now need to save face. Idzik should call them laughing and offer 4 yrs/$40 mil to call their bluff.

[pointman]

Yeah so like I said, we're going to re-sign him.

I am so hoping you are right.

[denden29]

I know you've been the guy who's said all along that Revis wasn't going anywhere--in your opinion, is the $12-$13 figure good news or bad news toward hammering out a deal?

All I know is the number was said to be as high as $20 mil per not that long ago. Went to $16-18 mil, then to $12-13 mil. 

 

Look at the source first Manish (Minutia) Mehta, second the CB market flat. Why not stay in NY for $10-12 mil annually with endorsements and such if the offer is competitive? 

 

Is Revis making the same money from Nike if he's in Cleveland, probably not. There is also life after football staying with the Jets makes sense, he's going to be paid either way for his play on the field.

 

[SenorGato]

At that price you keep Revis, no question. Like I said, Los Yets were just gauging the kind of contract he would see on the FA market.

[denden29]

Trading Revis only makes sense if the contract he’d get in free agency would ruin the Jets finances under the cap if matched and since they can’t stop him from hitting free agency getting something for him made sense.

 

The argument was the resources, a boat load of draft picks and the money saved, would be spread out in a multitude of players which would make up for the loss of Revis.

 

Well if the Jets only get one draft pick and another team signs him to a reasonable deal the Jets could handle and not prevent them from fielding a competitive team the above argument goes out the window.

 

The longer he is on the team the more likely the Jets can sign him especially if they give him more money in 2013, yes they can afford this not a lot but some, after they release Tebow they’ll have over $13 million in cap space and about $8 million to use on free agents or giving more money to Revis if that would keep him in green and white long term, it’s an option. 

 

 

[flgreen]

First, the article is quoting Mehta.  Take it with a serious grain of salt.

 

Why wouldn’t Revis take a long term deal at 12-13 million a year.  If he plays well after he’s cashed his $35,000,000 check for 2 years.  Surprise……………He holds out

[SenorGato]

First, the article is quoting Mehta.  Take it with a serious grain of salt.

 

He might be familiar with Revis' thinking.

 

Why wouldn’t Revis take a long term deal at 12-13 million a year.

 

Exactly. The Jets' best player, and a top tier player in the league, appears to be signable.

[flgreen]

He might be familiar with Revis' thinking.

 

 

Exactly. The Jets' best player, and a top tier player in the league, appears to be signable.

Your slowing down man.  That took 5 mins.  

 

Cool edit.  Been talking to Bit haven't ya? 

[T0mShane]

Trading Revis only makes sense if the contract he’d get in free agency would ruin the Jets finances under the cap if matched and since they can’t stop him from hitting free agency getting something for him made sense.

The argument was the resources, a boat load of draft picks and the money saved, would be spread out in a multitude of players which would make up for the loss of Revis.

Well if the Jets only get one draft pick and another team signs him to a reasonable deal the Jets could handle and not prevent them from fielding a competitive team the above argument goes out the window.

The longer he is on the team the more likely the Jets can sign him especially if they give him more money in 2013, yes they can afford this not a lot but some, after they release Tebow they’ll have over $13 million in cap space and about $8 million to use on free agents or giving more money to Revis if that would keep him in green and white long term, it’s an option.

The fear, of course, being that some team ends up giving Patrick Peterson $15mm per in 2014?and Revis blows a gasket. Any deal that extends beyond 2 years is likely to result in a holdout, it seems, especially if he feels like he's being strangled in a down market.

[denden29]

The fear, of course, being that some team ends up giving Patrick Peterson $15mm per in 2014?and Revis blows a gasket. Any deal that extends beyond 2 years is likely to result in a holdout, it seems, especially if he feels like he's being strangled in a down market.

True holdouts always a concern with Revis but maybe Idzik has sent a message to Darrelle with the way he’s cut him out and said we’re ready to move on without you. Something which Tannenbaum should have done before and we wouldn’t be in this mess.

 

Idzik will say to a potential Revis holdout, “You can holdout from now till dooms day we’re not changing your contract.  So sit home don’t get paid and the team will

fine you the maximum amount and take every dime we can from you under the CBA forfeiture rules.  By the way have a nice day Darrelle.”

 

If you get through 2015 season before he wants to holdout, I’d sign up for it, but I believe Idzik is a no nonsense guy who feels no player is more important than the big picture, basically a new sheriff in town. 

 

[SenorGato]

I hope Mr. New Sheriff is smart enough to not hand an elite player away to a team giving him a perfectly reasonable contract.

[SayNoToDMC]

Nike would probably help make up the difference since they want NY but no income Tax in Florida is nice.

[flgreen]

Bucs GM, coach weigh in on Revis

March, 20, 2013
Mar 20

9:16

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By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com


One of the hot topics on the final day of the NFL meetings in Phoenix was -- no surprise -- Darrelle Revis.

Clearly, the Bucs want him badly, but you get the impression they've become unnerved by the Jets' deliberate approach to a potential trade. Team Revis, too, is getting antsy. His reps are trying to drive a trade because, as we told you a few days ago, they know there's a pot of gold waiting for them in Tampa -- and you'd have to be naive to think they don't know exactly how much is in it.

Bucs GM Mark Dominik, who has said nothing publicly to downplay his interest in the Jets' star cornerback, seemed a bit confused Wednesday when asked if Revis is on the market.

"I don't know if he really is, honestly," he told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "That's a tough question for me to answer. You have to get [Jets GM] John Idzik on here ... and grill him about that."

Frankly, it's surprising the Bucs appear so eager to get something done. After all, Revis is only five months removed from ACL surgery. From all indications, his rehab is progressing nicely, but there's still risk for the Bucs, especially when you're talking about a huge contract and significant trade compensation.

Coach Greg Schiano, speaking to reporters at the meetings, played it coy when asked about his interest in Revis. The former Rutgers coach related an anecdote from an old game against Pitt, when Ray Rice broke a 60-yard run.

"And the guy who tracked him down was ... was ... I'm not even allowed to say his name," said Schiano, alluding to the NFL's tampering rule.

Funny.

Prediction: This trade will get done eventually because there's motivation on both sides. The Bucs want Revis. The Jets, no matter what they say, want to trade him for draft picks. Revis? He wants a long-term contract and the Bucs are willing to pay it. In the meantime, the Jets will make them sweat.

[KSJets]

This reads like crap to me. If he'll accept $12mm, why wouldn't we just keep him?

 

It reads like crap because they're basing it off of what that POS Mehta is saying.

[Integrity28]

Bucs GM, coach weigh in on Revis

March, 20, 2013

Mar 20

9:16

PM ET

By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com

One of the hot topics on the final day of the NFL meetings in Phoenix was -- no surprise -- Darrelle Revis.

Clearly, the Bucs want him badly, but you get the impression they've become unnerved by the Jets' deliberate approach to a potential trade. Team Revis, too, is getting antsy. His reps are trying to drive a trade because, as we told you a few days ago, they know there's a pot of gold waiting for them in Tampa -- and you'd have to be naive to think they don't know exactly how much is in it.

Bucs GM Mark Dominik, who has said nothing publicly to downplay his interest in the Jets' star cornerback, seemed a bit confused Wednesday when asked if Revis is on the market.

"I don't know if he really is, honestly," he told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "That's a tough question for me to answer. You have to get [Jets GM] John Idzik on here ... and grill him about that."

Frankly, it's surprising the Bucs appear so eager to get something done. After all, Revis is only five months removed from ACL surgery. From all indications, his rehab is progressing nicely, but there's still risk for the Bucs, especially when you're talking about a huge contract and significant trade compensation.

Coach Greg Schiano, speaking to reporters at the meetings, played it coy when asked about his interest in Revis. The former Rutgers coach related an anecdote from an old game against Pitt, when Ray Rice broke a 60-yard run.

"And the guy who tracked him down was ... was ... I'm not even allowed to say his name," said Schiano, alluding to the NFL's tampering rule.

Funny.

Prediction: This trade will get done eventually because there's motivation on both sides. The Bucs want Revis. The Jets, no matter what they say, want to trade him for draft picks. Revis? He wants a long-term contract and the Bucs are willing to pay it. In the meantime, the Jets will make them sweat.

 

 

Tampa goons sound butthurt, lol

[stoicsentry]

"I don't know if he really is, honestly," he told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "That's a tough question for me to answer. You have to get [Jets GM] John Idzik on here ... and grill him about that."

 

Which Cimini somehow translates to mean,

 

Frankly, it's surprising the Bucs appear so eager to get something done.

 

Of course, these are the same people that once told us the Jets were eager to move Revis, and now they tell us they're going to take their sweet time. LOL.

[pedro55]

  We don't know anything until it actually happens.  If Revis and his agents haven't talked to anybody, how does anybody know what he wants. The only things we've heard are Revis being a bit shocked and not all that happy the Jets have been shopping him.  They claim they haven't, but who knows how true that is.       

 

 I think Idzik either looks like a genius or an idiot after all of this.   He's really playing his hand and leverage without knowing Revis at all.  There are a lot of players who would feel slighted and if the Bucs are offering 12-13 Million now,  who is to say they wouldn't next offseason?   Who is to say another team doesn't jump for his services once he is a free agent and proved he's healthy.   Most teams aren't going to give up a ton of picks and hope to sign some guy long term not knowing if he's really healthy or not.    Next March, different ball game.    

 

 So if Revis feels the jets are just trying to lowball him or he feels like the jets stink and have no future and if he is pissed off that Rex gets fired, why would he resign with them next year if other teams can offer more?     If the Bucs or 49ers or some other team are playoff teams this year and the jets are 4-12 with Revis,  and he's getting offers of 12-13 million from most teams, including the jets,   why would he come back to a team who fired the coach he seems to love?    Unless the Jets offer more than everybody else, and then they are back into that overpaid category.

 

  This entire Revis situation is playing a hand you hope doesn't backfire on you.   If they wanted to extend him without all this press and drama,  do it long before there are trade rumors.   They did it with Sanchez after Manning rumors.  They were stupid with that contract, but Revis isn't Sanchez.  And there is no Manning.   So what leverage do they really have at this point besides hoping Revis doesn't get pissed off that they are essentially treating him like a guy they don't want.

[denden29]

  This entire Revis situation is playing a hand you hope doesn't backfire on you.   If they wanted to extend him without all this press and drama,  do it long before there are trade rumors.   They did it with Sanchez after Manning rumors.  They were stupid with that contract, but Revis isn't Sanchez.  And there is no Manning.   So what leverage do they really have at this point besides hoping Revis doesn't get pissed off that they are essentially treating him like a guy they don't want.

The reason Sanchez was given a new deal was for salary cap relief, nothing else. It was not given as make-up money for talking to Peyton Manning that is a media fallacy.

 

So Manning had Zero to do with Sanchez getting the terrible contract he got, Tannenbaum needed salary cap relief panicked and choose this way to get it and it ultimately got him fired along with some other stuff.  

 

[JetsFanInDenver]

How many CB's received a $10 mill plus deal this off season. Anyone close ? This sounds like Idzik has got Revis where he wants him!

[Gastineau Lives]

I wonder if anyone else jumps into the fray knowing this is what he will settle for.

[jetsjetsjetss]

I wonder if anyone else jumps into the fray knowing this is what he will settle for.

 

yea tbh this could start a bidding war. I dont think the main concern is picks but whether there picks will be used to lock him up for realistically the rest of his career. 12m aint awful so i could see the 49ers or denver getting into it

[pedro55]

How many CB's received a $10 mill plus deal this off season. Anyone close ? This sounds like Idzik has got Revis where he wants him!

 

  The problem is a healthy Revis is better than the rest of the CBs.   And this season isn't next season.  And the Bucs seemed to tell the world that they will pay him $12-13 million.    That puts it back in the Jets court.    They either want to pay Revis 12-13 Million or want to trade him.    Waiting out for the better deal makes sense, waiting till 2014 is taking a huge risk that Revis just walks. And walks fast.     I doubt the Jets are going to pay Revis more than any other team.  They could have done that this offseason before any of the rumors.

 

  Remember this was the 'We will re-look at Revis's contract in 2013" conversation.  It's 2013, and like how Revis has done things or not, the Jets are the ones not talking to him.  They are the ones who seem they want to trade him, even if they deny it.   Any way you take it, Revis isn't happy and has said it himself in not so many ways,  and as the season progresses and he's still here, an unhappy player on a bad team who might fire the head coach who loves him at the end of the year isn't a good omen.    If he can get the same $$$ from other teams,  it's highly unlikely he's coming back to the Jets after the way the new GM and Woody treated him.     And it could just be some minor slight, but players always run with that.  

[pedro55]

yea tbh this could start a bidding war. I dont think the main concern is picks but whether there picks will be used to lock him up for realistically the rest of his career. 12m aint awful so i could see the 49ers or denver getting into it

 

  I don't think Denver has any money left after they sign a Dwight, Jon, or Elvis(again) on top of everybody else this offseason.    

The 49ers gave up a 6th round pick for a WR who scored a TD and had over 100 yards receiving against them in a Super Bowl.

What makes you think they are suddenly going to give up a bunch of picks for Revis?

[stoicsentry]

Clearly, the Bucs want him badly, but you get the impression they've

become unnerved by the Jets' deliberate approach to a potential trade.

Team Revis, too, is getting antsy. His reps are trying to drive a trade

because, as we told you a few days ago, they know there's a pot of gold

waiting for them in Tampa -- and you'd have to be naive to think they

don't know exactly how much is in it.

 

As Pedro noted, how is it the media assumes that Revis' agents know what the Bucs will pay, while at the same time they insist that the Bucs haven't spoken to Revis' agents?

[The Crusher]

Honestly, that could be Idzik's leverage. Maybe he's sitting back, comfortable with the knowledge that there's not much reason to trade Revis if he's only asking $12mm per; if the Bucs want him, they're going to have to blow Idzik away with an offer.

 

 

Yep.  "Leverage REACTIVATED."

[Gastineau Lives]

First, the article is quoting Mehta.  Take it with a serious grain of salt.

 

Why wouldn’t Revis take a long term deal at 12-13 million a year.  If he plays well after he’s cashed his $35,000,000 check for 2 years.  Surprise……………He holds out

No way would he do that. Too much integrity. He did it with 32 million, yeah. But 35 seems heinous, even for him.

[Sperm Edwards]

Wait, I was scolded that these leaks to the media are not to be believed. That unless it's a direct quote from Revis that no credence should be paid to the numbers whatsoever.  Now there's a new leak - not from Revis, but from the one reporter who is more full of sh*t than any other bar none - and it's accepted.

 

If we can get him for around $12M - and construct the language such that he can't hold out without serious penalty again - I would rather keep him.  If the new attitude with the Jets is that no CB on earth is worth even $10M then so be it.  I disagree, but we'll see if that's the new philosophy with Idzik or if it's just personal with Woody against Revis.  I just hope we don't see them extend/redo Cromartie (who will be 2 years older than Revis is this year) after this season at $10M/year after turning down a $12-13M/year deal for Revis.  Not over the #13 pick in a supposedly mediocre round 1 draft class.

 

But keep in mind this rumor that the Bucs would pay him $12-13M might be coming from the Jets not the Bucs.  It's not like Mehta has connections and access to TB's front office that TB's own beat-writers don't have, so it seems likely that this leak comes from the Jets not TB.  Well the Jets have an interest in tempering Revis's demands.  Either (1) it's being planted by the Jets to show Revis he might as well take a deal in that range from the Jets with TB refusing to part with this year's #1 pick for him; either take a similar deal from the Jets or play out this year at $6M and risk re-injury before a long-term deal is in place (after which he'll never get one so rich); or (2) it's being planted by the Jets to lower Revis's demands so he'll be attractive to more suitors than just Tampa.  I guess it could also be (3) coming from the Revis camp if Revis is interested in that size deal from the Jets (in which case it's really just Revis publishing his number without making it an opening bid he'd have to come down from).

 

I don't know where Mehta's source is coming from.  But among Tampa, the Jets, or Revis, the least likely source would seem to be Tampa.  Of the 3, they're the source with the least to gain from such a leak anyway.

[T0mShane]

Wait, I was scolded that these leaks to the media are not to be believed. That unless it's a direct quote from Revis that no credence should be paid to the numbers whatsoever. Now there's a new leak - not from Revis, but from the one reporter who is more full of sh*t than any other bar none - and it's accepted.

If we can get him for around $12M - and construct the language such that he can't hold out without serious penalty again - I would rather keep him. If the new attitude with the Jets is that no CB on earth is worth even $10M then so be it. I disagree, but we'll see if that's the new philosophy with Idzik or if it's just personal with Woody against Revis. I just hope we don't see them extend/redo Cromartie (who will be 2 years older than Revis is this year) after this season at $10M/year after turning down a $12-13M/year deal for Revis. Not over the #13 pick in a supposedly mediocre round 1 draft class.

But keep in mind this rumor that the Bucs would pay him $12-13M might be coming from the Jets not the Bucs. It's not like Mehta has connections and access to TB's front office that TB's own beat-writers don't have, so it seems likely that this leak comes from the Jets not TB. Well the Jets have an interest in tempering Revis's demands. Either (1) it's being planted by the Jets to show Revis he might as well take a deal in that range from the Jets with TB refusing to part with this year's #1 pick for him; either take a similar deal from the Jets or play out this year at $6M and risk re-injury before a long-term deal is in place (after which he'll never get one so rich); or (2) it's being planted by the Jets to lower Revis's demands so he'll be attractive to more suitors than just Tampa. I guess it could also be (3) coming from the Revis camp if Revis is interested in that size deal from the Jets (in which case it's really just Revis publishing his number without making it an opening bid he'd have to come down from).

I don't know where Mehta's source is coming from. But among Tampa, the Jets, or Revis, the least likely source would seem to be Tampa. Of the 3, they're the source with the least to gain from such a leak anyway.

I think it's pretty obvious Mehta's source is Schwartz and Feinsod, no?