Kentucky Jet Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 PFT Gear Tannenbaum: Sanchez didn’t improve enough in 2011 Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 25, 2012, 12:00 PM EST The Jets won’t rule out going after Peyton Manning, in part because Mark Sanchez has a lot of improving left to do. I spoke with Jets G.M. Mike Tannenbaum at the Combine for NBC SportsTalk Thursday and asked whether Sanchez improved enough in 2011. “Not enough,” Tannenbaum said. “Not consistently. The great thing abut Mark is he’d be the first one to tell you that. . . . His rate of improvement has to keep going and get better, but we’re excited about his work ethic and his commitment.” We also talked about whether the Jets will be a softer, quieter organization in 2012 without any guarantees. (Somehow we doubt it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 How would Tanny Know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 How would Tanny Know this? Sanchez's most recent answer to "What are your pet peeves?" was, "That I didn't improve enough in 2011." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Sanchez's most recent answer to "What are your pet peeves?" was, "That I didn't improve enough in 2011." That explains it then, not sure why Tanny is in Indy, maybe he is playing cards with kraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 How would Tanny Know this? Well, all us keyboard warriors seem to know everything so I a guy in the organization should know more than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Even the guy who drafted him thinks he sucks. But hey, Sanchez is committed to getting better. So, there's that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Even the guy who drafted him thinks he sucks. But hey, Sanchez is committed to getting better. So, there's that! He's a competitor. He wants to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He's a competitor. He wants to be great. How does that compare to Tom Brady's "Mission"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Even the guy who drafted him thinks he sucks. But hey, Sanchez is committed to getting better. So, there's that! I didn't read a quote about how he sucks. Did you read that somewhere else or just making it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I didn't read a quote about how he sucks. Did you read that somewhere else or just making it up? Sucks is my word. The lack of positives expressed by the GM about his #5 overall pick at the most important position on the team outside of saying that he tries hard combined with the disappointment that he does convey in the quote pretty much sets enough subtext to read between the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 How does that compare to Tom Brady's "Mission"? Very comparable considering both were incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I didn't read a quote about how he sucks. Did you read that somewhere else or just making it up? Either the entire Jets franchise, from owner to GM to coach to teammates, is embarking on a highly coordinated campaign to motivate Mark Sanchez, or they all have serious doubts about whether or not he's going to be their starting QB for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 No sh*t. Nuke Laloosh has a pulse. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Either the entire Jets franchise, from owner to GM to coach to teammates, is embarking on a highly coordinated campaign to motivate Mark Sanchez, or they all have serious doubts about whether or not he's going to be their starting QB for long. After the way the season ended, unless the guy is fully retarded I have no clue how the latter isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Very comparable considering both were incomplete. I would love someone to ask, "what does Mark Sanchez do well, except try reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hard?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I would love someone to ask, "what does Mark Sanchez do well, except try reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hard?" Duh - the rollout pass! Let's just do that and cut off half the field on half our snaps. Cannot be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I would love someone to ask, "what does Mark Sanchez do well, except try reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hard?" I personally love the predictability of staring down the checkdown and then lobbing the ball too low and slow right into the defender's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 How would Tanny Know this? Sanchez's beans didn't add up when Tannenbaum counted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Sanchez's beans didn't add up when Tannenbaum counted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Sanchez's beans didn't add up when Tannenbaum counted them. Well played... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Well, all us keyboard warriors seem to know everything so I a guy in the organization should know more than us. Mark Sanchez Joe McKnight Vlad Ducasse Kyle Wilson Vernon Gholston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Mark Sanchez Joe McKnight Vlad Ducasse Kyle Wilson Vernon Gholston Why are McKnight and Wilson on that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Why are McKnight and Wilson on that list? Safe to assume McKnight was drafted to be more than a kick returner by year 3, and Wilson was drafted to be more than a NB. Jets didn't want to still be looking for a RB in McKnight's 3rd year, and (while he hasn't come right out and said it) from a cost-perspective Tannenbaum probably figured - or hoped - Wilson would be ready to start by year 2 and the Jets therefore wouldn't need to shell out megabucks for an Aso or Cro free agent. Instead of re-signing Cromartie for all that money, we'd have been looking for a different NB from more reasonably-priced FA's or a draft pick in the mid-late rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 this is why QB's make all the $$ nobody is talking about hunter or smith in the off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Safe to assume McKnight was drafted to be more than a kick returner by year 3, and Wilson was drafted to be more than a NB. Jets didn't want to still be looking for a RB in McKnight's 3rd year, and (while he hasn't come right out and said it) from a cost-perspective Tannenbaum probably figured - or hoped - Wilson would be ready to start by year 2 and the Jets therefore wouldn't need to shell out megabucks for an Aso or Cro free agent. Instead of re-signing Cromartie for all that money, we'd have been looking for a different NB from more reasonably-priced FA's or a draft pick in the mid-late rounds. yup. thats about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 How does that compare to Tom Brady's "Mission"? Sanchez is well on his way to banging some hot little girls. The QBing thing...not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Safe to assume McKnight was drafted to be more than a kick returner by year 3, and Wilson was drafted to be more than a NB. Jets didn't want to still be looking for a RB in McKnight's 3rd year, and (while he hasn't come right out and said it) from a cost-perspective Tannenbaum probably figured - or hoped - Wilson would be ready to start by year 2 and the Jets therefore wouldn't need to shell out megabucks for an Aso or Cro free agent. Instead of re-signing Cromartie for all that money, we'd have been looking for a different NB from more reasonably-priced FA's or a draft pick in the mid-late rounds. One fair point in the Jets' FO's favor as to Wilson; they did not anticipate the profusion fo 2 TE offenses across the NFL, nor that they would be facing Hernandez and Gronk twice a year for the next 5-10 years. It's plausible to think when they drafted him a 3rd nickel CB would be more important than a safety or ILB to cover a TE in coverage. Wilson in 2011 was a decent nickel, but that spot is now less important on an NFL team than on the day he was drafted.But they have to change direction on that ASAP unless they like watching TEs pad their stats each time they face the Jets as we have seen under RYan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sperm Edwards Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 One fair point in the Jets' FO's favor as to Wilson; they did not anticipate the profusion fo 2 TE offenses across the NFL, nor that they would be facing Hernandez and Gronk twice a year for the next 5-10 years. It's plausible to think when they drafted him a 3rd nickel CB would be more important than a safety or ILB to cover a TE in coverage. Wilson in 2011 was a decent nickel, but that spot is now less important on an NFL team than on the day he was drafted.But they have to change direction on that ASAP unless they like watching TEs pad their stats each time they face the Jets as we have seen under RYan. I don't believe at all that they drafted him to be a NB. They drafted him for a variety of other reasons. 1. Revis wanted $16M/year and made no indication he would budge off that. 2. Cromartie was going to be a UFA after the 2010 season. 3. Worst case scenario they used up a 1st rounder on a guy who couldn't displace either starter on the outside. Not sure about the order as to #1 or #2 but I do believe #3 was a distant 3rd in reasons to draft him. You don't use a first round pick because of the chance you might again have to face Austin Collie in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Safe to assume McKnight was drafted to be more than a kick returner by year 3, and Wilson was drafted to be more than a NB. Jets didn't want to still be looking for a RB in McKnight's 3rd year, and (while he hasn't come right out and said it) from a cost-perspective Tannenbaum probably figured - or hoped - Wilson would be ready to start by year 2 and the Jets therefore wouldn't need to shell out megabucks for an Aso or Cro free agent. Instead of re-signing Cromartie for all that money, we'd have been looking for a different NB from more reasonably-priced FA's or a draft pick in the mid-late rounds. Don't get me wrong, I wanted McKnight here... but I didn't see him being the next AP. With that said, he barely gets any touches at running back. Let the kid get his feet wet. Wilson is a solid nickel. I am surprised people expected him to be elite where he would take Cromartie's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 There was a time not long ago people were saying Ray Mickens was a Pro Bowl nickel. It simply isn't as valued facing TE-heavy offenses. As a top pick, Wilson shoul be msiplacing Cro, or the cap gets messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I think it's safe to assume that with Schottenheimer gone, Sanchez will finally fulfill his potential as Drew Brees 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 I think it's safe to assume that with Schottenheimer gone, Sanchez will finally fulfill his potential as Drew Brees 2.0. Oh please, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Don't get me wrong, I wanted McKnight here... but I didn't see him being the next AP. With that said, he barely gets any touches at running back. Let the kid get his feet wet. Wilson is a solid nickel. I am surprised people expected him to be elite where he would take Cromartie's job. Not that it would hurt any to have him, but we don't need the next AP. We needed someone who could take LT's place on 3rd down and give Greene a blow now & then because he sure looks like he needs it. IMO they don't trust his blocking and that's a good reason why he hasn't been on the field. There may be more to it as well, like maybe he's too dumb to memorize the playbook. The other problem with him is that while he's clearly fast, he isn't explosive fast. Sort of like his 40 yard dash time is where you'd want it to be but his 5 yard dash time isn't. Now I don't know if that's due to hesitation or if he's just someone whose 2nd-5th gears work ok but his 1st gear is sluggish. Once he gets going there's no problem. The guy was averaging 40 yards per kick return for most of the season. Westhoff Shmesthoff, that's just off the charts ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Not that it would hurt any to have him, but we don't need the next AP. We needed someone who could take LT's place on 3rd down and give Greene a blow now & then because he sure looks like he needs it. IMO they don't trust his blocking and that's a good reason why he hasn't been on the field. There may be more to it as well, like maybe he's too dumb to memorize the playbook. The other problem with him is that while he's clearly fast, he isn't explosive fast. Sort of like his 40 yard dash time is where you'd want it to be but his 5 yard dash time isn't. Now I don't know if that's due to hesitation or if he's just someone whose 2nd-5th gears work ok but his 1st gear is sluggish. Once he gets going there's no problem. The guy was averaging 40 yards per kick return for most of the season. Westhoff Shmesthoff, that's just off the charts ridiculous. Oh, OK. We are absolutely on the same page then. I still feel like Joe is due to really bust out and produce a ton more. And yeah, his speed is weird. He almost looks.. slow. I guess good horsepower, just no torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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