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2 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Happens a lot unfortunately. Had the option off for awhile and then we got hit with that porn spammer. So reported posts are here to stay lol.

Next time just filter them to my inbox...for reasons...

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22 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Happens a lot unfortunately. Had the option off for awhile and then we got hit with that porn spammer. So reported posts are here to stay lol.

Wait.......................people reported porn!!!

What the Hells Gone Wrong with this Dam Country!! :) 

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24 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

And to counter all of this, I'd say that this is nothing but wishful thinking because those of us who have paid close attention to the draft prospects don't believe that teams who need QBs are going to pass on guys like the one's we love.  Then we'll be left with the ugly step sister that nobody else wanted and we'll be stuck with a 5 year commitment to them because that's what happens when you draft a first round QB.

I am a huge fan of Mason Rudolph.  That being said, I don't want to touch him with a 1st round pick.  Guess what we're probably going to have to do when Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold (if he declares), and Falk all go to the teams ahead of us?  You aren't just kissing the great prospects goodbye for this year, you're kissing away the top prospects for the next 5 years.

I'm not advocating drafting a guy whose not worthy of being a 1st round pick. I'm saying sometimes players fall for whatever reasons, and teams can also trade up. It happens all the time.

It's also getting ahead of yourself to believe that Darnold, Rosen, and Falk are all sure things to be stars in the NFL. You don't know what these guys are going to be yet. Sam Darnold is 20 years old. You're inducting these guys into the Hall of Fame while they are still playing college football.

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1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

Look.  I'm not actively rooting for the team to lose.  That has always been my stance.  I know that football players do not "tank". My anger and frustration stems from the decision to play McCown and game manager our way to eeking out ugly wins. I have said from day one that this type of situation and attitude is the only one that would drive me insane, and it has.  This was supposed to be a "competitive rebuild".  Guys like ArDarius Stewart shouldn't be getting limited reps behind Jeremy Kerley.  It shouldn't have taken an injury for Forte to not be the featured back here over a committee of him Powell and McGuire.  We shouldn't be playing a 38 year old never-was at QB because the coach thinks that he "gives us the best chance to win right now".  If Petty and Hackenberg were throwing the ball 25-30 times a game, behind a committee of young backs in the run game, to the plethora of young WRs we have and winning games here and there, I would have absolutely no issues.  Instead we're watching McCown doing his best not to f*ck up and cost us like we're a playoff bound team, ala Alex Smith.  We aren't a playoff team.  My gut says New England is going to do a great job of showing us that next week.  I wanted the young guys to come out guns blazing, throwing a ton, for better or worse,  and either give us a reason to build around them, or flame out and give us the definitive answer as to whether or not we need to do everything to get a young guy in the draft next year.  

What we're doing right now is not how you do a rebuild a bad football team. This is how you get stuck in a perpetual wheel of mediocrity because you're too afraid to take a chance and find the guy who can, ultimately, lead your franchise for the next 10+ years.  I'm sorry if this line of thinking puts a damper on the fact that we're 3-2 but when it's all said and done, we're going to be left scratching our heads come draft day when all the other teams ahead of us (or those that trade up ahead of us) all get their guy, and those same people who are stoked about McCown and the record right now will be b*tching that we don't have a franchise QB so why are we drafting an OL, CB, LB, DE, WR in the first when we have such a glaring need.

Don't worry...Macc is drawing up McCown's $12 mill contract for next year in the back room.  It's all good.

 

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1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

Don't worry...Macc is drawing up McCown's $12 mill contract for next year in the back room.  It's all good.

 

Exactly what the "Suck for Sam, er, Josh, er, no, the other Josh" crowd deserves.

Still, I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing that contract anytime soon.

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Exactly what the "Suck for Sam" crowd deserves.

Still, I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing that contract anytime soon.

I don't want to 'suck' for anybody.  But personally, I can't see what treading water and winning games with McCown proves at this point.

This is 2015 part 2 IMO.  To each his own I suppose.

If we were 3-2 with Hack or Petty, I'd be ecstatic...

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1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

I don't want to 'suck' for anybody.  But personally, I can't see what treading water and winning games with McCown proves at this point.

What does going 0-16 prove, exactly?

1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

This is 2015 part 2 IMO.

Not even close.  Even a casual look at the rosters shows that out.

1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

 To each his own I suppose.

What will be, will be.  Remember that, and this all becomes much more clear.

1 minute ago, greenwave81 said:

If we were 3-2 with Hack or Petty, I'd be ecstatic...

As would I.  But those two need to win the job, and thus far, they can't even beat out a clearly sh*t McCown.  Says alot.

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This is like when the Jets found Vinny T late in his career after a lot of losing on sh*tty teams.  McCown is taking advantage of the opportunity.  We are going to the AFC Champ game!!!

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30 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Exactly what the "Suck for Sam, er, Josh, er, no, the other Josh" crowd deserves.

Still, I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing that contract anytime soon.

*Edited/Redacted*

I was a d*ck, took this too literal, and went too far with my response.

-Mogglez

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2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

As would I.  But those two need to win the job, and thus far, they can't even beat out a clearly sh*t McCown.  Says alot.

Being that Bowles was playing Forte over Powell and McGwire tie he got hurt, and treating many other 'vets' similarly, I still have my doubts as to whether that is the case.  Kind of a Catch-22 if you're old enough to have read that book that is ;)

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5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Oh good, since we're now in the business of telling each other what the other side deserves, you won't mind me saying that I feel that those who think like you don't "deserve" to ever see a franchise QB in their lifetime, right?  

This is ok to do now after all.

I don't mind at all Mogz.  

Never seeing a franchise QB, hmmmm, guess I already know whats that's like since we've never had one in my lifetime.  Chad was as close as I ever saw (well, I would say O'Brien but I know most disagree).

In any event, the Suck for Sam, er, Josh, er, the other Josh folks clearly misjudged the team.  Not my fault, not the teams fault.  

The team was never tanking.  NFL teams don't tank, this isn't the NBA.

Is what it is, I'll get worked up over the outcome when there is an outcome to get worked up over:  i.e. next spring.  

Hell, we could all be dead by then.  Live for the now.  It may be all we get.  

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12 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don't mind at all Mogz.  

Never seeing a franchise QB, hmmmm, guess I already know whats that's like since we've never had one in my lifetime.  Chad was as close as I ever saw (well, I would say O'Brien but I know most disagree).

In any event, the Suck for Sam, er, Josh, er, the other Josh folks clearly misjudged the team.  Not my fault, not the teams fault.  

The team was never tanking.  NFL teams don't tank, this isn't the NBA.

Is what it is, I'll get worked up over the outcome when there is an outcome to get worked up over:  i.e. next spring.  

Hell, we could all be dead by then.  Live for the now.  It may be all we get.  

I already feel like a d*ck for writing that.  F*ck.  I'm sorry.  Here's an upvote too.  We're all fans at the end of the day, and none of us "deserves" what I said.  I went too far.

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19 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

As would I.  But those two need to win the job, and thus far, they can't even beat out a clearly sh*t McCown.  Says alot.

It says nothing other than Bowles is a stubborn ultraconservative piece of crap that has no concern for the future of the team, only for trying to save his own ass. 

AND

Petty was given the third preseason game, you know the one against the starters and here were his stats

Bryce Petty 15/18 250 13.9 3 0 0-0 158.3

 

He had a PERFECT QB rating, and Bowles started McClown anyway. Petty sitting says absolutely nothing about Petty but a lot about that pussy Bowles,

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13 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don't mind at all Mogz.  

Never seeing a franchise QB, hmmmm, guess I already know whats that's like since we've never had one in my lifetime.  Chad was as close as I ever saw (well, I would say O'Brien but I know most disagree).

In any event, the Suck for Sam, er, Josh, er, the other Josh folks clearly misjudged the team.  Not my fault, not the teams fault.  

The team was never tanking.  NFL teams don't tank, this isn't the NBA.

Is what it is, I'll get worked up over the outcome when there is an outcome to get worked up over:  i.e. next spring.  

Hell, we could all be dead by then.  Live for the now.  It may be all we get.  

The team is still awful.

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Just now, johnnysd said:

It says nothing other than Bowles is a stubborn ultraconservative piece of crap that has no concern for the future of the team, only for trying to save his own ass. 

AND

Petty was given the third preseason game, you know the one against the starters and here were his stats

Bryce Petty 15/18 250 13.9 3 0 0-0 158.3

 

He had a PERFECT QB rating, and Bowles started McClown anyway. Petty sitting says absolutely nothing about Petty but a lot about that pussy Bowles,

Wishful thinking and reality avoidance.

Hack is total dogsh*t to-date, and Petty is literally an egg back there (and was barely the equal of McCown anyway) outside one moment vs. preseason #3's no longer in the league.

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9 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I already feel like a d*ck for writing that.  F*ck.  I'm sorry.  Here's an upvote too.  We're all fans at the end of the day, and none of us "deserves" what I said.  I went too far.

Don't feel bad my friend, we're all frustrated and tired of waking up and think "****, Josh McCown is our QB?  Seriously?"

A little e-debate over the right course might get a touch....um, aggressive, at times.:lol:  No worries my friend.  No worries at all.  

I know I'm playing the "bad fan" argument a bit hard, but I'm really trying to give some Zen to my fellow fans, I know how disappointed they are, and I get it.

But we simply can't will our team to the #1 pick.  We may as well enjoy it, enjoy the moments we get, and hope we figure a way out to solve that QB riddle we seemingly are doomed to suffer.  

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Wishful thinking and reality avoidance.

Hack is total dogsh*t to-date, and Petty is literally an egg back there (and was barely the equal of McCown anyway) outside one moment vs. preseason #3's no longer in the league.

He played against the Giants first and second team. There are injury concerns with Petty but at least it moves the team forward and the QB situation gets clearer. But youd rather tread water and stunt our development with a 38 year old BUM that is playing like crap, but knows how to compile numbers so it looks like he is doing something other than fuuccking this team's long term future up the ass.

McClown and the team that played today loses by more than 3 touchdowns to a decent team

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1 minute ago, BRONX DUDE said:

RAH RAH fans : Be happy with the slow undersized LB you draft with the 8th pick.

Is that a Darron Lee reference because he was all over the field today. Those jokes may not be funny anymore if he keeps improving. Same with the safety jokes the way Adams/Maye have played

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17 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don't mind at all Mogz.  

Never seeing a franchise QB, hmmmm, guess I already know whats that's like since we've never had one in my lifetime.  Chad was as close as I ever saw (well, I would say O'Brien but I know most disagree).

In any event, the Suck for Sam, er, Josh, er, the other Josh folks clearly misjudged the team.  Not my fault, not the teams fault.  

The team was never tanking.  NFL teams don't tank, this isn't the NBA.

Is what it is, I'll get worked up over the outcome when there is an outcome to get worked up over:  i.e. next spring.  

Hell, we could all be dead by then.  Live for the now.  It may be all we get.  

Idk. I’m like 99% sure the Browns are actually tanking. It’s the only way to explain not kicking a chip shot FG to tie the game. 

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5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

He played against the Giants first and second team.

The 0-5, worst team in NFL Giants?;)

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There are injury concerns with Petty

To say the least.

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but at least it moves the team forward and the QB situation gets clearer

Whats not clear?  Hack is sh*t, Petty is unpopular with management and a glass jaw.  Seems pretty clear to me (at least to-date).

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But youd rather tread water and stunt our development with a 38 year old BUM that is playing like crap

When did I suddenly have control over who plays QB?

I want Hack to play so well in practice this week, that he makes it impossible to play McCown vs. the Pats.  I want Hack to start, and to throw a Watson'like 4 TD's, running for a 5th, and to see the Jets devastate the hatred Pats.  I want Hack to go on and start the rest of the year, the Jets finishing 10-6, a playoff berth, a playoff Run and a Super Bowl.

Just because I want it won't make it so, sadly.:(

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but knows how to compile numbers so it looks like he is doing something other than fuuccking this team's long term future up the ass.

Our long term future will not be decided by who plays QB in 2017.

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McClown and the team that played today loses by more than 3 touchdowns to a decent team

We'll find our Sunday, I'd say.  You're almost assuredly right.

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2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Our long term future will not be decided by who plays QB in 2017.

 

This is the thing I most disagree with. I am not in the "tank" camp at all. But playing McClown in my view has a very very real negative effect on the future of this franchise. It keeps the QB position in suspended animation where we get no answers at all on what we have. We all have opinions on that, but until Petty, who is clearly better than last year, plays we simply do not know if he can play like he did against the Giants in the preseason. The more McClown plays the more likely it becomes that we tread water again next year with another veteran, and once again have no answers at QB. Even worse than that, continuing to play McClown is close to closing the book on Petty and Hack leaving us nothing at QB. I firmly believe that playing the journeyman veteran QB is the absolute worst thing a team can ever do for their long term success. It essentially guarantees mediocrity with the way the NFL works. I do not want to tank, but a loss with Petty is actually better for the future of this team than a win by McClown.

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22 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Don't feel bad my friend, we're all frustrated and tired of waking up and think "****, Josh McCown is our QB?  Seriously?"

A little e-debate over the right course might get a touch....um, aggressive, at times.:lol:  No worries my friend.  No worries at all.  

I know I'm playing the "bad fan" argument a bit hard, but I'm really trying to give some Zen to my fellow fans, I know how disappointed they are, and I get it.

But we simply can't will our team to the #1 pick.  We may as well enjoy it, enjoy the moments we get, and hope we figure a way out to solve that QB riddle we seemingly are doomed to suffer.  

Gahhh thanks for being understanding.  I just needed to apologize because, despite our differences in philosophy, we're both fans of this team, are both opinionated to what we believe in (maybe, at least on my end, to a fault), and, ultimately, just want to see this team win the big dance.

I've know you too many years through these Jets forums to dog you like that.  At the end of the day, you're a good man and, in some weird way, I kinda get what you're trying to do with the bad fan angle.  I may not totally agree with you all the time, but there's no doubt that you just want to see the team we both love succeed.  I wouldn't feel instant regret with that earlier post if I didn't believe this.

All love here 'Fish.  Take this as the "from the heart Moggz" not the "wrapped in pent up anger at Jets/football Moggz" lol.

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5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

This is the thing I most disagree with. I am not in the "tank" camp at all. But playing McClown in my view has a very very real negative effect on the future of this franchise. It keeps the QB position in suspended animation where we get no answers at all on what we have. We all have opinions on that, but until Petty, who is clearly better than last year, plays we simply do not know if he can play like he did against the Giants in the preseason.

I want to see Petty and HAck play too, I do.

But this line of argument, about two guys sitting behind McCown, smells alot like "needs a fair chance, with weapons".

They got fair chances, they have not earned the job.  

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

The more McClown plays the more likely it becomes that we tread water again next year with another veteran, and once again have no answers at QB.

There is a chance, but if we go the Veteran route, the management (at least) will not see it as a "tread water" move, they'll want a guy they think is legit.  Macc is all out of tread water seasons.

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Even worse than that, continuing to play McClown is close to closing the book on Petty and Hack leaving us nothing at QB.

If that book closes, it's on Petty and Hack.  I refuse to make excuses for them, they've had more chances that most.

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I firmly believe that playing the journeyman veteran QB is the absolute worst thing a team can ever do for their long term success.

In a short term win now situation, I can tolerate it.  Other than that, I agree.  As I said, I too want to see Petty and Hack play, and play well.  Be mad at them for not earning it, not at me my friend.

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

 I do not want to tank, but a loss with Petty is actually better for the future of this team than a win by McClown.

Prsonally, I don't think Petty would be much worse than McCown.  But with that said, losses under Petty simply lead to a drafted QB and Petty gone, so not that great for Petty or clarity really.  

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5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Gahhh thanks for being understanding.  I just needed to apologize because, despite our differences in philosophy, we're both fans of this team, are both opinionated to what we believe in (maybe, at least on my end, to a fault), and, ultimately, just want to see this team win the big dance.

I've know you too many years through these Jets forums to dog you like that.  At the end of the day, you're a good man and, in some weird way, I kinda get what you're trying to do with the bad fan angle.  I may not totally agree with you all the time, but there's no doubt that you just want to see the team we both love succeed.  I wouldn't feel instant regret with that earlier post if I didn't believe this.

All love here 'Fish.  Take this as the "from the heart Moggz" not the "wrapped in pent up anger at Jets/football Moggz" lol.

Right back at you, my friend.  We're in a tough time as Jets Fans, all of us.  None of us are REALLY getting what we want right now. 

But we'll get through it, I believe it.  Not sure how long it'll take, but we'll get there.

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