#24 is only collecting paychecks at this point

[Guest]

Now you Jets fans understand why the Patriots did not re-sign him.

Also, look at the trade yesterday of Jamie Collins. If you are not a team player, and don't follow coaching, you are not a Patriots player.

As I have suggested in previous posts, perhaps if the Jets on slightly copied the Patriots organization their continuing decades long march to mediocrity might end.

[Matt39]

The Clady trade was totally and completely pointless

[RutgersJetFan]

4 minutes ago, Maine Coon Cat said:

As I have suggested in previous posts, perhaps if the Jets on slightly copied the Patriots organization their continuing decades long march to mediocrity might end.

They should try hiring one of their coaches. Like, one of the younger ones that's totally close with Belichick. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

13 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The Clady trade was totally and completely pointless

Depends who you ask.

[nyjunc]

27 minutes ago, Maine Coon Cat said:

Now you Jets fans understand why the Patriots did not re-sign him.

Also, look at the trade yesterday of Jamie Collins. If you are not a team player, and don't follow coaching, you are not a Patriots player.

As I have suggested in previous posts, perhaps if the Jets on slightly copied the Patriots organization their continuing decades long march to mediocrity might end.

he was a team player by all accounts, he was a major reason why they won that SB and why they failed to win again last year.  BB has the ultimate safety net in sports w/ Brady so he can move whoever he wants as long as Brady is healthy but all his maneuverings have cost NE at least another 2-3 SBs.

 

when we get a Brady we can copy what NE does, we tried w/ Mangini- how did that work?  BB has tried in Cle and NE w/.o Brady- how has that worked?

[Big Blocker]

33 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Depends who you ask.

Clady has not played well.  I understand why they got him.  But as of now this does not go down as a great move by the FO.

[ScarletKnight89]

21 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he was a team player by all accounts, he was a major reason why they won that SB and why they failed to win again last year.  BB has the ultimate safety net in sports w/ Brady so he can move whoever he wants as long as Brady is healthy but all his maneuverings have cost NE at least another 2-3 SBs.

 

when we get a Brady we can copy what NE does, we tried w/ Mangini- how did that work?  BB has tried in Cle and NE w/.o Brady- how has that worked?

He had an 11 win season the year Brady was lost in week 1 and was 3-1 this year without him.

Brady is an all time great and makes Bellichecks job so much easier. But Bellicheck has learned a lot since his time in Cleveland. He's a brilliant mind.

But to the point, having Brady makes it easier for BB to move other players. Because Brady is the constant. When Brady declines and is gone BB will have to take a different approach when it comes to the other players around his new QB.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

He had an 11 win season the year Brady was lost in week 1 and was 3-1 this year without him.

Brady is an all time great and makes Bellichecks job so much easier. But Bellicheck has learned a lot since his time in Cleveland. He's a brilliant mind.

But to the point, having Brady makes it easier for BB to move other players. Because Brady is the constant. When Brady declines and is gone BB will have to take a different approach when it comes to the other players around his new QB.

he has a career losing record w/o him and in 7 full seasons has ONE playoff app.  In 2008 they went from 16 reg season wins to 10 w/o him starting(Brady started one win) against incredibly weak sched where 1 win Miami team won 11 games and div title.  yep, they were 3-1 this year against 3 teams that aren't very good knowing TB was coming back week 4.  they are a little better now than the first 4 weeks, right?

 

"Brady is an all time great and makes Bellichecks job so much easier. But Bellicheck has learned a lot since his time in Cleveland. He's a brilliant mind."

 

I 1000% agree with this statement.

 

when Brady declines and is gone BB will be smart enough to retire.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

5 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Clady has not played well.  I understand why they got him.  But as of now this does not go down as a great move by the FO.

As of now. Always with the caveats. We love the way they do things but don't like the results it produces but this doesn't mean we just plain don't know what we're talking about because words.

[varjet]

Clady was fairly priced this year and is a functional LT.  He is not the reason the Jets are 3-5.

16 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Clady has not played well.  I understand why they got him.  But as of now this does not go down as a great move by the FO.

 

[Il Mostro]

16 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Revis will be lucky to be command 10 mil a season starting next yr.. No team is going to guarantee him beyond 1 yr. 

Remember, the Jets will be paying him $6 million.  He won't get the $15 million his current contract calls for, but Mevi$ will still score $$$ net signing with another team.  Uncle Sean taught him well.

[ScarletKnight89]

13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he has a career losing record w/o him and in 7 full seasons has ONE playoff app.  In 2008 they went from 16 reg season wins to 10 w/o him starting(Brady started one win) against incredibly weak sched where 1 win Miami team won 11 games and div title.  yep, they were 3-1 this year against 3 teams that aren't very good knowing TB was coming back week 4.  they are a little better now than the first 4 weeks, right?

 

"Brady is an all time great and makes Bellichecks job so much easier. But Bellicheck has learned a lot since his time in Cleveland. He's a brilliant mind."

 

I 1000% agree with this statement.

 

when Brady declines and is gone BB will be smart enough to retire.

They won 11 games after losing a star QB in week 1. That's still a very good job. Matt Cassell wasn't going to lead a team to 13 or 14 wins. He stinks. The fact that they won as many games with him as they did was good. Most teams seasons fall apart when they lose their franchise QB. Look at the Colts without Manning in 2011.

Of course they are better now then they were weeks 1-3. That's because they have Brady under center. But going 3-1 with 2 QB's people had a lot of questions about is very good.

[nyjunc]

6 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

They won 11 games after losing a star QB in week 1. That's still a very good job. Matt Cassell wasn't going to lead a team to 13 or 14 wins. He stinks. The fact that they won as many games with him as they did was good. Most teams seasons fall apart when they lose their franchise QB. Look at the Colts without Manning in 2011.

Of course they are better now then they were weeks 1-3. That's because they have Brady under center. But going 3-1 with 2 QB's people had a lot of questions about is very good.

they lost 5 more games than the year before against a much weaker sched and MISSED the playoffs w/ a QB who would lead KC to a div title 2 years later.

the Colts tanked w/o Manning in 2011, in 2012 w/ a rookie QB they were back in the playoffs, they didn't lose a step w? Osweiler last year and are probably better this year w/ a 1st year QB.

[Matt39]

32 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Clady has not played well.  I understand why they got him.  But as of now this does not go down as a great move by the FO.

If the team went with Iljana at LT and Qvale and RT would they be in any worse shape? 

[ScarletKnight89]

8 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

they lost 5 more games than the year before against a much weaker sched and MISSED the playoffs w/ a QB who would lead KC to a div title 2 years later.

the Colts tanked w/o Manning in 2011, in 2012 w/ a rookie QB they were back in the playoffs, they didn't lose a step w? Osweiler last year and are probably better this year w/ a 1st year QB.

Not every QB who wins a division title is a good QB. The schedule doesn’t matter if you have a bad QB. They had an 11 win season with Matt Cassell as QB. He’s never topped 11 wins in his career in this league. You can’t discount the job Bellicheck did with him. He wasn’t Steve Young to Brady’s Montana.

 

The Colts did not going into the 2011 season deciding to completely tank. No team does that.

 

[nyjunc]

8 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Not every QB who wins a division title is a good QB. The schedule doesn’t matter if you have a bad QB. They had an 11 win season with Matt Cassell as QB. He’s never topped 11 wins in his career in this league. You can’t discount the job Bellicheck did with him. He wasn’t Steve Young to Brady’s Montana.

 

The Colts did not going into the 2011 season deciding to completely tank. No team does that.

 

they won 10 w/ him starting, KC won 10 with him starting and a div title so w/ undefeated talent around the QB he lost 5 games and missed the playoffs against creampuff sched.  Incredible job.

 

the Colts did go into 2011 to tank.

[ScarletKnight89]

25 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

they won 10 w/ him starting, KC won 10 with him starting and a div title so w/ undefeated talent around the QB he lost 5 games and missed the playoffs against creampuff sched.  Incredible job.

 

the Colts did go into 2011 to tank.

No team starts off week 1 intending to tank. That's ridiculous.

How is going 11-5 with a second string QB starting 15 of them not a good job? You just said it. He won 10 in New England and 10 in KC. They lost 5 games because the team isn't nearly as good without Brady as it is with him. How can you not understand that?

Each season is different. Because they went 16-0 in 07 doesn't mean they should go 16-0 again. Different seasons have different players, and different obstacles to overcome. Like losing your start QB in week 1...

BB suckered Pioli into trading a high pick for a career backup.

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

No team starts off week 1 intending to tank. That's ridiculous.

How is going 11-5 with a second string QB starting 15 of them not a good job? You just said it. He won 10 in New England and 10 in KC. They lost 5 games because the team isn't nearly as good without Brady as it is with him. How can you not understand that?

Each season is different. Because they went 16-0 in 07 doesn't mean they should go 16-0 again. Different seasons have different players, and different obstacles to overcome. Like losing your start QB in week 1...

BB suckered Pioli into trading a high pick for a career backup.

he did a noce job but in the end failed w/ a playoff caliber QB against creampuff sched w/ undefeated talent around the QB.

 

Pioli got his only playoff app b/c of it.

 

BB suckers a lot of people b/c he has Brady to rescue him.  the real sucker has been BB b/c he has cost them more chances at SBs.

[ScarletKnight89]

11 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he did a noce job but in the end failed w/ a playoff caliber QB against creampuff sched w/ undefeated talent around the QB.

 

Pioli got his only playoff app b/c of it.

 

BB suckers a lot of people b/c he has Brady to rescue him.  the real sucker has been BB b/c he has cost them more chances at SBs.

Matt Cassel isn't a playoff caliber QB...he's terrible. A decent backup at best.

Pioli made the playoffs 1 year and lost in the first and only game they played in under his tenure.

BB has 4 Super Bowl rings as a HC and he's a sucker? It's easy for someone to sit back and Monday morning QB trades that don't work and do work. The judgement comes in the results. And he's won 4 championships and makes the playoffs/wins the AFC East every year. Every coach/GM makes good and bad moves. He is anything but a sucker....

[nyjunc]

6 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Matt Cassel isn't a playoff caliber QB...he's terrible. A decent backup at best.

Pioli made the playoffs 1 year and lost in the first and only game they played in under his tenure.

BB has 4 Super Bowl rings as a HC and he's a sucker? It's easy for someone to sit back and Monday morning QB trades that don't work and do work. The judgement comes in the results. And he's won 4 championships and makes the playoffs/wins the AFC East every year. Every coach/GM makes good and bad moves. He is anything but a sucker....

helped KC get to the playoffs, couldn't do it w/ more talent around him against weaker sched in NE.

 

Pioli didn't have Tom Brady, BB's resume includes only 1 PO app w/o Brady too.

 

BB has had all that success mostly b/c of Brady.  great football mind, has developed into all time great coach but w/o Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today.

[ScarletKnight89]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

helped KC get to the playoffs, couldn't do it w/ more talent around him against weaker sched in NE.

 

Pioli didn't have Tom Brady, BB's resume includes only 1 PO app w/o Brady too.

 

BB has had all that success mostly b/c of Brady.  great football mind, has developed into all time great coach but w/o Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today.

The Chiefs won enough games to get in that year. 11 was enough that year. In 2008, it wasn't. That doesn't mean the QB is good. Plenty of bad QB's played in the playoffs.

Yes, but he helped find and develop Brady. You can say that about so many coaches who had great QB's.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

15 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

w/o Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today.

That's adorable.

[joewilly12]

i wasnt gonna but I am ..........so Revis is the only 1 collecting a paycheck?????  How about Todd Bowles hes been the worst head coach in the NFL this season how about Mike Maccagnan who put together probably one of the worst rosters in the NFL and drafted 3 players with the top 3 picks who arent even contributing to success here and are-signed a journeyman QB that no other team wanted and we vent our frustration towards Revis...........sheesh 

 

[nyjunc]

28 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

The Chiefs won enough games to get in that year. 11 was enough that year. In 2008, it wasn't. That doesn't mean the QB is good. Plenty of bad QB's played in the playoffs.

Yes, but he helped find and develop Brady. You can say that about so many coaches who had great QB's.

in 2008 our division faced the easiest scheds that I can ever recall.  it bloated some records like Miami and NE, had undefeated talent around him w/ a QB that would be a PO QB elsewhere.  it was a failure.

14 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

That's adorable.

and true.

 

you may want to try to remember how BB was thought of before Brady.  I am sure you remember the colossal failure in Cleveland, going 5-11 in NE in 2000 then starting 0-2 in 2001.  He was considered one of the worst HCs in the league at the time Brady took over then magically they become a dynasty.

[ScarletKnight89]

4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

in 2008 our division faced the easiest scheds that I can ever recall.  it bloated some records like Miami and NE, had undefeated talent around him w/ a QB that would be a PO QB elsewhere.  it was a failure.

and true.

 

you may want to try to remember how BB was thought of before Brady.  I am sure you remember the colossal failure in Cleveland, going 5-11 in NE in 2000 then starting 0-2 in 2001.  He was considered one of the worst HCs in the league at the time Brady took over then magically they become a dynasty.

Matt Cassell isn't a playoff caliber QB. And the 2007 Patriots were not the 2008 Patriots. Different seasons. Just because a team won a certain amount of games in 07 doesn't mean they should replicate it in 08. You're judging Cassell like he's a really good player.

The team won less games because they had less talent at the QB position. Far far far far less talent at the QB position. Winning 11 games that year was a good job. Not good enough to make the post season. But most teams don't when they lose their starting QB for the whole season.

[nyjunc]

5 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Matt Cassell isn't a playoff caliber QB. And the 2007 Patriots were not the 2008 Patriots. Different seasons. Just because a team won a certain amount of games in 07 doesn't mean they should replicate it in 08. You're judging Cassell like he's a really good player.

The team won less games because they had less talent at the QB position. Far far far far less talent at the QB position. Winning 11 games that year was a good job. Not good enough to make the post season. But most teams don't when they lose their starting QB for the whole season.

w/ Brady they win 14/15 games and get a 1 seed.  the QB made that dynasty.

[ScarletKnight89]

Just now, nyjunc said:

w/ Brady they win 14/15 games and get a 1 seed.  the QB made that dynasty.

Of course he did. That's why he's so good and the team is destined for a drop off of some kind without him.

[Big Blocker]

18 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

i wasnt gonna but I am ..........so Revis is the only 1 collecting a paycheck?????  How about Todd Bowles hes been the worst head coach in the NFL this season how about Mike Maccagnan who put together probably one of the worst rosters in the NFL and drafted 3 players with the top 3 picks who arent even contributing to success here and are-signed a journeyman QB that no other team wanted and we vent our frustration towards Revis...........sheesh 

 

Isn't it problematic to blame Bowles to the extent you do when you in the same sentence blame Macc, and of course elsewhere Fitz at near endless length?  How do you separate out Bowles's role and responsibility?

Compared to last season, I think the main difference has been mostly not on Bowles.  I don't see him doing anything much different than he did as a rookie HC with a team that went 10-6.  Just two days ago he did something I can't remember an HC for the Jets doing the last time, which was take a team that was down by two scores at the half and lead them to a win on the road.  Yeah we can all blame him for the slow start, and I do up to a point.  But this is a veteran team.  I think you should hope the players would play before you decide you have to threaten them like children.

Certainly two big problems for the Jets right now are roster related, those being the simultaneous decline of key veterans and the lack of enough contributions from the two draft classes Macc ran.  I don't blame Bowles for either of those things.

[MaxAF]

Revis is giving more room to the WR's. He has been torched by the long ball this year, even last year. He has definitely lost a step. It comes with age. He just can't run with the young big dogs anymore. He's being targeted with 1 on 1 matchups. He has no INT's this year either. His contract needs to be reworked next year if he plans on playing. He should also be moved to Safety IMO next year. It was a bad move to give him such a lucrative and extended contract considering his age.

[SAR I]

SAR I

[Guest]

4 hours ago, nyjunc said:

he was a team player by all accounts, he was a major reason why they won that SB and why they failed to win again last year.  BB has the ultimate safety net in sports w/ Brady so he can move whoever he wants as long as Brady is healthy but all his maneuverings have cost NE at least another 2-3 SBs.

 

when we get a Brady we can copy what NE does, we tried w/ Mangini- how did that work?  BB has tried in Cle and NE w/.o Brady- how has that worked?

Nice try at a very warped rebutal. With your type of reasoning you continue the march to mediocrity of the Jet Fan Base.

[Dcat]

#24 should do us all a favor and retire.  He's done.

[Jetsplayer21]

54 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

Revis is giving more room to the WR's. He has been torched by the long ball this year, even last year. He has definitely lost a step. It comes with age. He just can't run with the young big dogs anymore. He's being targeted with 1 on 1 matchups. He has no INT's this year either. His contract needs to be reworked next year if he plans on playing. He should also be moved to Safety IMO next year. It was a bad move to give him such a lucrative and extended contract considering his age.

They will cut him way before they think of playing him at safety at his salary. And good luck convincing revis to take a 50% pay cut ?

[Matt39]

9 minutes ago, Dcat said:

#24 should do us all a favor

That seems likely.

[SAR I]

10 minutes ago, Dcat said:

#24 should do us all a favor and retire.  He's done.

I'm ready to boo him like Geno.

SAR I