nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I appreciate the needed atmosphere change and the success he had in 2009 and 2010. But 2010 is 5 years ago. And in those 5 years, all of Rex's deficiencies have been exposed. The guy can talk a good game, and coach a good defense, but that doesn't make him a great head coach. Rex had one awful year and that was 2014 when his Gm was sabotaging him. when he had the talent he won and even when he didn't he kept us in contention in '12 and '13. he's far from a perfect coach but he did a damn good job for us considering he never had an elite QB. Look at the great BB and what he has done w/o Brady. you need the players to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 he kept us in contention in '12 wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 wat we were in the race into December in 2012. that was a miracle w/ that team. we should have been done in September like last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 we were in the race into December in 2012. that was a miracle w/ that team. we should have been done in September like last year. We entered December at 4-7 and were eliminated on the 17th, with two games to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We entered December at 4-7 and were eliminated on the 17th, with two games to go. You know, in contention in a way that "miracle" worker Rex Ryan could work his way out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 You know, in contention in a way that "miracle" worker Rex Ryan could work his way out of. That magical 8-day period when we were 6-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 From December 11, 2011 thru the end of the 2014 season, Rex Ryan's Jets went 26-41. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I feel like I'm on ginseng and dexatrim seeing Rex in Buffalo Bills colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We entered December at 4-7 and were eliminated on the 17th, with two games to go. and we got to 6-7 and were very much alive in the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 From December 11, 2011 thru the end of the 2014 season, Rex Ryan's Jets went 26-41. that means more than having 2 chances to play for the right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Only Jet fans, it's why we can't win. we don't appreciate anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 if the Bills can score any points at all this season they are going to be good. that team is loaded with talent. It's a tough spot for Rex, he has no QB and the expectations are for 10+ wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 if the Bills can score any points at all Not so fast, commodore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We entered December at 4-7 and were eliminated on the 17th, with two games to go. And? That was a "miracle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 that means more than having 2 chances to play for the right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Only Jet fans, it's why we can't win. we don't appreciate anything. Actually he gets credit for those two years but yes, it does mean more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 that means more than having 2 chances to play for the right to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Only Jet fans, it's why we can't win. we don't appreciate anything. You prefer to look at ancient history. I prefer to look at what is relevant. His 26-41 finish to his tenure here is more reflective of his overall performance than those trophy-less 2009 & '10 seasons, when we spent heavily in free agency to field a team. It makes those first couple seasons look awfully flukey when he failed to have sustained success. His defense took the league by storm in year 1, the team brought in a ton of pricey talent in year 2, then it all bottomed out when Rex's schemes were figured out and cap hell took a toll. And yes, as much as people like to rip on the front offices here, it was pretty clear Rex had a big part in those spending sprees. And yes, I don't appreciate those playoff runs, because sustained success is actually what we should be going for, not just a 2-year window where it's Super Bowl or bust (especially when the keys to the team were handed to a rookie QB). We should prefer to be the type of franchise that is a perennial playoff team, maybe getting to the Super Bowl once every decade or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 You prefer to look at ancient history. I prefer to look at what is relevant. His 26-41 finish to his career is more reflective of his tenure than those trophy-less 2009 & '10 seasons, when we spent heavily in free agency to field a team. It makes those first couple seasons look awfully flukey when he failed to have sustained success. that was more of a GM, talent acquisition problem than a HC problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 that was more of a GM, talent acquisition problem than a HC problem. Rex had plenty to do with that. Blaming 2 different GM's is cool and all but with all the players that came through to play for Rex Ryan, he went 6 years without a trophy of any kind (0 division titles or AFC titles), and the final 4 without playoff appearances. That's damning evidence that he's not fit to be a Head Coach in the NFL. He became the common denominator and deserved to get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Rex had plenty to do with that. Blaming 2 different GM's is cool and all but with all the players that came through to play for Rex Ryan, he went 6 years without a trophy of any kind (0 division titles or AFC titles), and the final 4 without playoff appearances. That's damning evidence that he's not fit to be a Head Coach in the NFL. He became the common denominator and deserved to get fired. oh so you would have preferred div titles in 2009 and 2010(w/ fake trophies that they don't hand out) and lose before the title game rather than 2 chances to play for the SB? Tom Coughlin has missed the playoffs 5 of 6 years. before he won the SB in 2007 he had missed 4 straight postseasons never winning more than 7 games in that stretch. I guess that was damning evidence that he wasn't fit to be a HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 oh so you would have preferred div titles in 2009 and 2010(w/ fake trophies that they don't hand out) and lose before the title game rather than 2 chances to play for the SB? Tom Coughlin has missed the playoffs 5 of 6 years. before he won the SB in 2007 he had missed 4 straight postseasons never winning more than 7 games in that stretch. I guess that was damning evidence that he wasn't fit to be a HC? Coughlin won a Super Bowl (and then another) without promising one. Rex promised a Super Bowl and whiffed on 6 chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 go for a walk outside with good, chill people until it wears off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 that was more of a GM, talent acquisition problem than a HC problem. Based on the way the Bills have behaved in the personnel department since hiring Rex suggests Rex was very much involved in the same area when he was the HC of the NYJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Rex had plenty to do with that. Blaming 2 different GM's is cool and all but with all the players that came through to play for Rex Ryan, he went 6 years without a trophy of any kind (0 division titles or AFC titles), and the final 4 without playoff appearances. That's damning evidence that he's not fit to be a Head Coach in the NFL. He became the common denominator and deserved to get fired. Rex sucks at personnel evaluation, and should not have a hand in it. But because he worked under two unqualified GMs here, he had a significant amount of input. It was more clear under Tannenbaum, who was willing to buy what Rex wanted. Under Idzik, who refused to open the purse strings, the impact was significantly less. Team Rex up with a solid personnel-side GM, one who drafts and spends in free agency based on his scouts' reports and not the head coach's whims, and you would probably have a solid NFL organization. The Bills GM, however, does seem to've pandered to Rex so far. Not a good sign for the franchise. I still think they'll have a good first year under Rex. The players will love playing for him after the disciplinarian OL coach who walked put on them. The haters of all things Rex like to dismiss it, but there's something to players wanting to perform for a coach they love. It's not a long term thing, I get that, but he's a guy who can get a good roster over the hump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Rex sucks at personnel evaluation, and should not have a hand in it. But because he worked under two unqualified GMs here, he had a significant amount of input. It was more clear under Tannenbaum, who was willing to buy what Rex wanted. Under Idzik, who refused to open the purse strings, the impact was significantly less. Team Rex up with a solid personnel-side GM, one who drafts and spends in free agency based on his scouts' reports and not the head coach's whims, and you would probably have a solid NFL organization. The Bills GM, however, does seem to've pandered to Rex so far. Not a good sign for the franchise. I still think they'll have a good first year under Rex. The players will love playing for him after the disciplinarian OL coach who walked put on them. The haters of all things Rex like to dismiss it, but there's something to players wanting to perform for a coach they love. It's not a long term thing, I get that, but he's a guy who can get a good roster over the hump. I think the only GM's who would be willing to hire Rex at this point are the ones who aren't smart enough to keep him out of personnel decisions. The same aspect of Rex's personality that makes him "magnetic" also makes him a poor fit for a GM willing to include him heavily in important decisions. An inept talent evaluator just has no place as a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Coughlin won a Super Bowl (and then another) without promising one. Rex promised a Super Bowl and whiffed on 6 chances. prior to his 1st SB he missed 4 straight postseasons and never won more than 7 games. coughlin's teams got better breaks than rex's. look at the 2010 Jets vs. 2011 Giants. we get a forward pass called a fumble returned for a TD, they have an obvious fumble whistled dead that would have ended the game. That had nothing to do w/ coaching. Coughlin is a good HC and so is rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Based on the way the Bills have behaved in the personnel department since hiring Rex suggests Rex was very much involved in the same area when he was the HC of the NYJ. we rarely had any off the field issues w/ Rex until Idzik came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Rex sucks at personnel evaluation, and should not have a hand in it. But because he worked under two unqualified GMs here, he had a significant amount of input. It was more clear under Tannenbaum, who was willing to buy what Rex wanted. Under Idzik, who refused to open the purse strings, the impact was significantly less. Team Rex up with a solid personnel-side GM, one who drafts and spends in free agency based on his scouts' reports and not the head coach's whims, and you would probably have a solid NFL organization. The Bills GM, however, does seem to've pandered to Rex so far. Not a good sign for the franchise. I still think they'll have a good first year under Rex. The players will love playing for him after the disciplinarian OL coach who walked put on them. The haters of all things Rex like to dismiss it, but there's something to players wanting to perform for a coach they love. It's not a long term thing, I get that, but he's a guy who can get a good roster over the hump. every coach will have a hand in it, rex never had final say here, he had input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think the only GM's who would be willing to hire Rex at this point are the ones who aren't smart enough to keep him out of personnel decisions. The same aspect of Rex's personality that makes him "magnetic" also makes him a poor fit for a GM willing to include him heavily in important decisions. An inept talent evaluator just has no place as a HC. Team's have scouting departments to handle talent evaluation. They have departments that scout pro players, and college players. Those departments have directors, and those directors report to GMs. College seasons run concurrently to pro seasons, and it's probably best that an NFL head coach isn't watching college football on Saturdays. He has another job. The only talent he really needs to evaluate is the talent he has on his roster. Head coaches should be involved as to what they're looking for in a player (zone CB vs. man, 3-4 or 4-3 personnel, big WR speed guys, etc.), while the professionals handle who fits the coach's criteria. Then the HC whittles down the 90 or so guys he has to work with down to 53. Pretty much the way our team now operates. And Rex was pretty good on that front. Pretty short list of players he cut who went on to have success elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 prior to his 1st SB he missed 4 straight postseasons and never won more than 7 games. coughlin's teams got better breaks than rex's. look at the 2010 Jets vs. 2011 Giants. we get a forward pass called a fumble returned for a TD, they have an obvious fumble whistled dead that would have ended the game. That had nothing to do w/ coaching. Coughlin is a good HC and so is rex. Two super bowl rings makes all the difference, the giants entered the playoffs just as the jets did and won their two super bowl. The jets got to the biggest game in year and years and failed, in big part of the defense. Even one superbowl ring gives you plenty of leeway , two gives you more rope than you should get. The problem is when people think that The success of the two afc title game teams was all because of rex. Rex is a lousy head football coach. D coach? Pretty good. Does he have about 1/2 of the things you need to be a good head coach? Yes, but his deficiencies are glaring and he has never acknowledged them or tried to improve in any meaningful way. Also a little think about Coughlin, he went to two AFC title games with Jacksonville as well and had an expansion team win 49 games in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Two super bowl rings makes all the difference, the giants entered the playoffs just as the jets did and won their two super bowl. The jets got to the biggest game in year and years and failed, in big part of the defense. Even one superbowl ring gives you plenty of leeway , two gives you more rope than you should get. The problem is when people think that The success of the two afc title game teams was all because of rex. Rex is a lousy head football coach. D coach? Pretty good. Does he have about 1/2 of the things you need to be a good head coach? Yes, but his deficiencies are glaring and he has never acknowledged them or tried to improve in any meaningful way. Also a little think about Coughlin, he went to two AFC title games with Jacksonville as well and had an expansion team win 49 games in 5 years. again, prior to that he had 2 title games(like Rex) then 4 straight playoffless seasons(like Rex) so using your logic he had no business being a coach by the time 2007 rolled around. we had a similar team in 2008 w/ a future HOF QB, an easier schedule and no Tom Brady to worry about and we couldn't make the playoffs. You're damn right rex was the difference. let's knock off the expansion team stuff, Carolina and Jacksonville were set from the start b/c the league didn't want a '76 Bucs situation. Both Carolina and Jax made title games in year 2 and Carolina won 12 games(while Jax 9). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 "let's knock off the expansion team stuff, Carolina and Jacksonville were set from the start b/c the league didn't want a '76 Bucs situation. Both Carolina and Jax made title games in year 2 and Carolina won 12 games(while Jax 9)." What sheer and utter nonsense. Those teams were given more favorable starting conditions to other expansions teams but the results they both pulled off were very impressive. this is simply yet another case of downgrading one team or coaches accomplishments to make your look better. Rex Ryan has had 4 straight years of going downward, 4 years in which he had a fairly big hand in the make up of the team (other than the last year) It's unfathomable to me to see people who ignore rex's biggest foibles. Usually bad performances coming off bye weeks. Keep inferior coaches because he is familiar with them. A total lack of knowledge of the offensive side of the ball and the players that are on that side. He is a person that basically has no accountability and lots of excuses when it comes to his own performance Rex is a good, not great D coach (Great coaches make chicken salad out of chicken shi*), Rex was unable to function well without all pro corners. Rex is an excellent motivator in the short term and most players like him. He is not a good head football coach, this is not to say he has not had his moments you don't get to title games by fluke but he is the epitome of a guy that people love to heap praise on for the good results but totally ignore the bad ones. He is simply a l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 "let's knock off the expansion team stuff, Carolina and Jacksonville were set from the start b/c the league didn't want a '76 Bucs situation. Both Carolina and Jax made title games in year 2 and Carolina won 12 games(while Jax 9)." What sheer and utter nonsense. Those teams were given more favorable starting conditions to other expansions teams but the results they both pulled off were very impressive. this is simply yet another case of downgrading one team or coaches accomplishments to make your look better. Rex Ryan has had 4 straight years of going downward, 4 years in which he had a fairly big hand in the make up of the team (other than the last year) It's unfathomable to me to see people who ignore rex's biggest foibles. Usually bad performances coming off bye weeks. Keep inferior coaches because he is familiar with them. A total lack of knowledge of the offensive side of the ball and the players that are on that side. He is a person that basically has no accountability and lots of excuses when it comes to his own performance Rex is a good, not great D coach (Great coaches make chicken salad out of chicken shi*), Rex was unable to function well without all pro corners. Rex is an excellent motivator in the short term and most players like him. He is not a good head football coach, this is not to say he has not had his moments you don't get to title games by fluke but he is the epitome of a guy that people love to heap praise on for the good results but totally ignore the bad ones. He is simply a l stop it. half the teams in the league would have started over and taken the advantages those 2 teams had. they were not real expansion teams. Rex had 4 straight years of going down? 8-8 6-10 8-8 4-12 looks like up, down, up, down to me. Coughlin was more consistent, he went: 7-9 6-10 6-10 6-10 I remember the biggest win since SB III the great BB had a bye week and tom Brady and Rex and his team whooped them. opening games which are like bye weeks w/ extra time to prepare he was 5-1 w/ the lone loss being by 1 pt. rex is a damn good coach, he has his faults but so do all coaches. Jet fans treat him like he was Rich Kotite, it is beyond ridiculous and why we don't deserve a winner. we have no appreciation for the limited success we have. again, in 2-3 years when Bowles is gone we'll all bash Bowles and praise the new guy. it's the way things work around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Team's have scouting departments to handle talent evaluation. They have departments that scout pro players, and college players. Those departments have directors, and those directors report to GMs. College seasons run concurrently to pro seasons, and it's probably best that an NFL head coach isn't watching college football on Saturdays. He has another job. The only talent he really needs to evaluate is the talent he has on his roster. Head coaches should be involved as to what they're looking for in a player (zone CB vs. man, 3-4 or 4-3 personnel, big WR speed guys, etc.), while the professionals handle who fits the coach's criteria. Then the HC whittles down the 90 or so guys he has to work with down to 53. Pretty much the way our team now operates. And Rex was pretty good on that front. Pretty short list of players he cut who went on to have success elsewhere. And it seems a pretty good number of players that the Jets cut, he seems to want to grab up. Tells me he was not force fed players he did not want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 stop it. half the teams in the league would have started over and taken the advantages those 2 teams had. they were not real expansion teams. Rex had 4 straight years of going down? 8-8 6-10 8-8 4-12 looks like up, down, up, down to me. Coughlin was more consistent, he went: 7-9 6-10 6-10 6-10 I remember the biggest win since SB III the great BB had a bye week and tom Brady and Rex and his team whooped them. opening games which are like bye weeks w/ extra time to prepare he was 5-1 w/ the lone loss being by 1 pt. rex is a damn good coach, he has his faults but so do all coaches. Jet fans treat him like he was Rich Kotite, it is beyond ridiculous and why we don't deserve a winner. we have no appreciation for the limited success we have. again, in 2-3 years when Bowles is gone we'll all bash Bowles and praise the new guy. it's the way things work around here 46-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 stop it. half the teams in the league would have started over and taken the advantages those 2 teams had. they were not real expansion teams. Rex had 4 straight years of going down? 8-8 6-10 8-8 4-12 looks like up, down, up, down to me. Coughlin was more consistent, he went: 7-9 6-10 6-10 6-10 I remember the biggest win since SB III the great BB had a bye week and tom Brady and Rex and his team whooped them. opening games which are like bye weeks w/ extra time to prepare he was 5-1 w/ the lone loss being by 1 pt. rex is a damn good coach, he has his faults but so do all coaches. Jet fans treat him like he was Rich Kotite, it is beyond ridiculous and why we don't deserve a winner. we have no appreciation for the limited success we have. again, in 2-3 years when Bowles is gone we'll all bash Bowles and praise the new guy. it's the way things work around here i don't read the board frequently enough to know whether we're all being troll'd or if this guy is for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 46-50 only coach in Jets history to reach 2 title games. only had 2 losing seasons in 6 seasons, check how many we had in the previous 49 years. 4 playoff wins- most in NYJ history(next best has 2) 4 road playoff wins- we had 3 total road playoff wins in previous 49 years. 2 title game apps- no other coach in NYJ history has more than 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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