ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 then why were you quoting my post about John Elway? As I said about Manning it goes for Elway too. Majority both media n former players have Montana..No Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 As I said about Manning it goes for Elway too. Majority both media n former players have Montana..No Elway. Elway never had Jerry Rice to throw to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Did I ever tell you about the time I met Chad Pennington and Eli Manning in 2005? I was a lot more excited to talk to Chad. The G men didn't win the super bowl that season non band wagon year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 There are no favorite non Jets. There is if you want to watch people that can actually play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Elway never had Jerry Rice to throw to And? That's not Montana ' s fault, and Montana won one before Rice ever got there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 so you dislike Barry Sanders? screw Barry Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Elway 4. Montana 5. Marino Doesn't really matter where you rank each. Because WE don't have anyone in the Top 100 of all time at QB. smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 And? That's not Montana ' s fault, and Montana won one before Rice ever got there... Who's this montano guy? Never heard of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Why would Patriot fans be jealous? When someone breaks a record, it makes for a nice little in-the-moment celebration, but beyond that it's irrelevant. Nobody cares about records or stats in the long run. They're only relevant for hyping the present. I remember the coverage at ESPN during Marino's retirement. A lot of talking heads were making the case that he was the uncrowned GOAT, who boo-hoo never got a ring, and his stats are amazing. Five years after retirement, nobody is invested emotionally anymore. 15 and absolutely nobody cares but bitter 60 year old delusional Miami fans. That's when the only thing that matters is championships and big games. That's what stands the test of time, and that's why Dan Marino has completely fell out of the GOAT discussion. Nobody cares about stats. You can ask plenty of people who the best QB of all time is, and they'll say "Montana," without knowing a single one of his career stats, and without ever actually seeing him play. Why? 4 rings. Someone born in 1995 knows Joe was Mr. Superbowl. In the end, posterity will remember Peyton similar to Dan Fouts and Dan Marino, who racked up monster numbers in the regular season with stacked offenses, torching bottom feeder defenses for TD pass after TD pass, but who always went down in flames when it mattered most. Deny this all you want, but you're emotionally involved. Today someone was born that will one day be a football fan, who will have never seen a single Peyton snap. And when he gets older, he'll laugh in your face if you try to tell him Mr. One&Done is the GOAT with one lonely ring against Rex Grossman, and a legacy of epic choke jobs. Tom Brady 3 rings. 5 Superbowls. 8 AFC Championship games. Is it 20 post season victories now? Mr Prime Time Tom Brady will stand next to Montana for all time. Peyton will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Who's this montano guy? Never heard of him Ha ha that's a good question. .cuz i never spelled it Montano....U JUST DID!! Lol..u failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 A love of football will even bring hardened Brady hating Jet fans around to giving Tom his due 10 years after he's retired from the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 And? That's not Montana ' s fault, and Montana won one before Rice ever got there... Montana won two before Rice got there. nice to see you know your facts for the debate you are putting up. screw Barry Sanders. YOU BLASPHEMER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 A love of football will even bring hardened Brady hating Jet fans around to giving Tom his due 10 years after he's retired from the league. his due for what? choking in playoff games after his team got exposed for cheating? for failing to beat Eli Manning not once but TWICE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Pats will lose that game Patriots will kick Peyton's ass. Peyton's Broncos have never, ever beaten the Pats with a healthy Gronk on the field. Usually the Patriots inspire everyone's best shot, but this year the Patriots will be getting fired up to give them their best shot that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 A love of football will even bring hardened Brady hating Jet fans around to giving Tom his due 10 years after he's retired from the league. Peyton can still win Super Bowls. The Pats have no chance of winning one this year. Your long post was terrible. Peyton's basically the Jerry West of the league...he'll be involved with the league long past retirement. Brady will fade away into Europe or wherever his wife takes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 his due for what? choking in playoff games after his team got exposed for cheating? for failing to beat Eli Manning not once but TWICE? lol. This is an amazing perspective in how ridiculous it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Peyton can still win Super Bowls. The Pats have no chance of winning one this year. Your long post was terrible. Peyton's basically the Jerry West of the league...he'll be involved with the league long past retirement. Brady will fade away into Europe or wherever his wife takes him. So you think Peyton will go the Trent Dilfer route and be a talking douche on a cable show, and Tom will follow Montana's path into relative quiet, and this will help Peyton's legacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So you think Peyton will go the Trent Dilfer route and be a talking douche on a cable show, and Tom will follow Montana's path into relative quiet, and this will help Peyton's legacy? I think Peyton goes the Elway route. Montana is broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nobody cares about stats in a historical context. After retirement they just become sports trivia. You're emotionally invested if you deny this. Future generations will just see one Superbowl and a record number of first round exits. All his records will fall under the new defense-killing rules, which is appropriate since that's how he himself got them. Records don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Dan Fouts he says. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nobody cares about stats in a historical context. After retirement they just become sports trivia. You're emotionally invested if you deny this. Future generations will just see one Superbowl and a record number of first round exits. All his records will fall under the new defense-killing rules, which is appropriate since that's how he himself got them. Records don't matter. I'm going off of what I saw on the field. Marino, Peyton and Brady were/are three of the best of all time. You're trying to prop Brady up with stuff that doesn't matter more than anyone here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Dan Fouts he says. Jesus. What's the difference? Before Peyton it was Dan Fouts who was regarded as "the greatest regular season quarterback of all time." So there's a difference in offensive statistics. Big whoop. There's also a difference in defensive rules. Peyton has gone into the play offs as a high favorite only to be eliminated their very first game so many times that it's honestly just embarrassing. How embarrassing? So much so that now when he makes it to the play offs, his media ball washers start calling it things like "The Legacy Bowl" and doing everything but openly praying on air for his win so he can "finally be the GOAT". What happens next is almost always completely embarrassing, but they go right back to their talking points again the next regular season. It's so embarrassing, that last year after being totally embarrassed by the Seahawks, a reporter asked him, "Are you embarrassed?" He's a horrible leader and he wilts in big games that get tough. When the Colts needed him to drive the field for the win, he'd panic and throw the most awkward pick six duck imaginable and sulk his way off the field. A soft, media pampered dome quarterback who couldn't handle the elements, who in his only Superbowl run, threw three 3 TD's and 7 INT's to have his defense carry him kicking and screaming past Chicago's back up QB. Sorry but comparing that to Joe Montana is absurd. The only reason Peyton is now in that discussion is because Tom is, and being Tom's generational rival, gets to piggy back on Brady's shoulders into the discussion. History will take care of that. It always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Why would Patriot fans be jealous? When someone breaks a record, it makes for a nice little in-the-moment celebration, but beyond that it's irrelevant. Nobody cares about records or stats in the long run. They're only relevant for hyping the present. I remember the coverage at ESPN during Marino's retirement. A lot of talking heads were making the case that he was the uncrowned GOAT, who boo-hoo never got a ring, and his stats are amazing. Five years after retirement, nobody is invested emotionally anymore. 15 and absolutely nobody cares but bitter 60 year old delusional Miami fans. That's when the only thing that matters is championships and big games. That's what stands the test of time, and that's why Dan Marino has completely fell out of the GOAT discussion. Nobody cares about stats. You can ask plenty of people who the best QB of all time is, and they'll say "Montana," without knowing a single one of his career stats, and without ever actually seeing him play. Why? 4 rings. Someone born in 1995 knows Joe was Mr. Superbowl. In the end, posterity will remember Peyton similar to Dan Fouts and Dan Marino, who racked up monster numbers in the regular season with stacked offenses, torching bottom feeder defenses for TD pass after TD pass, but who always went down in flames when it mattered most. Deny this all you want, but you're emotionally involved. Today someone was born that will one day be a football fan, who will have never seen a single Peyton snap. And when he gets older, he'll laugh in your face if you try to tell him Mr. One&Done is the GOAT with one lonely ring against Rex Grossman, and a legacy of epic choke jobs. Tom Brady 3 rings. 5 Superbowls. 8 AFC Championship games. Is it 20 post season victories now? Mr Prime Time Tom Brady will stand next to Montana for all time. Peyton will not. While I concur with your point on stats having little bearing, Peyton is on the list of G.O.A.T. with Montana and Brady. There is no argument. He has defined the QB position more than Montana or Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 While I concur with your point on stats having little bearing, Peyton is on the list of G.O.A.T. with Montana and Brady. There is no argument. He has defined the QB position more than Montana or Brady. No he hasn't. How can you come up with that when in the 12 seasons Brady has played in a Patriot uniform, the entire country has watched him in the AFC Championship fighting for a Superbowl spot EIGHT times. 8 out of 12. Tom Brady. 5 Superbowl games. A historic 19-0 run. A dynasty in the salary cap era. Tom Brady has not only defined the QB position, he has basically defined the entire NFL for over a decade. For the last X amount of years, every single team and fan base marks "Patriot week" and it becomes their Superbowl. Maybe this year is the first year that's different, but it was certainly true from 2003 through 2012, probably 2013. Do you honestly believe you can compare Peyton to Montana without Brady in the conversation to bridge the absurd differences in greatness? Would love to see anyone try. A Peyton v Montana conversation without Brady to bridge Manning into it would be a total joke, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Tom Brady also has 0 superbowls since spygate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 What's the difference? Before Peyton it was Dan Fouts who was regarded as "the greatest regular season quarterback of all time." So there's a difference in offensive statistics. Big whoop. There's also a difference in defensive rules. Peyton has gone into the play offs as a high favorite only to be eliminated their very first game so many times that it's honestly just embarrassing. How embarrassing? So much so that now when he makes it to the play offs, his media ball washers start calling it things like "The Legacy Bowl" and doing everything but openly praying on air for his win so he can "finally be the GOAT". What happens next is almost always completely embarrassing, but they go right back to their talking points again the next regular season. It's so embarrassing, that last year after being totally embarrassed by the Seahawks, a reporter asked him, "Are you embarrassed?" He's a horrible leader and he wilts in big games that get tough. When the Colts needed him to drive the field for the win, he'd panic and throw the most awkward pick six duck imaginable and sulk his way off the field. A soft, media pampered dome quarterback who couldn't handle the elements, who in his only Superbowl run, threw three 3 TD's and 7 INT's to have his defense carry him kicking and screaming past Chicago's back up QB. Sorry but comparing that to Joe Montana is absurd. The only reason Peyton is now in that discussion is because Tom is, and being Tom's generational rival, gets to piggy back on Brady's shoulders into the discussion. History will take care of that. It always does. Take it easy Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ha ha that's a good question. .cuz i never spelled it Montano....U JUST DID!! Lol..u failed So, it's Montana? Never heard of him? He play cfb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Brady is a system qb who has had success in the league riding the back of a great coach, defense and running game. He's never won when he's had to carry the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So, it's Montana? Never heard of him? He play cfb? Brady is a system qb who has had success in the league riding the back of a great coach, defense and running game. He's never won when he's had to carry the team. run and go play another asinine statement..... "Brady has never won when he had to carry a team"..smh...neither has Manning, the only superbowl he won, his defense and running game played better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Tom Brady also has 0 superbowls since spygate point? ha ha this is like the only card anyone on here ever uses...as useless as it is, because nobody cares..nobody is listening to the "spygate" talk anymore...lol (and correction, he went to, two more superbowls since spygate.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 run and go play another asinine statement..... "Brady has never won when he had to carry a team"..smh...neither has Manning, the only superbowl he won, his defense and running game played better than him. So you agree about Brady? You just think it applies to manning as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So you agree about Brady? You just think it applies to manning as well? I'm basically saying because of your whole premise n the fact you're trying real hard to down grade Brady's accomplishments...also given what forum I'm in. I'm done debating w you because you are clearly bias against anything N.E. So no need to waste my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Brady is a system qb who has had success in the league riding the back of a great coach, defense and running game. He's never won when he's had to carry the team. Brady is a system quarterback? LOL Tom Brady has been on the cutting edge of NFL offenses that have revolutionized the NFL and then changed again into something entirely different the following season to do it all over again. Most potent NFL offenses are based on what Tom Brady was running two years before, at any given time, and that was true with the spread offense to the double TE attack. Peyton adopted his no huddle rushing attack last year, w/ adding Wes Welker, after getting roflstomped by it in New England in 2012. It's Peyton that has virtually been playing in the same exact `system` his entire career. The Patriot offense basically NEVER looks the same, and changes every single season, often into something night-and-day from what it was before. System QB, my ass. That's another term that people use without having any idea what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The cutting edge of NFL offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Sweet merciful christ. Since moving out of Boston I almost forgot how grossly they deify Brady and Belichick. It's almost as intolerable as their use of the word wicked or hatred of minorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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