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  1. 1. Would you prefer the Jets pick your favorite QB from this class at #6 or wait till next year?

    • Pick my favorite QB (e.g. Watson, Trubisky) at #6 this year
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    • Do not pick QB at #6 this year and save it for next year.
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Preferences:

1. If our GM believes an available QB at #6 is a Franchise QB, then I support picking him (Trubisky or Watson).  It's risky, but we can always go QB in the 1st next year too the way the NFL works now.

2. If our GM does not like the two players above, then draft whatever in the first (I keep hearing CB, that's fine) and look at Mahomes in the 2nd.  The "next Favre" comments I hear a ton about with Mahones makes a 2nd round risk worth it, especially if we play Hack/Petty in 2017 and let Mahomes learn.

3. If we don;t go QB at #6, and don't/can't get Mahones in the 2nd, then I strongly support drafting a QB in the middle rounds.  Like  Peterman or similar developmental QB prospect.

4. Regardless, whomever I would draft does not play in 2017.  Period.  Preseason, sure, start, no.  And if Hack and/or Petty fails to show proper development in 2017, they are cut loose, and I draft another QB in 2018.

And I draft another, and another, and another, till we find a franchise QB.  Two full years in a system is long enough to know if the pick has a chance or does not IMO. 

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2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

We have no answer at the most important position in sports, but if we get a shot at one this year we should turn it down and wait for Darnold, because that's a workable plan that definitely doesn't depend on a million things breaking exactly right. Also Petty and Hackenberg, come on folks, one of them is bound to work out. A nurse comes to my house and velcros my shoes for me every morning

Darnold is 1 of 5 QBs with major potential next year. You're telling me not that not 1 of them is going to continue their momentum, and that we won't have a shot at any of them?

If you're hungry, is that an excuse to eat a log sh*t? This year is sh*t. You can complain about the warts on the roster presently, but that doesn't polish the draft turds into diamonds this year.

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14 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Darnold is 1 of 5 QBs with major potential next year. You're telling me not that not 1 of them is going to continue their momentum, and that we won't have a shot at any of them?

Historically speaking, I think it's safe to say that at least three and probably four will not "continue their momentum," whatever that means, and that we won't have a shot at the one or two who do.

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36 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Darnold is 1 of 5 QBs with major potential next year. You're telling me not that not 1 of them is going to continue their momentum, and that we won't have a shot at any of them?

If you're hungry, is that an excuse to eat a log sh*t? This year is sh*t. You can complain about the warts on the roster presently, but that doesn't polish the draft turds into diamonds this year.

And if you die of starvation before you get that Ribeye,  then what ?

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What we can always hope is that all the other "sucky" teams draft QB's this year if we don't want them then hopefully they all turn into FQB's so even if we don't get the top pick everyone else will already have their FQB of the future and Darnold falls to us. Yes! High Five.

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In all seriousness I think we should skip any qb at 6. If one of the "big 5" slips to our second consider it but I would prefer a Peterman in the 3rd. He seems like he could be the sleeper this year.

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5 minutes ago, nicg4360 said:

In all seriousness I think we should skip any qb at 6. If one of the "big 5" slips to our second consider it but I would prefer a Peterman in the 3rd. He seems like he could be the sleeper this year.

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Fixed!! I think this young man might come to be the best QB out of this draft. Keep those QB's coming until we find the ONE!

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Fixed!! I think this young man might come to be the best QB out of this draft. Keep those QB's coming until we find the ONE!
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A few opinions whom I have read state that if there was a Dak Prescot in this draft he would be the one to take a chance on. It does not burn a second or 1st round pick and with him coming from a pro style offence he could see the field sooner than later.

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45 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Historically speaking, I think it's safe to say that at least three and probably four will not "continue their momentum," whatever that means, and that we won't have a shot at the one or two who do.

You miss 100% of the shots you do not take.

We definitely have a shot, if our Owner, GM and HC actually devised a plan to tank, then we have a GREAT shot. If NBA teams can tank, so can NFL teams. Pretending it's about integrity and job security and whatever else is bullsh*t. If an owner and GM agree to a tank, it's absolutely fine by me. It's strategy and since the rest of the NFL doesn't seem to give a sh*t about other teams cheating on the field,, giving away draft picks to let another team absorb a QB salary, or whatever other shenanigans goes on under the guise of gamesmanship and/or strategy.... there is nothing they can say about effectively using the system in place to acquire the best talent. 

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1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

Historically speaking, I think it's safe to say that at least three and probably four will not "continue their momentum," whatever that means, and that we won't have a shot at the one or two who do.

Well you're wrong - or at least not representing the situation accurately. But i wouldn't expect you to backpedal, cause you've done that 0 times.

Yes, it's unlikely that Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Allen and Falk all uniformly ascend. But only 1? pfff, cmon guy. Not to mention at least 1-2 who currently aren't considered top prospects will come out of the cave. 

Lets start with recognizing next year has better chances. You can work your way back to honesty from there.

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47 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

And if you die of starvation before you get that Ribeye,  then what ?

We've got 2 logs on the roster already. Adding a 3rd isn't going to stave of starvation. Believe me, if there was a prospect with the pick, I'd be all over it. 

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31 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

You miss 100% of the shots you do not take.

We definitely have a shot, if our Owner, GM and HC actually devised a plan to tank, then we have a GREAT shot. If NBA teams can tank, so can NFL teams. Pretending it's about integrity and job security and whatever else is bullsh*t. If an owner and GM agree to a tank, it's absolutely fine by me. It's strategy and since the rest of the NFL doesn't seem to give a sh*t about other teams cheating on the field,, giving away draft picks to let another team absorb a QB salary, or whatever other shenanigans goes on under the guise of gamesmanship and/or strategy.... there is nothing they can say about effectively using the system in place to acquire the best talent. 

And if it doesn't work, we'd probably still draft Rosen anyways. Because, well, you know...

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3 hours ago, dbatesman said:

We have no answer at the most important position in sports, but if we get a shot at one this year we should turn it down and wait for Darnold, because that's a workable plan that definitely doesn't depend on a million things breaking exactly right. Also Petty and Hackenberg, come on folks, one of them is bound to work out. A nurse comes to my house and velcros my shoes for me every morning

Somebody wants THREE qbs with slim shots at stardom instead of just two. 

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Just now, RutgersJetFan said:

And if it doesn't work, we'd probably still draft Rosen anyways. Because, well, you know...

Awww how cute, my pet snowflake is following me around again.

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35 minutes ago, Paradis said:

We've got 2 logs on the roster already. Adding a 3rd isn't going to stave of starvation. Believe me, if there was a prospect with the pick, I'd be all over it. 

So I take it that you believe both those logs have more potential that either of the 2 projected 1st round logs from this draft  ? The vast majority of these boards think that Hack was the worst 2nd round pick in the history of the Draft . A large portion like Petty because he's not that QB the giants signed in free agency .  yet 2 kids with at worst, 2nd round talent who will most likely go in the top 20 of the draft are garbage because 4 QBs with greater potential might be available next year .

Make sense to me . 

 

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So I take it that you believe both those logs have more potential that either of the 2 projected 1st round logs from this draft  ? The vast majority of these boards think that Hack was the worst 2nd round pick in the history of the Draft . A large portion like Petty because he's not that QB the giants signed in free agency .  yet 2 kids with at worst, 2nd round talent who will most likely go in the top 20 of the draft are garbage because 4 QBs with greater potential might be available next year .
Make sense to me . 


Coming from someone who saw Jesus in Hack -- I'm not surprised you're struggling with my POV.

Whether or not you agree that next year is worth holding out hope for aside, doesn't change that this year is sh*t. You're trying to sell me on wasting a high pick on EJ and Geno in 2013 and I'm telling you fck no. We've already got people of that calibre on the roster. See it through and re-evaluate next year with better options.

End of story.


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1 minute ago, Paradis said:

 

 


Coming from someone who saw Jesus in Hack -- I'm not surprised you're struggling with my POV.

Whether or not you agree that next year is worth holding out hope for aside, doesn't change that this year is sh*t. You're trying to sell me on wasting a high pick on EJ and Geno in 2013 and I'm telling you fck no. We've already got people of that calibre on the roster. See it through and re-evaluate next year with better options.

End of story.


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I see Jesus in you too Paradis, but that's another story .

Other that say Garrett, who I have some questions about, who would you say is the next can't miss prospect in this draft  ?

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3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 


Coming from someone who saw Jesus in Hack -- I'm not surprised you're struggling with my POV.

Whether or not you agree that next year is worth holding out hope for aside, doesn't change that this year is sh*t. You're trying to sell me on wasting a high pick on EJ and Geno in 2013 and I'm telling you fck no. We've already got people of that calibre on the roster. See it through and re-evaluate next year with better options.

End of story.


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So how do you like the TE OJ Howard this year??;)

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2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

No no, the best safety in college might still be available. That's totally worth passing on a quarterback with a first round grade for. 

This is very short sighted and cynical of you. 

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I see Jesus in you too Paradis, but that's another story .
Other that say Garrett, who I have some questions about, who would you say is the next can't miss prospect in this draft  ?


Love you too!

This year holds very few "cant miss" players IMO. Good for depth and filling out roster needs, horrible for blue chips. No tackles, no complete corners, barely a handful of legit disruptive front 7 ppl. Adams, Williams, Cook and Foster maybe (on field anyway)

Now, SAFEST? There's a few; F Lamp, C Samuel, K Hunt, C Sutton, R Anderson, E Engram and C Davis all have a 0.1% chance of busting IMO


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1 minute ago, Paradis said:

 

 


Love you too!

This year holds very few "cant miss" players IMO. Good for depth and filling out roster needs, horrible for blue chips. No tackles, no complete corners, barely a handful of legit disruptive front 7 ppl. Adams, Williams, Cook and Foster maybe (on field anyway)

Now, SAFEST? There's a few; F Lamp, C Samuel, K Hunt, C Sutton, R Anderson, E Engram and C Davis all have a 0.1% chance of busting IMO


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Well you mentioned the guy I was considering, but I bet you wouldn't take that guy at 6 . Not going to tell you who yet, but I think you know .

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25 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

who would you say is the next can't miss prospect in this draft  ?

That's a difficult way to attack the question. There are some guys I think are "can't miss" that aren't worth the 6th pick, some might not even go in the 1st round.

Elfien, Lamp, Feeney for example. 

But even at the top of the draft....I'd say Adams is a can't miss guy. But that doesn't mean he's worth the 6th. Howard looks like can't miss, I'd take him at 6.  Solomon Thomas too, he'd be worth taking a 6, but maybe not for our defensive scheme.  I never say can't miss for WRs, but i have a lot of confidence in both Williams and Davis. Ramczyck is a can't miss player. But I'm not sure he can't miss at LT.  But at the worst he's a 12 year starter at RT imo and also not worth the 6th pick..

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Well you mentioned the guy I was considering, but I bet you wouldn't take that guy at 6 . Not going to tell you who yet, but I think you know .


Nope. Foster?


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1st off thesis not a religious post. Looks like it is recent but I cannot tell.  What I find interesting if it is recent he sure is moving that shoulder good don't you think?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Paradis said:

Well you're wrong - or at least not representing the situation accurately. But i wouldn't expect you to backpedal, cause you've done that 0 times.

Yes, it's unlikely that Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Allen and Falk all uniformly ascend. But only 1? pfff, cmon guy. Not to mention at least 1-2 who currently aren't considered top prospects will come out of the cave. 

Lets start with recognizing next year has better chances. You can work your way back to honesty from there.

ok

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56 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

That's a difficult way to attack the question. There are some guys I think are "can't miss" that aren't worth the 6th pick, some might not even go in the 1st round.

Elfien, Lamp, Feeney for example. 

But even at the top of the draft....I'd say Adams is a can't miss guy. But that doesn't mean he's worth the 6th. Howard looks like can't miss, I'd take him at 6.  Solomon Thomas too, he'd be worth taking a 6, but maybe not for our defensive scheme.  I never say can't miss for WRs, but i have a lot of confidence in both Williams and Davis. Ramczyck is a can't miss player. But I'm not sure he can't miss at LT.  But at the worst he's a 12 year starter at RT imo and also not worth the 6th pick..

yah but which of these are lonsmen 

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2 hours ago, HessStation said:

Somebody wants THREE qbs with slim shots at stardom instead of just two. 

As opposed to what?  Two with slim chances and one with no chance whatsoever who'll take away playing time from the other two?

What is your alternative option here?

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:
As opposed to what?  Two with slim chances and one with no chance whatsoever who'll take away playing time from the other two?
What is your alternative option here?

 


You've asked the same stupid question 8 times warfish -- and keep getting the same answer. Some people believe in quality over quantity. There's no empirical data to suggest adding sh*tty QB's to a sh*tty roster eventually translates to finding one. Cleveland's a glaring example why.

Just accept that some people don't think there's a point in adding one of these lesser people to the team.


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20 minutes ago, Warfish said:

As opposed to what?  Two with slim chances and one with no chance whatsoever who'll take away playing time from the other two?

What is your alternative option here?

Picking a prospect with a better risk reward at a less important position and then seeing what you have in the two slim chances you already have, especially the one you wasted a second round pick on last year....and then if or when you're comfortable with the fact neither slim chance you already have on the roster isn't going to be a star, you pick a QB in 2018 which basically every draft expert is telling you is a much better year to take a QB especially early in the first round. 

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