Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 This talk of Rex being the great defensive mind is getting a bit old as in 4 years too old. While its obvious we have a pretty bad offense and have had one for many years now this defense is far from great and Rex is far from a great defensive mind. His defenses have been getting worse every year he's been here they have always had a problem stopping the better offenses on third and long and have a propensity of giving up long game changing drives at the most inopportune times. The biggest problem of all is the lack of turnovers this defense creates. Turnovers are what win games and lose games in the NFL the proof is overwhelming yet Rex's defenses never have been known (at least with the Jets) to create them. The Ravens did when Rex coached them but lets face it a 5 year old could have coached that defense and succeeded. I see that defense as being more of a product of Marvin Lewis than Rex Ryan since it was his defenses that were truly dominating and History making not Rex's If you look at some of the great defenses of the past 15 years ...The Ravens in 2000 the Buc's The Patriots even the Giants when they turned it on with their 2 SB runs all dominated opposing offenses created turnovers and always seemed to make the big stops when needed .The Jets always seem to give up the big 90 yard drives with multiple 3rd and longs to boot. Is this a great defense or are offenses adapting and steamrolling us in the second half ? Sure you can blame the offense to some extent for putting the defense in bad positions and for tiring them out but hey the Ravens and Buc's didn't seem to have that issue with poor offenses they simply stopped everyone and that's what I call a great defense. IMO the only great defense Rex ever fielded was the 2009 defense and the 2010 defense (during the playoffs) after that its been all down hill. Even the 2010 Defense got totally steamrolled in the AFCCG when the Steelers and Mendenhall ran the ball down our throats and in that same game with 2 minutes left we failed to get the big stop on 3rd and long in the midst of a comeback. Rex's defense is about numbers and you can bet he will let you know how his team is Number one in this category and number one in that one but he wont dare mention the 90 yard drives that break our backs pretty much every week. Yep Rex will certainly let ya know about the numbers, in the next presser maybe Rex can explain the numbers that actually win and lose games and maybe he can tell us why this defense constantly gets caught with 12 men on the field and seems so disorganized at times. You can only disguise the pass rush so much before teams start to adapt and that's when you see the true Rex Ryan defense that usually has no answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Its totally reasonable to compare the Jets 2014 Defense to the great D's in history like the Ravens and the Bucs, because just like those teams, the Jets have HOF'ers at every level of their Defense. I think its safe to say, Rex knows nothing about Defense, or Football for that matter and its amazing that he's made a career for himself in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Its totally reasonable to compare the Jets 2014 Defense to the great D's in history like the Ravens and the Bucs, because just like those teams, the Jets have HOF'ers at every level of their Defense. I think its safe to say, Rex knows nothing about Defense, or Football for that matter and its amazing that he's made a career for himself in the business. The comparison was just a small part of the over all post JIF ..... I didn't want to be unfair just pointing out what great defenses actually do and in that respect we don't have a great defense. This defense creates the least amount of turnovers in the NFL and for a pressure defense that's just not acceptable . While the offense never puts our defense in a good position when will our defense create a turnover to put the offense in a good position ? Creating turnovers can be taught some coaches push harder than others they have stated as much I wonder what the Jets coaches are teaching when all of our corners NEVER look back for the football and none of our linebacker ever seem to go and strip the ball out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The comparison was just a small part of the over all post JIF ..... I didn't want to be unfair just pointing out what great defenses actually do and in that respect we don't have a great defense. This defense creates the least amount of turnovers in the NFL and for a pressure defense that's just not acceptable . While the offense never puts our defense in a good position when will our defense create a turnover to put the offense in a good position ? Creating turnovers can be taught some coaches push harder than others they have stated as much I wonder what the Jets coaches are teaching when all of our corners NEVER look back for the football and none of our linebacker ever seem to go and strip the ball out. Turnovers were an emphasis all offseason. There were multiple articles and interviews floating around that Thurman and Rex put a huge emphasis on creating turnovers because they knew it was an issue. Its hard to create turnovers when you're starting a S at CB who's never played the position before, a UDFA who's probably a #4/5 on most teams and your nickel CB is known for not being able to get his head around in Kyle Wilson. Then you have a safety in Landry who's not known for his coverage skills, instead his presence at the LOS and they're starting a rookie S who is clearly feeling the rookie woes right now. All that said, they've dropped 2 easy pick six types and they had another INT called back in the Green Bay game. They should have had a fumble 6 vs the Bears but the stupid ref called the play dead. They also had a forced fumble that was kicked 30 feet in the air land perfectly in QB's hands like a fair catch. All that said, they should be creating more turnovers but when your secondary sucks...its challenging and while everything falls back on coaching, I'm not sure what you expect. They dont have a secondary that can put themselves in position to make those plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 you realize now this never ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 This talk of Rex being the great defensive mind is getting a bit old as in 4 years too old. While its obvious we have a pretty bad offense and have had one for many years now this defense is far from great and Rex is far from a great defensive mind. His defenses have been getting worse every year he's been here they have always had a problem stopping the better offenses on third and long and have a propensity of giving up long game changing drives at the most inopportune times. The biggest problem of all is the lack of turnovers this defense creates. Turnovers are what win games and lose games in the NFL the proof is overwhelming yet Rex's defenses never have been known (at least with the Jets) to create them. The Ravens did when Rex coached them but lets face it a 5 year old could have coached that defense and succeeded. I see that defense as being more of a product of Marvin Lewis than Rex Ryan since it was his defenses that were truly dominating and History making not Rex's If you look at some of the great defenses of the past 15 years ...The Ravens in 2000 the Buc's The Patriots even the Giants when they turned it on with their 2 SB runs all dominated opposing offenses created turnovers and always seemed to make the big stops when needed .The Jets always seem to give up the big 90 yard drives with multiple 3rd and longs to boot. Is this a great defense or are offenses adapting and steamrolling us in the second half ? Sure you can blame the offense to some extent for putting the defense in bad positions and for tiring them out but hey the Ravens and Buc's didn't seem to have that issue with poor offenses they simply stopped everyone and that's what I call a great defense. IMO the only great defense Rex ever fielded was the 2009 defense and the 2010 defense (during the playoffs) after that its been all down hill. Even the 2010 Defense got totally steamrolled in the AFCCG when the Steelers and Mendenhall ran the ball down our throats and in that same game with 2 minutes left we failed to get the big stop on 3rd and long in the midst of a comeback. Rex's defense is about numbers and you can bet he will let you know how his team is Number one in this category and number one in that one but he wont dare mention the 90 yard drives that break our backs pretty much every week. Yep Rex will certainly let ya know about the numbers, in the next presser maybe Rex can explain the numbers that actually win and lose games and maybe he can tell us why this defense constantly gets caught with 12 men on the field and seems so disorganized at times. You can only disguise the pass rush so much before teams start to adapt and that's when you see the true Rex Ryan defense that usually has no answer One big reason Rex's defenses are so good in the yards allowed category is because no one fears the Jets offense so they usually come out with a very conservative gameplan. In the rare occasions the Jets offense steps up to the challenge and makes a game of it, the opposing team takes more chances near the end of the game and exposes Rex's defense for what it is. Yes I am giving the offense credit for the defense lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 One big reason Rex's defenses are so good in the yards allowed category is because no one fears the Jets offense so they usually come out with a very conservative gameplan. In the rare occasions the Jets offense steps up to the challenge and makes a game of it, the opposing team takes more chances near the end of the game and exposes Rex's defense for what it is. Yes I am giving the offense credit for the defense lol. I think this is a great point. Opposing teams have come to know that if they play conservatively and take care of the ball, they will probably beat us. Since the beginning of the 2011 season, we are 4-26 when we lose the turnover battle and 12-1 when we win the turnover battle. Play conservative on offense, don't make mistakes and you will probably beat the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think this is a great point. Opposing teams have come to know that if they play conservatively and take care of the ball, they will probably beat us. Since the beginning of the 2011 season, we are 4-26 when we lose the turnover battle and 12-1 when we win the turnover battle. Play conservative on offense, don't make mistakes and you will probably beat the Jets. Hang in there till their QB eventually spots us some points and then we go for the jugular! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think this is a great point. Opposing teams have come to know that if they play conservatively and take care of the ball, they will probably beat us. Since the beginning of the 2011 season, we are 4-26 when we lose the turnover battle and 12-1 when we win the turnover battle. Play conservative on offense, don't make mistakes and you will probably beat the Jets. Or more accurately, the Jets will probably beat themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Or more accurately, the Jets will probably beat themselves. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The secondary is one of the least talented out there. It's truly horrendous. Rex has shown what he can do with talent - But with A converted safety, a very rookie and two career JAG's (which is kind). A pretty slow LB core on top of that. While Rex may have something to do with those players being on the roster (How much we don't know) I still doubt it was his doing to hold off on investing in some proven talent in that position. He's doing very well with that he has IMO, on that side of the ball that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 the defense actually did have a fumble returned for a TD that the refs incorrectly blew dead. That happened, it was Demario Davis and it should have made the score 20-17 Jets over Bears going into halftime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Its totally reasonable to compare the Jets 2014 Defense to the great D's in history like the Ravens and the Bucs, because just like those teams, the Jets have HOF'ers at every level of their Defense. I think its safe to say, Rex knows nothing about Defense, or Football for that matter and its amazing that he's made a career for himself in the business. Especially considering the major role he played in shaping one of the legendary defenses mentioned in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I hate Jet fans. Jesus Christ get a grip. Our hole in the secondary is the one way teams are winning against us. There is nothing Rex can do about physical ability, he can only coach them up. Which i'd say he's done pretty well considering the CBs we have. Against some of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, Rex has actually worked enough schemes to make the QBs uncomfortable, and that's why we've been in every single game we've played. Believe it or not, it's our defense that has kept us in games. Watch the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 This is why I hate Jets fans too. The ability of Rex to run a defense is not in question. Whether that provides enough value to overcome his drawbacks is. The idea that Rex can't run a D is silly, especially from a guy citing the 2011 Giants. That D was worse than any Rex has ever been associated with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If only the Jets didn't whiff on 2 first round CBs. That's the issue with the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Rex Ryan is a mediocre overall Head Coach and also an overrated defensive mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You know the old saying about pornography...it's hard to describe but you know it when you see it. I think the same theory applies to our defense and Rex as our HC. There's so many opinions, arguments, cases made one way or the other, etc. However, you know a great defense and a great HC when you see it. Rex and our defense do not fit the bill. Time to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 This is why I hate Jets fans too. The ability of Rex to run a defense is not in question. Whether that provides enough value to overcome his drawbacks is. The idea that Rex can't run a D is silly, especially from a guy citing the 2011 Giants. That D was worse than any Rex has ever been associated with. Your the one proposing the idea that I somehow said Rex cant run a D that's ridiculous and extreme. I hate when Jets fans take a small tidbit of what is actually being said and turn it into what ever the Fucvk they want claiming I said Rex cant coach a D. What Im saying is Rex is not the defensive genius people make him out to be. As many victories as he's had vs guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady he's had just as many gaffs. Stop making up your own scenarios . if you don't see that part of Rex's problem is in his disorganized mess of a system then you will never see it and to be honest I think losing Pettine hurt in a lot of ways ...Not from a scheme perspective but trying to keep Rex in order . I guess you will recognize that when Pettine starts to turn that system around in Cleveland. When I cited the Giants you know damn well it was about them turning it on in the playoffs and totally destroying QB's without that D line that team never even sniffs those 2 SB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 If only the Jets didn't whiff on 2 first round CBs. That's the issue with the secondary. Its always "if Only" when it comes to the Jets ...Its been "if Only" for the last 45 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 I hate Jet fans. Jesus Christ get a grip. Our hole in the secondary is the one way teams are winning against us. There is nothing Rex can do about physical ability, he can only coach them up. Which i'd say he's done pretty well considering the CBs we have. Against some of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, Rex has actually worked enough schemes to make the QBs uncomfortable, and that's why we've been in every single game we've played. Believe it or not, it's our defense that has kept us in games. Watch the games. Due to Rex's pressure schemes no matter who is QB'ing rex forces them to change their scheme and use the short quick passing game. problem is and it has been for years is that once a team figures out the protections Rex's defense suddenly becomes very ordinary and this is not just this season its every season. Oh and yeah I watch the games not sure what your watching tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Especially considering the major role he played in shaping one of the legendary defenses mentioned in the OP. yeah that was Marvin Lewis' Defense not Rex's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 you realize now this never ends BOOM !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 One big reason Rex's defenses are so good in the yards allowed category is because no one fears the Jets offense so they usually come out with a very conservative gameplan. In the rare occasions the Jets offense steps up to the challenge and makes a game of it, the opposing team takes more chances near the end of the game and exposes Rex's defense for what it is. Yes I am giving the offense credit for the defense lol. pretty much nailed it with this post jgb ... Do you watch the games ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Your the one proposing the idea that I somehow said Rex cant run a D that's ridiculous and extreme. I hate when Jets fans take a small tidbit of what is actually being said and turn it into what ever the Fucvk they want claiming I said Rex cant coach a D. What Im saying is Rex is not the defensive genius people make him out to be. As many victories as he's had vs guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady he's had just as many gaffs. Stop making up your own scenarios . if you don't see that part of Rex's problem is in his disorganized mess of a system then you will never see it and to be honest I think losing Pettine hurt in a lot of ways ...Not from a scheme perspective but trying to keep Rex in order . I guess you will recognize that when Pettine starts to turn that system around in Cleveland. When I cited the Giants you know damn well it was about them turning it on in the playoffs and totally destroying QB's without that D line that team never even sniffs those 2 SB's He is and the Giants defense sucked in 2011, but hey I am the one with blinders on. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think this is a great point. Opposing teams have come to know that if they play conservatively and take care of the ball, they will probably beat us. Since the beginning of the 2011 season, we are 4-26 when we lose the turnover battle and 12-1 when we win the turnover battle. Play conservative on offense, don't make mistakes and you will probably beat the Jets. That's sad, because it also shows we have won the turnover battle 13 out of 43 games, not even a third of the time. I do think Rex can coach, but the were last in turnovers last year, last this year. The defensive coaches have to take some responsibilty for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 One big reason Rex's defenses are so good in the yards allowed category is because no one fears the Jets offense so they usually come out with a very conservative gameplan. In the rare occasions the Jets offense steps up to the challenge and makes a game of it, the opposing team takes more chances near the end of the game and exposes Rex's defense for what it is. Yes I am giving the offense credit for the defense lol. This probably why the Jets lead the league in sacks right now, too, because no one ever throws on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 This probably why the Jets lead the league in sacks right now, too, because no one ever throws on them. 228 and over 2 TDs a game through the air. My head is spinning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 This probably why the Jets lead the league in sacks right now, too, because no one ever throws on them. Well that's the tricky thing with a general statement, it is not always accurate over short timeframes. Some people win at Roulette in a weekend in Las Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That's sad, because it also shows we have won the turnover battle 13 out of 43 games, not even a third of the time. I do think Rex can coach, but the were last in turnovers last year, last this year. The defensive coaches have to take some responsibilty for that. Actually the turnover numbers are worse than that when you factor in the 9 games where turnover margin is 0. Jets have only won the turnover battle 13 times in their last 52 games. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You know the old saying about pornography...it's hard to describe but you know it when you see it. I think the same theory applies to our defense and Rex as our HC. There's so many opinions, arguments, cases made one way or the other, etc. However, you know a great defense and a great HC when you see it. Rex and our defense do not fit the bill. Time to go. It's hard to describe porno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Due to Rex's pressure schemes no matter who is QB'ing rex forces them to change their scheme and use the short quick passing game. problem is and it has been for years is that once a team figures out the protections Rex's defense suddenly becomes very ordinary and this is not just this season its every season. Oh and yeah I watch the games not sure what your watching tho Every season?? Or do you mean 4 games this year and last year. Before that, teams have never necessarily 'figured out' rex's defensive scheme. These past two seasons have been different because we didn't have a corner to defend the short passes. And I'll take a short 5 yard pass over a 65 yard touchdown every time. That's all offenses have against us. I don't recall a rex ryan defense EVER being 'ordinary'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's nice that teams finally figured out the protections when the Jets are leading in sacks and QB hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Forcing David Harris to cover slot receivers pretty much solidifies Rex is lost. We could easily set the record for least amount of interceptions in a season if we continue to play defense like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Especially considering the major role he played in shaping one of the legendary defenses mentioned in the OP. Exactly what role did he play? Marvin Lewis was the genius behind that great defense. Rex was Billick's donut boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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