j4jets Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 18 hours ago, Smashmouth said: I'm sick and tired of reading how the Jets are garbage and totally devoid of talent. We are in the first year of an all out rebuild and with that being said We have a nice young secondary with 2 possible long term safeties that can disrupt offenses for years to come. We have some young corners who could very well pan out. We have a good Group of WR's that are all young and hungry to get playing time.And its a very well rounded group. We have 2 young TE's and we have a decent O line Not great but certainly not horrid. What I think we currently lack is LB's a Stud RB and I mean a real RB who can make defense crumble like a Elliot or a Bell or a Johnson. And of course we have a question mark at QB. Now if a good portion of our young players finally step up and show promise and we one of the highly touted QB's in next years draft with 80 mil + to spend why in the hell are we so down and out on where we currently stand ? Because the Idiot media is stating the obvious on what we should expect this upcoming season ? I say FCUK the Media we have all seen teams turn it around rather qucikly in todays NFL and there is no reason we can't as well. If we get one of those QB's next year OR if by some miracle Hackenberg turns on a light with all his talent this team is going to be in pretty damn good shape. There is only one single thing that scares me at this stage and that's Todd Bowles . Im fine with Macc who now seems to have the blessing of our Idiot owner to build a real football team and yes I'm 100 percent fine with the 2 safeties we drafted. Browns say hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Mm hmm. The fact remains that he walked into the most restrictive cap situation in the league. Mm hmm. The fact remains that he left with among the worst rosters in the league. His drafting was beyond awful, and he passed on 3 legitimate starting QB's. Its pretty hard to defend, yet somehow, you do. Kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Mm hmm. The fact remains that he walked into the most restrictive cap situation in the league. No, he didn't. He had an easy out and executed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 15 hours ago, Jet Nut said: The Dolphins? Who cares? All I care about is the demise of the Dolphins. They will have a big test this year, let see how Tannehill reacts after his knee injury. I think Gase had a good first year and is good with his QB's. Let's see how they do with a tougher schedule, as last year they only beat 2 or 3 teams over .500. Fu*ck the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. This isnt year 1 of a rebuild, it's year 3 of a rebuild and the team is much worse today than it was 3 years ago. The Jets have mediocre talent in all the non-premium positions and that's where they put the focus of the rebuild. I too am super excited about the chances of having the ever so important super safety tandem but who the **** knows how good they're going to be...does Adams live up to the 6th overall pick? Does Maye make you forget all the talent at premium positions the Jets passed on when they selected him? Are the 2 rookie WR's even worthy of playing in the NFL? We dont have those answers but looking at what Big Mac has done so far, it's very fair to think they'll all disappoint. As of right now, the Jets are putting their faith in 2 7th round pick WR's, a UDFA and 2 rookies with an injury history and they're 3rd and 4th round picks. That's typically not a recipe for success but we'll see. The DL is a mismatch and I have zero faith in the coaching staff figuring it out. They have stiffs for pass rushers. Darron Lee is a spectator. They have nothing at CB but hope and 1 year rent vet who has a history of sucking. The OL is meh. Matt Forte is 75. Bilal Powell is the model of consistency and a good all around player...but there is nothing on either fronts that you can point to the future and be happy about. And then there's that kind of important position called a Quarterback and that whole situation is cluster **** of sh*t. So yeah, it's pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, slats said: No, he didn't. He had an easy out and executed it. Hi, I'm slats. I now engage in fact-free, revisionist Mehta-parroting. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/8/3964678/2013-nfl-salary-cap-situations-room-space-jets-cowboys-saints-colts-ravens-seahawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, T0mShane said: In two years, Idzik took the worst cap situation in the league and turned it into the best cap situation in the league, all the while being opposed by a cockroach head coach and his sycophants in the media. And betting on Geno in round two was a thousand times more defensible than drafting Hack in round two. ...and then Idzick completely $hit the bed with 12 draft picks. The Jets won the salary cap Super Bowl though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Green DNA said: ...and then Idzick completely $hit the bed with 12 draft picks. The Jets won the salary cap Super Bowl though. Also true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I'm sick and tired of reading how the Jets are garbage and totally devoid of talent. We are in the first year of an all out rebuild and with that being said We have a nice young secondary with 2 possible long term safeties that can disrupt offenses for years to come. We have some young corners who could very well pan out. We have a good Group of WR's that are all young and hungry to get playing time.And its a very well rounded group. We have 2 young TE's and we have a decent O line Not great but certainly not horrid. What I think we currently lack is LB's a Stud RB and I mean a real RB who can make defense crumble like a Elliot or a Bell or a Johnson. And of course we have a question mark at QB. Now if a good portion of our young players finally step up and show promise and we one of the highly touted QB's in next years draft with 80 mil + to spend why in the hell are we so down and out on where we currently stand ? Because the Idiot media is stating the obvious on what we should expect this upcoming season ? I say FCUK the Media we have all seen teams turn it around rather qucikly in todays NFL and there is no reason we can't as well. If we get one of those QB's next year OR if by some miracle Hackenberg turns on a light with all his talent this team is going to be in pretty damn good shape. There is only one single thing that scares me at this stage and that's Todd Bowles . Im fine with Macc who now seems to have the blessing of our Idiot owner to build a real football team and yes I'm 100 percent fine with the 2 safeties we drafted. What? Over? Did you say "over?" Nothing is over until we we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!!Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: Hi, I'm slats. I now engage in fact-free, revisionist Mehta-parroting. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/8/3964678/2013-nfl-salary-cap-situations-room-space-jets-cowboys-saints-colts-ravens-seahawks Not in the mood to be trolled over one of the worst executives in NFL history right now. No matter what the acclaimed SBN may have had to say at the time, any casual fan with access to Overthecap.com could've made the same moves and probably performed more coherently at a press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 15 hours ago, peebag said: To the OP - come back and say this about week 8 of the upcoming 2017 season. I'd like to get your thoughts then. It's a youf movement Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Smashmouth said: that's about the worth of what you contribute after reading most of you're posts I know we should be happy about what will be our 4th 4-12 season in less than 12 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, slats said: Not in the mood to be trolled over one of the worst executives in NFL history right now. No matter what the acclaimed SBN may have had to say at the time, any casual fan with access to Overthecap.com could've made the same moves and probably performed more coherently at a press conference. $18 mil in dead cap space, 95% of his draft picks suck. Signing 40 year old crappy starting qb Clearly Macc knows what he's doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, slats said: Not in the mood to be trolled over one of the worst executives in NFL history right now. No matter what the acclaimed SBN may have had to say at the time, any casual fan with access to Overthecap.com could've made the same moves and probably performed more coherently at a press conference. This is a particularly odd tack to take at the moment, given the fact that Maccagnan's entire tenure here is basically what you would happen if you handed the reins to the average yutz from the upper deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 18 hours ago, munchmemory said: The Jets are the Knicks of the NFL. Both teams have talent levels akin to second division soccer in Latvia. yup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, NoBowles said: Mm hmm. The fact remains that he left with among the worst rosters in the league. His drafting was beyond awful, and he passed on 3 legitimate starting QB's. Its pretty hard to defend, yet somehow, you do. Kudos. All of these things can be simultaneously true about Idzik: 1. He never should have been hired. 2. The only reason he got the job was because it was so toxic that we were forced to interview bottom-of-the-barrel candidates. 3. Rex himself was so toxic to GM candidates that he couldn't even get another job without trying to directly bamboozle owners, circumventing team management. Arthur Blank faced a front office mutiny for even entertaining the idea and was bailed out by his mother's death, after which Rex and his agent snuck around Doug Whaley's back by flying to Florida to trick the Pegulas into giving him the Bills job. 4. Idzik's draft record was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: All of these things can be simultaneously true about Idzik: 1. He never should have been hired. 2. The only reason he got the job was because it was so toxic that we were forced to interview bottom-of-the-barrel candidates. 3. Rex himself was so toxic to GM candidates that he couldn't even get another job without trying to directly bamboozle owners, circumventing team management. Arthur Blank faced a front office mutiny for even entertaining the idea and was bailed out by his mother's death, after which Rex and his agent snuck around Doug Whaley's back by flying to Florida to trick the Pegulas into giving him the Bills job. 4. Idzik's draft record was terrible. Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: All of these things can be simultaneously true about Idzik: 1. He never should have been hired. 2. The only reason he got the job was because it was so toxic that we were forced to interview bottom-of-the-barrel candidates. 3. Rex himself was so toxic to GM candidates that he couldn't even get another job without trying to directly bamboozle owners, circumventing team management. Arthur Blank faced a front office mutiny for even entertaining the idea and was bailed out by his mother's death, after which Rex and his agent snuck around Doug Whaley's back by flying to Florida to trick the Pegulas into giving him the Bills job. 4. Idzik's draft record was terrible. As bad as Idzik was if he drafted Glennon over Geno he and Rex would both still be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, slats said: Not in the mood to be trolled over one of the worst executives in NFL history right now. No matter what the acclaimed SBN may have had to say at the time, any casual fan with access to Overthecap.com could've made the same moves and probably performed more coherently at a press conference. Which is fine, but it's part of the record. NoBowles said Idzik had a "clean slate." The fact is he inherited a bad coach and a bad cap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, thadude said: As bad as Idzik was if he drafted Glennon over Geno he and Rex would both still be here Ehhhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Idzik sucked but blaming him 3 years after he was fired is asinine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, thadude said: Idzik sucked but blaming him 3 years after he was fired is asinine It's the same people who blame Parcells for Herm's idiocy and Mangini for Rex's failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, thadude said: Idzik sucked but blaming him 3 years after he was fired is asinine It usually takes 3 - 5 years to fully evaluate a draft, except in Idzik's case where there is almost nobody left on the roster to evaluate. you can pretty much say he sucked 2 years after, quite the embarrassment when you consider how many shots he had in the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, thadude said: Idzik sucked but blaming him 3 years after he was fired is asinine Tannenbaum's last draft and Idzik's two drafts should be the young nucleus of this team, instead, it's a lot of guys who aren't in the NFL any longer. That said, Maccagnan seems to be operating by the seat of his pants with no overall plan in sight. He has his own issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 48 minutes ago, slats said: Not in the mood to be trolled over one of the worst executives in NFL history right now. No matter what the acclaimed SBN may have had to say at the time, any casual fan with access to Overthecap.com could've made the same moves and probably performed more coherently at a press conference. Jets' coaches and GMs under Robert Wood Johnson III are a huge bumfight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, T0mShane said: All of these things can be simultaneously true about Idzik: 1. He never should have been hired. 2. The only reason he got the job was because it was so toxic that we were forced to interview bottom-of-the-barrel candidates. 3. Rex himself was so toxic to GM candidates that he couldn't even get another job without trying to directly bamboozle owners, circumventing team management. Arthur Blank faced a front office mutiny for even entertaining the idea and was bailed out by his mother's death, after which Rex and his agent snuck around Doug Whaley's back by flying to Florida to trick the Pegulas into giving him the Bills job. 4. Idzik's draft record was terrible. I don't disagree with one thing you said here, but above you wanted to give him credit for cleaning the cap, I said he deserved no credit for it, because he did what everyone would have done, and proceeded to shat the bed in every other way, except maybe not overpaying free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I don't disagree with one thing you said here, but above you wanted to give him credit for cleaning the cap, I said he deserved no credit for it, because he did what everyone would have done, and proceeded to shat the bed in every other way, except maybe not overpaying free agents. When you work for the Jets, even doing the obviously smart thing is reason for applause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, thadude said: As bad as Idzik was if he drafted Glennon over Geno he and Rex would both still be here 25 minutes ago, T0mShane said: All of these things can be simultaneously true about Idzik: 1. He never should have been hired. 2. The only reason he got the job was because it was so toxic that we were forced to interview bottom-of-the-barrel candidates. 3. Rex himself was so toxic to GM candidates that he couldn't even get another job without trying to directly bamboozle owners, circumventing team management. Arthur Blank faced a front office mutiny for even entertaining the idea and was bailed out by his mother's death, after which Rex and his agent snuck around Doug Whaley's back by flying to Florida to trick the Pegulas into giving him the Bills job. 4. Idzik's draft record was terrible. Item 2 is everything that's wrong with Johnson having the coach and GM report to him independently. And he keeps making the same mistake. What ever else you can fault Maccagnan for, fair bet he wanted to play Hack and Petty once the season went to poop. And because he is not in charge of idiot Bowles, Fitzerception was allowed to keep playing, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: When you work for the Jets, even doing the obviously smart thing is reason for applause. I will forever be grateful to Idzik for ridding us of Rex. At the same time, I think it was his ineptitude more than an intentional plan. Had he drafted any of those 3 QB's, like he absolutely had to do after watching Geno play a year, he would have been a hero. In sports there is a fine line between hero and dud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Which is fine, but it's part of the record. NoBowles said Idzik had a "clean slate." The fact is he inherited a bad coach and a bad cap situation. The day Idzik took the job, everyone should have realized he would absolutely suck. There was no way we were getting any candidate in here with the Rex mandate who was anything other than awful. The rest is mental masturbation to fat porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I will forever be grateful to Idzik for ridding us of Rex. At the same time, I think it was his ineptitude more than an intentional plan. Had he drafted any of those 3 QB's, like he absolutely had to do after watching Geno play a year, he would have been a hero. In sports there is a fine line between hero and dud. This is what I think of when I think of Idzik's time here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Smashmouth said: that's about the worth of what you contribute after reading most of you're posts It's ironic. The biggest complainer/whiner in troll-like fashion posts a selfie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 "Hey anybody here know if the crap has stopped yet?" smashmouth wants to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: That's actually 100% @Maxman That happened to me like three times. You make it sound like it is a regular thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, The Crusher said: "Hey anybody here know if the crap has stopped yet?" smashmouth wants to know. You can't stop it. We are working on containing it. That is our only hope at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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