slats Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 yup that's why you lock him up now and don't wait for the "money games" or whatever you want to call the last three games to be played. Do it now while you have exclusive negotiating rights. No, you wait. Fitz is coming off three solid games against three weak defenses. Before that he had two very rough games against much better defenses. Was his injury a factor against Buffalo and Houston? Maybe, but I definitely want to see how he finishes the season against tougher competition (including two division rivals he's already lost to) before committing to him as the starter going forward. And Fitz will want to wait, too, unless the Jets are backing up the Brinks truck. Why would he take a below market value deal before finding out what the market for him is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 No, you wait. Fitz is coming off three solid games against three weak defenses. Before that he had two very rough games against much better defenses. Was his injury a factor against Buffalo and Houston? Maybe, but I definitely want to see how he finishes the season against tougher competition (including two division rivals he's already lost to) before committing to him as the starter going forward. And Fitz will want to wait, too, unless the Jets are backing up the Brinks truck. Why would he take a below market value deal before finding out what the market for him is? wait you are making too much sense here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 btw, only Jets fans would preclaim, without any sense of the loltastic, that a guy who may have just set their franchise TD passing record......must be cut if he wants more then the Veteran minimum. Meanwhile, we have fans who to this moment want to start and lock up Geno Smith long term, whatever it takes, because of his potential. Some days I think we Jets Fans get exactly what we deserve. hyperbole to the extreme...wanting to see what Geno could do on his 3rd year with this coordinator and weapons makes sense, but I have nor seen one person state we should extend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Lobtw, only Jets fans would preclaim, without any sense of the loltastic, that a guy who may have just set their franchise TD passing record......must be cut if he wants more then the Veteran minimum. Meanwhile, we have fans who to this moment want to start and lock up Geno Smith long term, whatever it takes, because of his potential. Some days I think we Jets Fans get exactly what we deserve. hyperbole to the extreme...wanting to see what Geno could do on his 3rd year with this coordinator and weapons makes sense, but I have nor seen one person state we should extend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Lots of fans too eager to ignore the historical precedent with this QB and the exact same coordinator against a weak schedule and repeat history and offer big dollars when it is not the QB, but the system. Extending Fitz as a starter will end badly and set back the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heights212 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Any QB that's "middle of the pack" will come with their share of problems. Actually, any QB not in the top 5 will pretty much come with their share of problems. Identifying them yet seeing the numbers kinda shows you what he can do in spite of the obvious. If Denver builds a 53 man roster and not go the "Colts" route of putting everything on the QB then his problems can be managed with scheme, talent and coaching. Projecting future success isn't as easy as prorating numbers from a small sample size. Kubiak didn't even declare Osweiller the starter in today's presser. That due is no small part of his recent struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Projecting future success isn't as easy as prorating numbers from a small sample size. Kubiak didn't even declare Osweiller the starter in today's presser. That due is no small part of his recent struggles. How do you declare Osweiller the starter when you have arguably the greatest QB in history on your roster? And even with his physical decline, his mind is still the best QB mind in the history of the game. If you dont have to declare a starter than you dont. You are right, you cant project the future, but what im saying is that even with his struggles statistically he's doing middle of the pack work for a guy who was as back up. You can go one of two ways, either forward or backward, but for what its worth its a pretty good start and opportunity for the guy to get his feet wet. He's playing December football, hasnt accumulated a losing record and has not blown a playoff opportunity. Kubiak is doing what a coach is supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heights212 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 How do you declare Osweiller the starter when you have arguably the greatest QB in history on your roster? And even with his physical decline, his mind is still the best QB mind in the history of the game. If you dont have to declare a starter than you dont. You are right, you cant project the future, but what im saying is that even with his struggles statistically he's doing middle of the pack work for a guy who was as back up. You can go one of two ways, either forward or backward, but for what its worth its a pretty good start and opportunity for the guy to get his feet wet. He's playing December football, hasnt accumulated a losing record and has not blown a playoff opportunity. Kubiak is doing what a coach is supposed to do. You would declare Osweiller the starter if he had played reasonably well. It's not even a decision if that's the case as Peyton has been terrible, and you'd like to see what the kid can do if he actually view him as a future option. I just don't see how anyone could say he's a lock to be back in Denver. Maybe he will but at the very least Denver is going to need a veteran to pair with him. You're not letting that veteran roster sink or swim with a major unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Lots of fans too eager to ignore the historical precedent with this QB and the exact same coordinator against a weak schedule and repeat history and offer big dollars when it is not the QB, but the system. Extending Fitz as a starter will end badly and set back the organization. Yes and No. He should be extended as the right now guy waiting for the heir apparent. not paid like a franchise guy because he is not. But he is the best QB on the roster and moving forward until he is not. Losing him after this season does not make the jets better. Signing him to an expensive franchise QB contract is also a bad move. The solution is in the middle. Enough money that he is happy and stays at the same time providing us the ability to find our guy for the future. My guess is he has a bad showing against pats and Buffalo or both and the board decides to cut him now. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 You would declare Osweiller the starter if he had played reasonably well. It's not even a decision if that's the case as Peyton has been terrible, and you'd like to see what the kid can do if he actually view him as a future option. I just don't see how anyone could say he's a lock to be back in Denver. Maybe he will but at the very least Denver is going to need a veteran to pair with him. You're not letting that veteran roster sink or swim with a major unknown. If you want to put it that way. You can also put it that Peyton Manning is their starter that was injured. If there is a possibility that he can start then why declare Osweiler? Now if there is no way Peyton can start yet they're considering going with their 3rd string QB then you absolutely have a point here, but is that actually the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes and No. He should be extended as the right now guy waiting for the heir apparent. not paid like a franchise guy because he is not. But he is the best QB on the roster and moving forward until he is not. Losing him after this season does not make the jets better. Signing him to an expensive franchise QB contract is also a bad move. The solution is in the middle. Enough money that he is happy and stays at the same time providing us the ability to find our guy for the future. My guess is he has a bad showing against pats and Buffalo or both and the board decides to cut him now. LOL This ^ Fitz is loved here until his next bad game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Here's Jason's take - but written a month ago: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets Fitzpatrick is the ultimate NFL journeyman quarterback. In the last four years he has started at least 8 games for four different teams- the Bills, Titans, Texans, and Jets. He’s also been effectively cut from three of those teams (he was cut by Buffalo and Tennessee and then traded by Houston). Fitzpatrick is having the best season of his career since 2011 when he turned a fast start in Buffalo into a rather large extension, but even if Fitzpatrick were to make the playoffs it won’t change the fact that he is a 34 year old journeyman with no dominant physical trait who has played with seven teams in the NFL. The current top market player for Fitzpatrick type of player is Brian Hoyer at $5.25 million a season. Hoyer is 30. On the older end the top market is Josh McCown at $4.7 million. Both players were signed with the idea they would probably start, but it was not a given that they would be the starter. That has been the situation with Fitzpatrick for the last three seasons and will likely continue for a fourth year. Fitzpatrick should land a job with any team in the NFL that has questions at the position and no chance to draft or trade for another player. He could also be the highest paid backup for a team like Dallas, but he seems to want a spot where he can compete as a starter. The Jets would seem to be the team most likely to retain him, but one would expect them to explore the market before making a two year commitment to Fitzpatrick. If not the Jets expect Fitzpatrick to get a close look by some of the teams rumored to be trading their starter to be a one or two year stopgap starter. Predicted Value: 2 Years, $10-11.5 million I think if he continues to play at this level, it will push his deal into the 2/16 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 This ^ Fitz is loved here until his next bad game. LMAO....spit beer out reading this. Having great games vs Giants & Titans does not a contract make,lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I would love to see Fitz signed to an incentive laden 2 year 8 million dollar deal that could increase with PT/Performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 $5 Million per. Perhaps with escalators. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It may not be that much of a gamble. averaging his numbers out right now if he played an entire 16 week season his numbers would be 3,648 16TD's 9INT's. Thats about mid pack, which is good enough when you have a defense that can help. Brock "Rockweiler" could be a young upcoming star. Uh-oh. Villain sees star potential in a young backup QB. This forum is in deep trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Uh-oh. Villain sees star potential in a young backup QB. This forum is in deep trouble Especially when we were told it was pretty dumb to do the same with Fitz's 12 games last year to predict what his 16 game numbers would be: -23 TDs -11 INTs -3310 YDs So actually it would've been dumb to do that. It would've grossly underestimated Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Fitz is interviewing for his next job (Dallas #2 behind "Like an Egg Back There Romo") Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 it is moot because Mac recognises the value even an average to slightly above average NFL starter brings and will pay fitz and there will be a lot of sad faces around here about "overpaying" We'll pay him what we paid Vick, with some incentives. A couple extra years to make it look like more and we'll all be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Uh-oh. Villain sees star potential in a young backup QB. This forum is in deep trouble I didnt say I seen anything, I said "could". Jet fans see "bust" in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 agreed. Luckily the teams with the worst qb situations shouldn't be driving up Fitz's market value: Texans - drafting a qb plus FO would be admitting they made a huge mistake Skins - stick with cousins if they make playoffs Browns - stick with Manziel Phins - too much $ tied up in tannehill Saints - will draft a qb if they trade or cut Brees 49ers - will draft a qb titans - stick with Mariota 1 more season Cowboys - too much $ in Romo Eagles - don't know what they'll do but I doubt Fitz is what they want I think the Rams are our only competition for Fitz and they might decide to draft a qb or try out Kaepernick after he gets cut. The Rams might be moving out of St.Louis. No way Fitz will sign with a team, move his family for the 7th time not knowing if their moving for the 8th time. Dude wants stability for his family & himself, he'll sign for between 6/7 million with incentives for 2 years with a 3rd year option that has no effect on our salary cap, (no dead money if he's cut). Two years of stability in the NFL guaranteed, 2 years with a coach & team your very happy with is gold. No way he would take a little more to QB a sh*t team like the 49ers or the Rams, who have gotten every QB injured so far this year. Fitz also knows that the Jets will try to upgrade the Oline as they are getting older. This is the best spot for him & he's a smart man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 The Rams might be moving out of St.Louis. No way Fitz will sign with a team, move his family for the 7th time not knowing if their moving for the 8th time. Dude wants stability for his family & himself, he'll sign for between 6/7 million with incentives for 2 years with a 3rd year option that has no effect on our salary cap, (no dead money if he's cut). Two years of stability in the NFL guaranteed, 2 years with a coach & team your very happy with is gold. No way he would take a little more to QB a sh*t team like the 49ers or the Rams, who have gotten every QB injured so far this year. Fitz also knows that the Jets will try to upgrade the Oline as they are getting older. This is the best spot for him & he's a smart man. plus were fitz to deliver s Super Bowl to the jets that's probably worth 100 million dollars and lifetime hero status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Fitzpatrick is rated higher this year than players like Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Jay Cutler and Alex Smith. Those guys have contracts in the 15-20 million dollar range cap hit per year. Now he of course isn't better than those guys, given his career history, but this is the NFL, you pay for what you see. There is no way we are getting him for less than 10 million per year with the type of production he has given us this year, its just not going to happen. A disaster would have to happen in the next two games for his numbers to perilously drop below 2 digits and quite honestly the demand is going to be skyhigh for a reliable qb given the absolute paucity of qbs in this league. Forget about elite qbs, there are very very few mediocre ones this year. Its also apparently a pretty poor draft class as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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