Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Baghdad Bob on cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 We're going to defend bringing another one of Melo's boys in here? You really cant admit I was right on who was running this show the entire time? The cut Ronnie Brewer for nothing but James White gets to stick around? The dunk contest is over, he's useless. As for Martin, on the surface its a decent signing....as it DOES fill a need, but with the mental makeup of this team being what it is...adding another combustible player to the fire is a recipe for this to get ugly fast. Woodson is going to be the scapegoat when this turns array, just watch. ANd next year they'll put in another figurehead for these guys to walk over. When things go bad this team goes down quick as we saw the other night....why add another guy that has a history of doing the same? To appease Melo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 We're going to defend bringing another one of Melo's boys in here? You really cant admit I was right on who was running this show the entire time? The cut Ronnie Brewer for nothing but James White gets to stick around? The dunk contest is over, he's useless. As for Martin, on the surface its a decent signing....as it DOES fill a need, but with the mental makeup of this team being what it is...adding another combustible player to the fire is a recipe for this to get ugly fast. Woodson is going to be the scapegoat when this turns array, just watch. ANd next year they'll put in another figurehead for these guys to walk over. When things go bad this team goes down quick as we saw the other night....why add another guy that has a history of doing the same? To appease Melo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 We're going to defend bringing another one of Melo's boys in here? You really cant admit I was right on who was running this show the entire time? Right about what exactly? I thought you just said Isiah was pushing for Jermaine O'Neil and now the Knicks sign Martin. Did Melo win a tug of war with Isiah? You haven't been right about a single thing this year. It's just a small part of how big of a mess the Knicks are. Im sorry but its you're 12th season in the league....the light shouldnt go on now to work on your post game. Kurt Thomas is starting on Friday. Its just laughable. If this team has more wins than the Cavs I'll be surprised. Knicks -- 32-19 Cavs -- 17-37 Anyone going into the season saying they'd be "surprised" the Knicks win more games than the Cavs is a damn fool or an outright hater. Even T0m wouldn't say something so ridiculous and he's an antagonizing Nets fan. What's your excuse? Every single one of your posts is laced with your Knicks-hating agenda. You expect anyone here to claim you're "right" when every single thing you say is negative or you simply dissapear when things are going well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Right about what exactly? I thought you just said Isiah was pushing for Jermaine O'Neil and now the Knicks sign Martin. Did Melo win a tug of war with Isiah? You haven't been right about a single thing this year. Knicks -- 32-19 Cavs -- 17-37 Anyone going into the season saying they'd be "surprised" the Knicks win more games than the Cavs is a damn fool or an outright hater. Even T0m wouldn't say something so ridiculous and he's an antagonizing Nets fan. What's your excuse? Every single one of your posts is laced with your Knicks-hating agenda. You expect anyone here to claim you're "right" when every single thing you say is negative or you simply dissapear when things are going well? You like the fact we're a hybrid of the 2000 Nets and the Thuggets? I was wrong about the Cavs, oh well. Boo hoo. Knicks hating agenda...the team is built around Carmelo Anthony and JR Smith...there's no agenda there, thats the truth. Youre never winning anything with those two guys being your first two options on offense. Why keep James White over Brewer? Makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 dp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 You like the fact we're a hybrid of the 2000 Nets and the Thuggets? I was wrong about the Cavs, oh well. Boo hoo. Knicks hating agenda...the team is built around Carmelo Anthony and JR Smith...there's no agenda there, thats the truth. Youre never winning anything with those two guys being your first two options on offense. Why keep James White over Brewer? Makes zero sense. Saying the Knicks are a hybrid of 2000 Nets and Thuggets is stupid. They're not. The Knicks brought in veteran rotation guys. And the team isn't built around Melo and Smith. Get real. Yes, they're built around Melo and the Knicks can certainly win with him as the focal point. The Knicks have been hampered by injuries. That's why they're 14-14 since mid December. They lost their starting PG for 12 games (the same guy you said was a donut away from diabetes). Kidd, a key rotation guy, was overextended with Felton out and now the Knicks are suffering from it. STAT and Shump are still coming back from injury and their front court depth is tested with Wallace and Camby out. The Knicks offense is built around Melo and the pick-and-roll. Teams are overplaying the P&R and that has affected the offensive officiency. The 3 most important players on the team remain Melo, Tyson, and Felton. As for Brewer over White, you really need to get a clue. Have you watched the games? Brewer has never recovered from offseason knee surgery. He was brought in to be a defensive specialist but his defense has greatly suffered because of the knee AND because of his poor offensive performance. He was never a great shooter, but he became awful Add to that the fact that he is a dreadful FT shooter made him an absolute liability on the floor. He allowed his shooting slump to affect his D. Thus, he was a defensive liability and couldn't hit an outside shot or even a layup (he blew a punch of bunnies). White is healthy, can defend, and more importantly, can give the team some offense. Brewer had none of that. That's why he racked up a bunch of BNP CD in the last month as he fell out of the rotation. Keeping White over Brewer was a no brainer for anyone paying attention to what has actually been happening with the Knicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 dp Stop stuttering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 We're going to defend bringing another one of Melo's boys in here? You really cant admit I was right on who was running this show the entire time? The cut Ronnie Brewer for nothing but James White gets to stick around? The dunk contest is over, he's useless. As for Martin, on the surface its a decent signing....as it DOES fill a need, but with the mental makeup of this team being what it is...adding another combustible player to the fire is a recipe for this to get ugly fast. Woodson is going to be the scapegoat when this turns array, just watch. ANd next year they'll put in another figurehead for these guys to walk over. When things go bad this team goes down quick as we saw the other night....why add another guy that has a history of doing the same? To appease Melo? Martin is combustible like a junkyard full of tires is combustible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Saying the Knicks are a hybrid of 2000 Nets and Thuggets is stupid. They're not. The Knicks brought in veteran rotation guys. And the team isn't built around Melo and Smith. Get real. Yes, they're built around Melo and the Knicks can certainly win with him as the focal point. The Knicks have been hampered by injuries. That's why they're 14-14 since mid December. They lost their starting PG for 12 games (the same guy you said was a donut away from diabetes). Kidd, a key rotation guy, was overextended with Felton out and now the Knicks are suffering from it. STAT and Shump are still coming back from injury and their front court depth is tested with Wallace and Camby out. The Knicks offense is built around Melo and the pick-and-roll. Teams are overplaying the P&R and that has affected the offensive officiency. The 3 most important players on the team remain Melo, Tyson, and Felton. As for Brewer over White, you really need to get a clue. Have you watched the games? Brewer has never recovered from offseason knee surgery. He was brought in to be a defensive specialist but his defense has greatly suffered because of the knee AND because of his poor offensive performance. He was never a great shooter, but he became awful Add to that the fact that he is a dreadful FT shooter made him an absolute liability on the floor. He allowed his shooting slump to affect his D. Thus, he was a defensive liability and couldn't hit an outside shot or even a layup (he blew a punch of bunnies). White is healthy, can defend, and more importantly, can give the team some offense. Brewer had none of that. That's why he racked up a bunch of BNP CD in the last month as he fell out of the rotation. Keeping White over Brewer was a no brainer for anyone paying attention to what has actually been happening with the Knicks. So when do the excuses end? Who's the second option on offense? We must be watching two different James White's. He does none of that. Brewer, at least, has the ability to be a glue guy/defender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 As to the Martin signing, the issue isn't the fake "combustible" argument it's health. Can he stay healthy to provide productive minutes. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 So when do the excuses end? Who's the second option on offense? We must be watching two different James White's. He does none of that. Brewer, at least, has the ability to be a glue guy/defender... And the hating never ends. But at least from my perspective the numbers back me up as they still lead the division and are still 2nd in the East. If the Knicks fall to 7th or 8th or out of the playoffs, then I'll claim you're right. Nets look like a 5-6 seed....Knicks will be 7-8 or miss the playoffs. As to Brewer, you were obviously watching a different team. Brewer dropped off dramatically starting in December once his shot wasn't falling. And he ceased being a glue guy/defender. In November, Brewer's shooting percentage was .461, but in December he was awful and his percentage dropped to .258. Then it was .318 in January and .000 in February. A team can't have a player like that on the floor (especially with his pathetic .410 FT % this season) because it automatically becomes 4 on 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Fascinating breakdown by Hoopdata about the Knicks recent offensive woes, via WSJ: Over the past two months—a span in which the team has played .500 basketball—the Knicks have been a stubborn bunch that seemingly refuses to alter its game plan despite previous opponents having laid out a blueprint that details precisely how they can be beaten. The Pacers' defense took advantage of that Wednesday, harassing the Knicks into the most difficult shots one play after another. The strategy was simple. They took away the Knicks' top offensive options: the pick-and-roll and one-on-one plays through star scorer Carmelo Anthony. The Pacers lead the league in defensive efficiency and align themselves in a way that limits shots from the painted area and the 3-point line. They're often willing to surrender difficult midrange shots in between those spots, about 10 to 23 feet from the basket. As such, the Knicks went 6-for-20 from that distance in the loss, according to Hoopdata. That wasn't coincidence; most teams have been able to take the Knicks out of their offensive preferences lately. According to Synergy Sports, the Knicks have run the pick-and-roll play, which tends to induce fluid ball movement, just 24% of the time in February, down from 28% in December. Additionally, they've created fewer isolation plays for Anthony, who's gone one-on-one just 21% of the time, a steep drop from 35% in December. As a result, players are taking tougher shots. This month alone, 24.2% of the Knicks' attempts have come from 16 to 23 feet, up from just 19.4% prior. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324048904578318760886260482.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 So the Knicks have built around Melo and a guy on a one year contract who comes off the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 As to the Martin signing, the issue isn't the fake "combustible" argument it's health. Can he stay healthy to provide productive minutes. That's it. Close. The question is whether he'll be healthy enough to justify adding another a$$hole to the locker room. He's not a good dude at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Close. The question is whether he'll be healthy enough to justify adding another a$$hole to the locker room. He's not a good dude at all. Assholes win championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Fascinating breakdown by Hoopdata about the Knicks recent offensive woes, via WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324048904578318760886260482.html Watching the Nets the other night; nobody spare melo drives the lane like him, and he's probably the 3rd or 4th best penetrator on the Nets. teams have figured it out. Nobody wants to drive to the net, and they spend most of the 24 seconds watching Melo do his iso thing. Melo is a great scorer, but that's it. Team would be so much better if it had a point guard who drove the lane distributed, amde the palyers around him better. Someone like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 More staggeringly bad numbers: Tommy Beer @TommyBeer @TommyDeeTKB @charliezegers @hoopscritic Over NY’s last 11 games, Jason Kidd has nearly as many fouls (5) as made FG’s (7) Tommy Beer @TommyBeer Over #Knicks last 6 games, J Kidd, Shumpert & JR Smith are shooting a combined 38-for-129 from the floor (29.4%) & 10-of-71 on 3’s (14.0%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Assholes win championships :looks at fingers: Yo, bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Watching the Nets the other night; nobody spare melo drives the lane like him, and he's probably the 3rd or 4th best penetrator on the Nets. teams have figured it out. Nobody wants to drive to the net, and they spend most of the 24 seconds watching Melo do his iso thing. Melo is a great scorer, but that's it. Team would be so much better if it had a point guard who drove the lane distributed, amde the palyers around him better. Someone like.... Lin's only putting up 13 and 7, but his penetration combined with Harden spotting up makes that a tough backcourt to guard. It's so depressing to watch Kidd break down like this. They really needed to find a nice combo guard to plug into the rotation. The f*cking trade market was absurd with the prices teams were asking. Two ones for Josh Smith? Bitch, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Watching the Nets the other night; nobody spare melo drives the lane like him, and he's probably the 3rd or 4th best penetrator on the Nets. teams have figured it out. Nobody wants to drive to the net, and they spend most of the 24 seconds watching Melo do his iso thing. Melo is a great scorer, but that's it. Team would be so much better if it had a point guard who drove the lane distributed, amde the palyers around him better. Someone like.... I wanted Lin back, but he's not playing as well as Felton this year. Lin's on a team full of shooters and he's only averaging 6.2 apg (same as Felton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 So the Knicks have built around Melo and a guy on a one year contract who comes off the bench? Who has the second most shot attempts on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Lin's only putting up 13 and 7, but his penetration combined with Harden spotting up makes that a tough backcourt to guard. It's so depressing to watch Kidd break down like this. They really needed to find a nice combo guard to plug into the rotation. The f*cking trade market was absurd with the prices teams were asking. Two ones for Josh Smith? Bitch, please. Id give up two #1's to not have Josh Smith on my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 IMO, the Kidd-Shump-JR freefall is the biggest reason for the Knicks recent struggles (combined 38-for-129 from the floor (29.4%) & 10-of-71 on 3’s (14.0%)). Have to find a way to get them playing better or make Novak and Cumberland produce more, especially Novak. He needs to shoot when he isn't wide open and start drawing some fouls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 IMO, the Kidd-Shump-JR freefall is the biggest reason for the Knicks recent struggles (combined 38-for-129 from the floor (29.4%) & 10-of-71 on 3’s (14.0%)). Have to find a way to get them playing better or make Novak and Cumberland produce more, especially Novak. He needs to shoot when he isn't wide open and start drawing some fouls. Do the Knicks offer JR a deal next season and do you want them to? Is JR Smith a guy you want on your team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Do the Knicks offer JR a deal next season and do you want them to? Is JR Smith a guy you want on your team? I don't make that decision until after the playoffs. Seriously, I'd have to see the whole body of work this season to see if he is worthy of an early-Bird Rights extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 damn this is a jets thread now, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Lin's only putting up 13 and 7, but his penetration combined with Harden spotting up makes that a tough backcourt to guard. It's so depressing to watch Kidd break down like this. They really needed to find a nice combo guard to plug into the rotation. The f*cking trade market was absurd with the prices teams were asking. Two ones for Josh Smith? Bitch, please. KIdd might have the highest basketball IQ of almost anyone to ever play. Basically he dragged a marginal Nets team to 2 finals. But physically he can't do it any more. If he got to the Knicks a few years ago instead of Marbury might've been a very different Knicks tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Another loss and Knicks lose 2nd seed, but Nets bail them out and Knicks hold onto division. Kidd is a big problem now with him afraid to shoot when open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 melo is such a bitch, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 kidd is done but lin put on a shower with harden against okc (i <3 okc though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Even though Knicks fell to 3rd (Nets & Bulls losses put Knicks up 4 in division and seed), I'd rather face Atlanta in the first round (6th seed) than Boston (2d seed). As to Kidd, he is a significant reason for their .500 slide in the last 31 games. His shooting percentage has crumbled. He's missing wide open looks or passing up wide open looks. That kills an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Kidd is not a great scorer? Wow, what a newsflash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Kidd is not a great scorer? Wow, what a newsflash! There's a big different between "not being a great scorer" and shooting 15% from 3 over your last 10+ games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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