Maxman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: Yet. Less than 15 mil a year? Interesting, we'll see. Except I'm not wrong, in any way. Did Tampa bench Glennon? Yes. Did the play mega-JAG McCown over Glennon? Yes. Did they immediately draft a QB they thought was much better than Glennon? Yes. Did that player easily beat out Glennon for the job? Yes. By all means, tell me where I've been "wrong". Tampa sees Glennon as a career backup QB at best and that well documented by the available evidence. But as I say, if you think he's more, we'll soon find out. You were wrong about what you thought I said when I didn't say it. That you were wrong about. So you are not not wrong in anyway, you are indeed wrong. Wrong in some way, is different than not wrong in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Maxman said: You were wrong about what you thought I said when I didn't say it. That you were wrong about. Lol, right. So lets make it clear then Maxy. Please read the following and tell me if you think it's accurate or false. If False, please tell me exactly why it is. Quote The Bucks knew Glennon was not a Franchise QB and never would be, so when the chance to get a legit franchise QB prospect arose, that risk was still better than sticking with a guy they knew wasn't a franchise QB? If this is not accurate, why did Tampa Bay, with a Franchise QB in Glennon on the Roster, select and immediately replace that Franchise QB with a draft pick (always a crapshoot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Maxman said: You were wrong about what you thought I said when I didn't say it. That you were wrong about. So you are not not wrong in anyway, you are indeed wrong. Wrong in some way, is different than not wrong in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Maxman said: You were wrong about what you thought I said when I didn't say it. That you were wrong about. So you are not not wrong in anyway, you are indeed wrong. Wrong in some way, is different than not wrong in anyway. I also don't recall anyone beating Glennon out for the job. I recall both guys being handed the job without having to compete for it. So no one "easily" beat out Glennon for the job, both guys were given the job. McCown was a mistake, Winston wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Villain The Foe said: I also don't recall anyone beating Glennon out for the job. I recall both guys being handed the job without having to compete for it. Ah, so the team thought so little of Glennon, they didn't even give him a chance to compete against a rookie draft pick. Yep, pretty damn clear Tampa saw, and still sees, Glennon as a career backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, nyjbuddy said: I wanted Glennon, but losing out on him isn't a big deal. But if we turn our attention to guys lie Cutler/Taylor THEN I'll be annoyed. Taylor is not good enough to take this team to a SB, but is good enough to win 5-8 games and cost us a chance at a franchise QB in next years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Good. I am glad this how Glennon played out. They were interested and pulled out when the price got too high. That is what should have happened with the bearded wonder last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 46 minutes ago, Warfish said: Ah, so the team thought so little of Glennon, they didn't even give him a chance to compete against a rookie draft pick. Yep, pretty damn clear Tampa saw, and still sees, Glennon as a career backup QB. Never thought much of the Bucs front office when it comes to how they view their QB's anyway. Glennon will probably end up being the 3rd qb they drafted that won a chip with another team. That's like someone saying Tyrod Taylor is a stupid signing to become your starter because all Baltimore ever saw him as was a backup. You can make the argument that he's better today than the qb he sat behind. So again, Glennon didn't lose a competition for the starting spot, and just like Taylor, he can prove that he's worthy of being more than a backup on his former team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 all these teams dropping out on Glennon. Don't these teams know qb is the most important position......or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said: Damn. Glad the jets didn't jump out the window for him though @Warfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Never thought much of the Bucs front office when it comes to how they view their QB's anyway. Glennon will probably end up being the 3rd qb they drafted that won a chip with another team. Um... dude, they say he is signing with Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: Um... dude, they say he is signing with Chicago. Let me dream bro. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said: Let me dream bro. Lol I am going to sponsor a go fund me for you to buy a Glennon Bears jersey. While that ease the pain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Will be interesting to see what the actual numbers are. I'd have been fine with picking him up to take a shot in the dark as long as we also drafted another QB (one who wouldn't take 3 years to just to justify seeing on the field). The numbers discussed are (and have been) unattractive, but this team is going nowhere this year anyway. Hopefully we don't waste the year anyway by treading water with Brian Hoyer or similar (just because he's cheap), plus our two projects, to fill out our 2017 trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I am going to sponsor a go fund me for you to buy a Glennon Bears jersey. While that ease the pain? You're a true and dear internet friend. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Will be interesting to see what the actual numbers are. I'd have been fine with picking him up to take a shot in the dark as long as we also drafted another QB (one who wouldn't take 3 years to just to justify seeing on the field). The numbers discussed are (and have been) unattractive, but this team is going nowhere this year anyway. Hopefully we don't waste the year anyway by treading water with Brian Hoyer or similar (just because he's cheap), plus our two projects, to fill out our 2017 trio. I heard the jets are looking into Chase Daniel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 41 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Good. I am glad this how Glennon played out. They were interested and pulled out when the price got too high. That is what should have happened with the bearded wonder last year. Totally agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Will be interesting to see what the actual numbers are. I'd have been fine with picking him up to take a shot in the dark as long as we also drafted another QB (one who wouldn't take 3 years to just to justify seeing on the field). The numbers discussed are (and have been) unattractive, but this team is going nowhere this year anyway. Hopefully we don't waste the year anyway by treading water with Brian Hoyer or similar (just because he's cheap), plus our two projects, to fill out our 2017 trio. i am encouraged that mccags wouldn't spend a lot for glennon. with all the cuts he's made it wouldn't make sense. this truly seems like mccags is willing to rebuild correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said: I also don't recall anyone beating Glennon out for the job. I recall both guys being handed the job without having to compete for it. So no one "easily" beat out Glennon for the job, both guys were given the job. McCown was a mistake, Winston wasn't. Well, to be fair, he started in 2014 when McCown got hurt. They didn't just give the job back to McCown, but waited until Glennon had officially sucked before going back to McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i am encouraged that mccags wouldn't spend a lot for glennon. with all the cuts he's made it wouldn't make sense. this truly seems like mccags is willing to rebuild correctly. I don't see how the first sentence implies either of the next two. I doubt we're going to agree on this, but to date he's shown more willingness to build incorrectly than correctly. Free agency hasn't started yet, and Glennon hasn't yet signed with a non-Jets team, so let's see what he actually does before crediting him with successful moves (or smart non-moves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: I don't see how the first sentence implies either of the next two. I doubt we're going to agree on this, but to date he's shown more willingness to build incorrectly than correctly. Free agency hasn't started yet, and Glennon hasn't yet signed with a non-Jets team, so let's see what he actually does before crediting him with successful moves (or smart non-moves). i wouldn't have seen the logic in freeing up lots of cap space and then giving 15 mil per year to glennon. his upside isn't that high, and it would signal they're still trying to band-aid the qb position. if they could get him cheap, that would be ok. but i wouldn't see the point in cleaning house only to throw a lot of money at someone who hasn't played the past 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Well, to be fair, he started in 2014 when McCown got hurt. They didn't just give the job back to McCown, but waited until Glennon had officially sucked before going back to McCown. To be fair, he didn't officially suck. When McCown recovered Lovie gave the starting job back to McCown. Glennon never lost his starting role due to personal performance, it was always given to someone else by the coach who wanted nothing to do with a qb he didn't bring in himself. Also, if Glennon sucked so bad the in week 17 Lovie would have seen it as a smart move to put in the suckier Glennon in order to secure the #1 spot in the draft. Lovie decided to stick with the qb he knew had a better chance of losing that game...which was his starter. It's clear the relationship Lovie had with Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 28 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i am encouraged that mccags wouldn't spend a lot for glennon. with all the cuts he's made it wouldn't make sense. this truly seems like mccags is willing to rebuild correctly. Mac will be getting coffee with Idzik for the Jags FO a year from now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: To be fair, he didn't officially suck. When McCown recovered Lovie gave the starting job back to McCown. Glennon never lost his starting role due to personal performance, it was always given to someone else by the coach who wanted nothing to do with a qb he didn't bring in himself. Also, if Glennon sucked so bad the in week 17 Lovie would have seen it as a smart move to put in the suckier Glennon in order to secure the #1 spot in the draft. Lovie decided to stick with the qb he knew had a better chance of losing that game...which was his starter. It's clear the relationship Lovie had with Glennon. Lovie is the greatest evaluator of the QB position evah bra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: To be fair, he didn't officially suck. When McCown recovered Lovie gave the starting job back to McCown. Glennon never lost his starting role due to personal performance, it was always given to someone else by the coach who wanted nothing to do with a qb he didn't bring in himself. Also, if Glennon sucked so bad the in week 17 Lovie would have seen it as a smart move to put in the suckier Glennon in order to secure the #1 spot in the draft. Lovie decided to stick with the qb he knew had a better chance of losing that game...which was his starter. It's clear the relationship Lovie had with Glennon. McCown was ready to play at least a couple of weeks before they went back to him. Glennon put up sub-20 points 3 weeks straight. I'm not saying McCown was better, but that I disagree with the bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 hours ago, thadude said: Well ya Winston wasn't the best Qb prospect to come out of college in 5 years or nothing And the Bucs offered Glennon a huge contract extension. They must really think he sucks You keep harping on the same bullspit over and over. They still replaced Glennon with Winston. Even though they had concerns over his conditioning and their doubts about his ability to run a pro style offense they still named him the starting QB BEFORE training camp. No competition in Training camp. This was all documented in the article I posted the last time you came up with the tired old one line argument again. Over a guy with 2 years in the league and 1 year starting. AN UNPROVEN ROOKIE WITH TREMENDOUS upside is not named the starter over a starting 1st team NFL QB. It just doesn't happen. Unless they have no confidence in that QB. They offered him a one year deal for 7 mil. Stop trying to make it sound like they offered him multiple years for a ton of money. They also knew he WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT because some fool team is going to double that in FA. It's called reading between the lines. Unless one of those lines has "He Sucks" in it I beginning to think you don't understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, JiF said: YES!!! SEE GLENNON DOES SUCK!! BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good move Mac. Now don't screw the rest up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: YES!!! SEE GLENNON DOES SUCK!! BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Double Post. Sorry was kinda overcome with joy at the prospect of not having to talk about this anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, JetFaninMI said: You keep harping on the same bullspit over and over. They still replaced Glennon with Winston. Even though they had concerns over his conditioning and their doubts about his ability to run a pro style offense they still named him the starting QB BEFORE training camp. No competition in Training camp. This was all documented in the article I posted the last time you came up with the tired old one line argument again. Over a guy with 2 years in the league and 1 year starting. AN UNPROVEN ROOKIE WITH TREMENDOUS upside is not named the starter over a starting 1st team NFL QB. It just doesn't happen. Unless they have no confidence in that QB. They offered him a one year deal for 7 mil. Stop trying to make it sound like they offered him multiple years for a ton of money. They also knew he WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT because some fool team is going to double that in FA. It's called reading between the lines. Unless one of those lines has "He Sucks" in it I beginning to think you don't understand them. I keep harping the same bullspit because it's absolutely true --Petty blows --hack blows way harder --Glennon would be our first good qb since Vinny in 1998 --there's a slim chance we successfully tank for Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: McCown was ready to play at least a couple of weeks before they went back to him. Glennon put up sub-20 points 3 weeks straight. I'm not saying McCown was better, but that I disagree with the bold. Now compare that to petty who couldn't even complete a pass his last game and has thrown more than twice as many picks as TD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 30 minutes ago, thadude said: I keep harping the same bullspit because it's absolutely true --Petty blows --hack blows way harder --Glennon would be our first good qb since Vinny in 1998 --there's a slim chance we successfully tank for Darnold You forgot to say "He sucks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: You forgot to say "He sucks". Petty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, thadude said: Petty? I thought that was your go to response for anyone other than Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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