Jet Nut Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said: I don't think he is clueless, I got to SF a lot for business and talk to a lot of people about football, Harbough completely turned that franchise around, and yes, Kap was his hand picked guy, and Harbough was very disappoitned with him in 14. There were a lot of issues, but a lot of them were around Kap, even internally, because not everyone was for getting rid of Smith in their FO. Never, ever have seen him blame Kaep. Why on earth would you run because after going to the SB he was disappointed a year later. He was fighting publicly with ownership. They didn't offer him an extension. Had nothing to do with Kaep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, BowlesMovement said: I heard from a guy that you think Mo Wilk should not be traded for a first, but should be traded for Kaep, any trooph to it? I would trade Mo Wilk for Kap any day of the week and resign Harrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I don't think he'd cost all that much. Too many questions floating around right now. The contract is a one year issue, I would think it can be dealt with. i just don't get completely writing of a 20something QB who took a his team to a CG and then won a CG and got to a SB. How many of those have we had on the roster? At the end of the day, I kind of trust Mac to make the right decision, based on scouting. If he believes Kaep is worth getting, I am fine with it, if not, I am also fine with it too. None of us are scouts, and none of us are any more than fans. Our best hope is that we finally have a FO that knows what they are doing, and they do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Never, ever have seen him blame Kaep. Why on earth would you run because after going to the SB he was disappointed a year later. He was fighting publicly with ownership. They didn't offer him an extension. Had nothing to do with Kaep What they say is a huge part of the reason they fought internally was over Kaep, they did not want to get rid of Smith once he showed promise, and they accepted it when it was going well, but when he regressed after the huge contract, it led to a lot of internal conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said: At the end of the day, I kind of trust Mac to make the right decision, based on scouting. If he believes Kaep is worth getting, I am fine with it, if not, I am also fine with it too. None of us are scouts, and none of us are any more than fans. Our best hope is that we finally have a FO that knows what they are doing, and they do it right. Agree we all want to win,thats the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: At the end of the day, I kind of trust Mac to make the right decision, based on scouting. If he believes Kaep is worth getting, I am fine with it, if not, I am also fine with it too. None of us are scouts, and none of us are any more than fans. Our best hope is that we finally have a FO that knows what they are doing, and they do it right. Have to think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: I would trade Mo Wilk for Kap any day of the week and resign Harrison. Thats cool, personally, I am glad you are not our GM though, even though it would be pretty cool if our GM posted on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: At the end of the day, I kind of trust Mac to make the right decision, based on scouting. If he believes Kaep is worth getting, I am fine with it, if not, I am also fine with it too. None of us are scouts, and none of us are any more than fans. Our best hope is that we finally have a FO that knows what they are doing, and they do it right. So true....... Bbig change for Jets fans..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Im all in for Kap I have no faith in Fitz we saw his best last year and that still wasn't enough to get us in the playoffs let alone win a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 The problem with Kap is his cap space .http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/colin-kaepernick/. Plus if you traded for him you basically have to commit the organization to a new Qb. In other words another rebuilding year. And this guy is coming off a bad year where he was replaced by another failed Qb who wasn't even that good. He couldn't beat out Blaine Gabbert. I keep Wilk or take the highest bid but only draft picks not players. btw the 49ers GM recently said they would keep Kap but if you read what he said it wasn't really keep him for the season it was keep him past April 1. I think that's the reason Kap's agent requested a trade. They don't think the org really intends to keep him around. Please Mac, don't trade for this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said: What they say is a huge part of the reason they fought internally was over Kaep, they did not want to get rid of Smith once he showed promise, and they accepted it when it was going well, but when he regressed after the huge contract, it led to a lot of internal conflict. Face it your friend knows Kaeps struggled and is more than likely gone. He's pissed he lost Harbaugh and is blaming the guy who's on his way out. And there is no guarantee they win anything had Harbaugh kept Smith as his starter. The thing that makes the most sense, losing players and then the HC who groomed you, ran an offense suited to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: I heard from a guy that you think Mo Wilk should not be traded for a first, but should be traded for Kaep, any trooph to it? Must be your same San Fran friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Face it your friend knows Kaeps struggled and is more than likely gone. He's pissed he lost Harbaugh and is blaming the guy who's on his way out. And there is no guarantee they win anything had Harbaugh kept Smith as his starter. The thing that makes the most sense, losing players and then the HC who groomed you, ran an offense suited to you. Why did so many 49ers players retire? Theres more to the story here. An organization in turmoil to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, Jet Nut said: Face it your friend knows Kaeps struggled and is more than likely gone. He's pissed he lost Harbaugh and is blaming the guy who's on his way out. And there is no guarantee they win anything had Harbaugh kept Smith as his starter. The thing that makes the most sense, losing players and then the HC who groomed you, ran an offense suited to you. Certainly possible, but honestly, I kind of don't care too much about the 49ers. I don't have a very high opinion of Kaep, so I tend to believe them, but as I mentioned before, if Mac believes in him, I will too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, SenorGato said: Must be your same San Fran friend. Nah, he could not even spell Mo, or Senor, or Gato, so definitely not him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Kaep would give us the best QB option we have had in many many years he's a contender not a pretender, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: This guy gets it! Agreed, under Gailey's tutelage, Kaep could absolutely shine. I know Fitz had a great season last year but the end result was the same for his career; NO PLAYOFFS. And that was with the best time he has ever played with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I don't think he'd cost all that much. Too many questions floating around right now. The contract is a one year issue, I would think it can be dealt with. i just don't get completely writing of a 20something QB who took a his team to a CG and then won a CG and got to a SB. How many of those have we had on the roster? You also fervently supported Geno as the future of the franchise so your confusion is unsurprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Kaep would give us the best QB option we have had in many many years he's a contender not a pretender, Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Kaep would give us the best QB option we have had in many many years he's a contender not a pretender, Remember Ronnie Brown running the wildcat in 2008? That's what Kaep was in 2012: A gimmick that was figured out quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said: You also fervently supported Geno as the future of the franchise so your confusion is unsurprising. No, I'm always confused by how many don't know the difference between wanting to see someone play with an actual WR group worth having and fervently supporting someone as the future of this franchise. You go knock yourself out and find that post. You would think it wouldn't be that hard. That all the asswipes who then talk as if every player they thought should play became pro ball players. Becuase we all know you never miss when it comes to evaluating players. Why the most clueless shoot their mouth off the most is confusing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, JetBlue said: Agreed, under Gailey's tutelage, Kaep could absolutely shine. I know Fitz had a great season last year but the end result was the same for his career; NO PLAYOFFS. And that was with the best time he has ever played with... Gailey almost had Fitz in the playoffs if it werent for the 3 INTS in a row,imagine what he would turn Kaep into to, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Remember Ronnie Brown running the wildcat in 2008? That's what Kaep was in 2012: A gimmick that was figured out quickly. How quickly? He put up similar enough numbers in 2013. While losing most of his WRs to injury. he sucked under Tomossulo, who ran a completely different offense, refused to run the offense that Harbaugh did. No one figured anything out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 All of those 3 picks were in the 4th quarter (and two in the last 2 minutes) because they were playing from behind. Not that it was a good effort by Fitz but in that kind of a situation there are percentage wise more interceptions. But Fitz did put us in a position to win the game despite a below average performance and a bad 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Gailey almost had Fitz in the playoffs if it werent for the 3 INTS in a row,imagine what he would turn Kaep into to, I agree. While his stats may or may not be as good; he provides that X factor and is true threat with his arm or his legs. He also would make Devin Smith a real threat because he could get the ball to him deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 9 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Remember Ronnie Brown running the wildcat in 2008? That's what Kaep was in 2012: A gimmick that was figured out quickly. Yeah, it only took 29 games and a SB run before Kaepernick's simple gimmick of both running and strong passing was had. Exactly the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: All of those 3 picks were in the 4th quarter (and two in the last 2 minutes) because they were playing from behind. Not that it was a good effort by Fitz but in that kind of a situation there are percentage wise more interceptions. But Fitz did put us in a position to win the game despite a below average performance and a bad 4th quarter. And there in lies the problem with Fitz. He is great with a lead but if he falls behind, he really stuggles because defenses know he can't beat them deep. He had a great season last year and if he is resigned I will again root for him, but if we have a chance to get a talent like Kaep, I think we need to seriously explore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, JetBlue said: And there in lies the problem with Fitz. He is great with a lead but if he falls behind, he really stuggles because defenses know he can't be them deep. He had a great season last year and if he is resigned I will again root for him, but if we have a chance to get a talent like Kaep, I think we need to seriously explore it. I agree his weak arm is the reason he has never made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I disagree. It was one game and with a great impact play we might have won it. Good Qbs are dependent on their playmakers making plays when it counts. And the Bills D is pretty good. Rex imo did not get a great effort out of that team. Talent wise they were expected to be better than the Jets even with an inexperienced Qb starting. Actually he was not bad. And what you're looking for in a Qb is not available on the open market. There are no elite franchise Qbs available. Maybe Bradford and he's as flawed as the rest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, JetBlue said: Editing on mobile sucks for this site. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 9 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Yeah, it only took 29 games and a SB run before Kaepernick's simple gimmick of both running and strong passing was had. Exactly the same thing. And what's he done since he was figured out, and the foundation of their defense imploded? I'll wait for the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 We just watched a super bowl with a QB that couldn't throw worth sh*t. Give me a legit running game, a defense that can tackle and get to the QB and Fitz can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, sourceworx said: And what's he done since he was figured out, and the foundation of their defense imploded? I'll wait for the answer. One average season and one below average season, oh noes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, rillo said: We just watched a super bowl with a QB that couldn't throw worth sh*t. Give me a legit running game, a defense that can tackle and get to the QB and Fitz can win. yea well... we're not even close to a decent running game and an elite defense and by the time we get there Fitzgravy will be around 60 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, peebag said: yea well... we're not even close to a decent running game and an elite defense and by the time we get there Fitzgravy will be around 60 years old. Sadly I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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