SenorGato Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 To be more specific - LG in between Mangold and D'Brick. Figure stack the left side of the line with the in-house vets, sign or draft a RT, and scour the markets for a RG (or maybe a Winters breaks out). It just seems as if there are more impact tackles in the draft and FA than guards. Or am I underrating Howard as a RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Il Mostro Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 He did a decent job at RT. If we keep him, why take on the unknown moving him to G. You sure as $hit do not want to pay him what he wants to play G. Good to see you are still missing a few brain cells, or have had too many White Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 7, 2014 Author Share Posted March 7, 2014 You're missing a few brain cells. Schwartz? Asamoah? Beadles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 We're going to pay him tackle money and move him to gaurd? You're my favorite JN GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 My best guess is his height would be an issue. QBs will have a tough time seeing the middle of the field with a 6'7" monster standing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Howard is a pretty lousy run blocker. This move makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 He was Ok at tackle- if he stays with a reasonable contract why mess with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 He did a decent job at RT. If we keep him, why take on the unknown moving him to G. You sure as $hit do not want to pay him what he wants to play G. Good to see you are still missing a few brain cells, or have had too many White Russians. You're missing a few brain cells. Schwartz? Asamoah? Beadles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 We're going to pay him tackle money and move him to gaurd? You're my favorite JN GM My best guess is his height would be an issue. QBs will have a tough time seeing the middle of the field with a 6'7" monster standing there. Howard is a pretty lousy run blocker. This move makes zero sense. These three posts sum it all perfectly. Howard's strength is in pass-blocking, which makes him a better fit at tackle. His size is more suited to tackle than guard as well. But most importantly of all, Howard wants to be paid like a tackle and if the Jets won't do it, someone else would. You don't pay that kind of money for a guard. Hell, look at the ridiculously dirt cheap contract Slauson got in FA last year. Even after his great year in Chicago, his new big deal is still only $3.2 mil / year. That's the kind of money you pay for a guard. Consider that the money Howard wants would be more than we ever paid to Moore. I have no doubt the Jets could get a FA at G who would be better at the position and much cheaper than Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 We need a strong Right Tackle to protect Vick's blindside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Another few more days pass and he's not even on the team. He's looking for elite right tackle money, not "let's try you out at left guard and we'll see if that works out" money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Another few more days pass and he's not even on the team. He's looking for elite right tackle money, not "let's try you out at left guard and we'll see if that works out" money. Yeah, it's starting to seem like a near certainty that Austin will be gone at this point, so I'm actually far more interested in what they do at RT. Guard is definitely much more of a plug and play type position where you can find reasonably priced players in FA capable of starting. Tackle is a whole different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yeah, it's starting to seem like a near certainty that Austin will be gone at this point, so I'm actually far more interested in what they do at RT. Guard is definitely much more of a plug and play type position where you can find reasonably priced players in FA capable of starting. Tackle is a whole different story. Not necessarily. He can test the FA waters and find they're not as awesome as he expected. That's what happened with Brandon Moore before his last Jets contract. There's even a possibility we get him inked for less than what Idzik's alleged offers to him have been so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Not necessarily. He can test the FA waters and find they're not as awesome as he expected. That's what happened with Brandon Moore before his last Jets contract. There's even a possibility we get him inked for less than what Idzik's alleged offers to him have been so far. That's true. I really more meant that he's pretty clearly going to test FA at this point, but you're right, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's gone. I'm sure they'll keep in touch with him even once FA hits. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets start talking to other RTs on the market as soon as FA hits either, and perhaps being the ones who move on first. Idzik doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is going to wait around for Howard to make a decision while the other FAs at the position are gobbled up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 What do u guys think about trying Kevin Hardy at guard 6'5 280 I think it would work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 What do u guys think about trying Kevin Hardy at guard 6'5 280 I think it would work I think you like him because he has "hard" in his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 That's true. I really more meant that he's pretty clearly going to test FA at this point, but you're right, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's gone. I'm sure they'll keep in touch with him even once FA hits. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets start talking to other RTs on the market as soon as FA hits either, and perhaps being the ones who move on first. Idzik doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is going to wait around for Howard to make a decision while the other FAs at the position are gobbled up. $7M for Howard is insane. If he pays it I'll be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 $7M for Howard is insane. If he pays it I'll be disappointed. Let's remember what Howard is -- a very marginal player picked up off the street 3 years ago who improved his game and became an average RT. And who know if last year's "decent" season is going to be the norm or was an aberration. I will give him this, he has not missed a game since becoming a starter 2 years ago. He is just good-enough, and I would like him to stay, but not at elite $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Let's remember what Howard is -- a very marginal player picked up off the street 3 years ago who improved his game and became an average RT. And who know if last year's "decent" season is going to be the norm or was an aberration. I will give him this, he has not missed a game since becoming a starter 2 years ago. He is just good-enough, and I would like him to stay, but not at elite $$$. Yep. It wasn't the norm for Wayne Hunter after a promising start. And he was a veteran already, but still plenty young; less prone to having his level of play drop off a cliff. That didn't work out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yep. It wasn't the norm for Wayne Hunter after a promising start. And he was a veteran already, but still plenty young; less prone to having his level of play drop off a cliff. That didn't work out so well. I thought he was decent in 2012 also. Everybody here is ranting that his strong suit is pass protection, but that was 2013. In 2012, he graded out very highly as a run blocker and supposedly needed to improve his pass blocking. That is me reading other's analysis of the "advanced metrics" IMO he was solid, but not great in 2012 and 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I think you like him because he has "hard" in his name. Jets Going Hard After Hardy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Jets Going Hard After Hardy! HARDY HAR HAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Jets Going Hard After Hardy! Idzik is smart enough to know that he has to have a strong right tackle with a lefthanded QB. Don't worry, he will get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I hope the Jets draft Joel Bitonio in the third round to play RT so every time he gets beat for a sack we can scream at Bitonti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 HARDY Yes Michael Vick throwing an incomplete pass takes good protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Idzik is smart enough to know that he has to have a strong right tackle with a lefthanded QB. Don't worry, he will get it done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfv3kBzJZgU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I thought he was decent in 2012 also. Everybody here is ranting that his strong suit is pass protection, but that was 2013. In 2012, he graded out very highly as a run blocker and supposedly needed to improve his pass blocking. That is me reading other's analysis of the "advanced metrics" IMO he was solid, but not great in 2012 and 2013. I'm not ranting about anything other than him not being worth $7M/year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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