Draft Rumors

[UnitedWhofans]

5 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

I get that, but we draft those players every year, we need to go O.

I understand that. IMO there are only 2 offensive playmakers that I would take for the Jets. Howard and Williams (although I heard nothing about Williams recently)

[bealeb319]

1 minute ago, johnnysd said:

He's marginal, but more valuable and higher game impact than any DB. All we need to do is look at our own drafting history and the impact of first round CBs in general in recent drafts. Edge rushers have far more impact on games and defense against the pass than any DB outside of the HOF guys. But you win games by scoring more points than the opponent, especially now, and since we are trying to develop a young QB, providing protection and weapons for that young QB is far far more important than any defensive upgrade at this point in the rebuild.

You win games by scoring more points than the other team but it is significantly easier to score more points and win a game 7 to 3 than it is to score more points and win a game 44 to 40...

[section314]

1 minute ago, bealeb319 said:

You win games by scoring more points than the other team but it is significantly easier to score more points and win a game 7 to 3 than it is to score more points and win a game 44 to 40...

Dan Fouts would agree with you.

[UnitedWhofans]

7 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

You win games by scoring more points than the other team but it is significantly easier to score more points and win a game 7 to 3 than it is to score more points and win a game 44 to 40...

That's the question. Is it easier to win a game with little offense/ great defense or little defense/great offense.

Now it's better looking to have a great offense, but honestly an argument can be made that its easier to win with a great defense/little offense.

Simply because defense can score too.

[Matthew007b]

I don't have much to add.. but can't wait for Thursday! It's about time! 

[MDL_JET]

5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That's the question. Is it easier to win a game with little offense/ great defense or little defense/great offense.

Now it's better looking to have a great offense, but honestly an argument can be made that its easier to win with a great defense/little offense.

Simply because defense can score too.

Lets work on getting above average.

[Integrity28]

42 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Hearing the Niners might take McCaffrey from Stanford at 2. Insane but those are the rumors.

Are you "hearing" that? Or did you just read a bunch of tards saying it on twitter.

[Augustiniak]

14 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

He's marginal, but more valuable and higher game impact than any DB. All we need to do is look at our own drafting history and the impact of first round CBs in general in recent drafts. Edge rushers have far more impact on games and defense against the pass than any DB outside of the HOF guys. But you win games by scoring more points than the opponent, especially now, and since we are trying to develop a young QB, providing protection and weapons for that young QB is far far more important than any defensive upgrade at this point in the rebuild.

the rules support your thesis.  whichever db we take will likely mess up plenty, PIs, late hits, etc.  at some ppoint you have to join the party and assemble offensive weapons so that you are not automatically out of games when the other team scores 22 points.

[Integrity28]

9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That's the question. Is it easier to win a game with little offense/ great defense or little defense/great offense.

Now it's better looking to have a great offense, but honestly an argument can be made that its easier to win with a great defense/little offense.

Simply because defense can score too.

It's easier to win when it's scripted.

[JohnnyLV]

13 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

You win games by scoring more points than the other team but it is significantly easier to score more points and win a game 7 to 3 than it is to score more points and win a game 44 to 40...

Possibly true. But we are not making offensive picks to be NO defense, we need to just become COMPETENT. We need playmakers and OL help more than any single thing on defense.

[bealeb319]

4 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Possibly true. But we are not making offensive picks to be NO defense, we need to just become COMPETENT. We need playmakers and OL help more than any single thing on defense.

Perhaps you should rewatch some of the games from last season our secondary was BAD we could use OL too sure but atleast our young kids who were called upon on the offensive line last season looked like they could at the very least be valuable depth peices...our secondary singlehandedly handed wins over to the opposing teams.

[Beerfish]

i'd much rather trade down and take Njoku than Howard at 6

[Augustiniak]

7 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

Perhaps you should rewatch some of the games from last season our secondary was BAD we could use OL too sure but atleast our young kids who were called upon on the offensive line last season looked like they could at the very least be valuable depth peices...our secondary singlehandedly handed wins over to the opposing teams.

while i support taking a guy like adams if he's there, the jets have taken wilson, milliner and pryor in the past what, 6-7 yrs in the first round, and zero offensive players.  at some point you have to help your qb, and howard would also help in the run game b/c he can block.  in a game that increasingly emphasizes scoring, investing premium pick after pick on defensive backs is antithetical to what the nfl is telling you wins now.

[C Mart]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

while i support taking a guy like adams if he's there, the jets have taken wilson, milliner and pryor in the past what, 6-7 yrs in the first round, and zero offensive players.  at some point you have to help your qb, and howard would also help in the run game b/c he can block.  in a game that increasingly emphasizes scoring, investing premium pick after pick on defensive backs is antithetical to what the nfl is telling you wins now.

Previous regimes have taken Wilson, Miliner etc....

more to the draft then just 1st round. 

[bealeb319]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

while i support taking a guy like adams if he's there, the jets have taken wilson, milliner and pryor in the past what, 6-7 yrs in the first round, and zero offensive players.  at some point you have to help your qb, and howard would also help in the run game b/c he can block.  in a game that increasingly emphasizes scoring, investing premium pick after pick on defensive backs is antithetical to what the nfl is telling you wins now.

no team is going to win anything with no secondary. We are not in a win now position we cut almost all of our veterans loose...who was our last offensive first round pick? Sanchez? how did that work out? I hope they draft BPA regardless of what side of the ball he is on.

[Lupz27]

 

NFL Draft Rumor Mill

 

Steelers Gauging Interest in DeShone Kizer

Updated April 25, 2017 
By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.

 

For weeks now, Walter and I have had the Steelers taking Notre Dame quarterback DeShone Kizer in the first round of our 2017 NFL Mock Drafts. Weeks ago, sources told us that the Steelers were high on Kizer. 

In the final days before the draft, WalterFootball.com has learned from team sources that Steelers have been asking around to other teams, trying to gauge where Kizer could be drafted and who could be interested in taking him. Pittsburgh has to start planning for the retirement of Ben Roethlisberger and it sounds as though Kizer is viewed as their developmental starter in waiting while Roethlisberger finishes out his career.

There are scouts around the league who feel that Kizer has the best skill set and most athletic upside of any quarterback in the 2017 NFL Draft. He had an inconsistent junior season, as he completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,925 yards with 26 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He also ran for seven touchdowns. His completion percentage was thrown off by playing a game in the midst of Hurricane Matthew and his receivers consistently dropping well-thrown passes. Kizer played better as a sophomore when he had more talent around him like a top-25 wide receiver in Will Fuller), a top-10 pick at left tackle in Ronnie Stanley, a second-round center in Nick Martin, and a third-round running back in C.J. Prosise. In 2015, Kizer completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,884 yards with 21 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He picked up 520 yards with 10 scores on the ground.

The Steelers have tried to be discrete with their vetting of Kizer with offensive coordinator Todd Haley at the Notre Dame pro day rather than a big contingent of general manager, head coach, and other top executives. However, teams have told WalterFootball.com that Pittsburgh has revealed some nerves about Kizer not getting to their pick as they've asked around the league where he might go and what teams are interested in taking him. 

Kizer (6-4, 233) is almost identical in size to Roethlisberger (6-4, 240) with both possessing a strong arm to go with mobility and athleticism in a big body. The Steelers could develop Kizer behind Roethlisberger for a year or two before turning the reigns over. Roethlisberger started talking about retirement at the end of the 2016 season, so Pittsburgh wants to be proactive about securing the future of the most important position on the team. They want to hit the ground running with their new quarterback and not miss out on prime years of great offensive weapons like Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown, who could lead Pittsburgh to the Super Bowl. After falling short in the AFC Championship Game last year, the Steelers have a talented roster without a lot of starting positions open for competition. Thus, they can afford to use a first-round pick on a quarterback of the future similar to how Green Bay selected Aaron Rodgers during the final years of Brett Favre's Packer career. In speaking to league sources, it sounds like Kizer is the player that Steelers are targeting in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft. 

 

 

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One Team Hears 49ers Will Select Patrick Mahomes at No. 2

Updated April 24, 2017 
By Walter Cherepinsky. Follow Walter on Twitter @walterfootball. 

The 49ers are a complete mystery right now. No one seems to know what they'll do, as there is no consensus selection among NFL Draft analysts and speculators. With a new front office, there's not even a baseline of what the team could be looking for.

 

Charlie Campbell and I put out feelers to our various team sources. Charlie reported a few days ago that a team believed the 49ers to be "desperate" to trade down. The consensus otherwise was the 49ers selecting Mitchell Trubisky No. 2 overall.

A high-ranking NFC personnel man responded to my query Monday morning, and the name he gave me for San Francisco's pick was a surprising one: 

Patrick Mahomes.

This team source said that he heard over the weekend that the 49ers would take Mahomes at No. 2 overall. Some believe Mahomes to be the best quarterback prospect in this class, so if San Francisco shares that opinion, Mahomes would be just as logical of a selection as Trubisky.

Quarterbacks - mainly Trubisky, but also Deshaun Watson and now Mahomes - have been rumored to San Francisco, and understandably so, given the team's dire need for a quarterback. Taking a signal-caller would block the potential of signing Kirk Cousins, but the 49ers would have a concrete quarterback to build around for certain.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill#cXcXD6tivA0qHqLu.99

[JohnnyLV]

11 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

Perhaps you should rewatch some of the games from last season our secondary was BAD we could use OL too sure but atleast our young kids who were called upon on the offensive line last season looked like they could at the very least be valuable depth peices...our secondary singlehandedly handed wins over to the opposing teams.

Not sure I agree with that.

Pass defense is an interesting thing. It is related to so many factors OTHER than the secondary:

1. Pass rush

2. Run defense

3. Offensive ball control 

4. Special teams

In the Jets case, I think that the cornerbacks were not as bad as they appeared (still not great) but the Jets were very very bad at rushing the passer, and offensive ball control. Lack of offensive plays led to tired defense especially the line, and we have nothing really for a pass rush outside of scheme. Reality is that improvement on offense and say 10-15 more offensive plays per game will improve the secondary more than a single first round player.

 

 

 

[C Mart]

Not really earth shattering

Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano)

4/25/17, 3:13 PM

.@MikeSilver just reported on "Up to the Minute" @nflnetwork the Browns have talked with 3 teams picking in top-8 about moving up from 12.

 

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

So you would like OJ Howard

Yes I'd take him.

[Augustiniak]

25 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Not really earth shattering

Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano)

4/25/17, 3:13 PM

.@MikeSilver just reported on "Up to the Minute" @nflnetwork the Browns have talked with 3 teams picking in top-8 about moving up from 12.

 

b/c they are most worried about the bills, not the jets.

[Beerfish]

As I said in another thread San F is going to do something stupid, rookie coach, rookie ex player gm with not a to of front office exp.

[Lupz27]

Just now, Beerfish said:

As I said in another thread San F is going to do something stupid, rookie coach, rookie ex player gm with not a to of front office exp.

If they take Mahomes they might be proven genius not stupid ?

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

If they take Mahomes they might be proven genius not stupid ?

If they do I'll conclude you are in fact Lynch.

[jetfan39]

Thank God the draft is less than 2 days away. We can then stop arguing over who to take and start complaining about who we did take 

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, jetfan39 said:

Thank God the draft is less than 2 days away. We can then stop arguing over who to take and start complaining about who we did take 

or we could skip the arguing and go right to the complaining.

[AFJF]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

 

NFL Draft Rumor Mill

 

Steelers Gauging Interest in DeShone Kizer

Updated April 25, 2017 
By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.

 

For weeks now, Walter and I have had the Steelers taking Notre Dame quarterback DeShone Kizer in the first round of our 2017 NFL Mock Drafts. Weeks ago, sources told us that the Steelers were high on Kizer. 

In the final days before the draft, WalterFootball.com has learned from team sources that Steelers have been asking around to other teams, trying to gauge where Kizer could be drafted and who could be interested in taking him. Pittsburgh has to start planning for the retirement of Ben Roethlisberger and it sounds as though Kizer is viewed as their developmental starter in waiting while Roethlisberger finishes out his career.

There are scouts around the league who feel that Kizer has the best skill set and most athletic upside of any quarterback in the 2017 NFL Draft. He had an inconsistent junior season, as he completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,925 yards with 26 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He also ran for seven touchdowns. His completion percentage was thrown off by playing a game in the midst of Hurricane Matthew and his receivers consistently dropping well-thrown passes. Kizer played better as a sophomore when he had more talent around him like a top-25 wide receiver in Will Fuller), a top-10 pick at left tackle in Ronnie Stanley, a second-round center in Nick Martin, and a third-round running back in C.J. Prosise. In 2015, Kizer completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,884 yards with 21 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He picked up 520 yards with 10 scores on the ground.

The Steelers have tried to be discrete with their vetting of Kizer with offensive coordinator Todd Haley at the Notre Dame pro day rather than a big contingent of general manager, head coach, and other top executives. However, teams have told WalterFootball.com that Pittsburgh has revealed some nerves about Kizer not getting to their pick as they've asked around the league where he might go and what teams are interested in taking him. 

Kizer (6-4, 233) is almost identical in size to Roethlisberger (6-4, 240) with both possessing a strong arm to go with mobility and athleticism in a big body. The Steelers could develop Kizer behind Roethlisberger for a year or two before turning the reigns over. Roethlisberger started talking about retirement at the end of the 2016 season, so Pittsburgh wants to be proactive about securing the future of the most important position on the team. They want to hit the ground running with their new quarterback and not miss out on prime years of great offensive weapons like Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown, who could lead Pittsburgh to the Super Bowl. After falling short in the AFC Championship Game last year, the Steelers have a talented roster without a lot of starting positions open for competition. Thus, they can afford to use a first-round pick on a quarterback of the future similar to how Green Bay selected Aaron Rodgers during the final years of Brett Favre's Packer career. In speaking to league sources, it sounds like Kizer is the player that Steelers are targeting in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft. 

 

 

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One Team Hears 49ers Will Select Patrick Mahomes at No. 2

Updated April 24, 2017 
By Walter Cherepinsky. Follow Walter on Twitter @walterfootball. 

The 49ers are a complete mystery right now. No one seems to know what they'll do, as there is no consensus selection among NFL Draft analysts and speculators. With a new front office, there's not even a baseline of what the team could be looking for.

 

Charlie Campbell and I put out feelers to our various team sources. Charlie reported a few days ago that a team believed the 49ers to be "desperate" to trade down. The consensus otherwise was the 49ers selecting Mitchell Trubisky No. 2 overall.

A high-ranking NFC personnel man responded to my query Monday morning, and the name he gave me for San Francisco's pick was a surprising one: 

Patrick Mahomes.

This team source said that he heard over the weekend that the 49ers would take Mahomes at No. 2 overall. Some believe Mahomes to be the best quarterback prospect in this class, so if San Francisco shares that opinion, Mahomes would be just as logical of a selection as Trubisky.

Quarterbacks - mainly Trubisky, but also Deshaun Watson and now Mahomes - have been rumored to San Francisco, and understandably so, given the team's dire need for a quarterback. Taking a signal-caller would block the potential of signing Kirk Cousins, but the 49ers would have a concrete quarterback to build around for certain.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill#cXcXD6tivA0qHqLu.99

If Mahomes, Trubisky and Mahomes go in the top-5, Jets might be taking another D-lineman.

[MDL_JET]

49 minutes ago, AFJF said:

If Mahomes, Trubisky and Mahomes go in the top-5, Jets might be taking another D-lineman.

49ers are just trying to threaten QB hungry teams to trade up with them. I don't think any one is gonna bite though. 

[AFJF]

Just now, MDL_JET said:

49ers are just trying to threaten QB hungry teams to trade up with them. I don't think any one is gonna bite though. 

I agree, but as a cynical Jets fan, had that thought for just a second.

[UnitedWhofans]

59 minutes ago, AFJF said:

If Mahomes, Trubisky and Mahomes go in the top-5, Jets might be taking another D-lineman.

That means Adams or Howard will fall right into their hands. Because Garrett's probably going 1 So that's 4 picks.

[jetfan39]

1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

or we could skip the arguing and go right to the complaining.

don't we need to know who to complain about? 

[C Mart]

2 hours ago, C Mart said:

Not really earth shattering

Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano)

4/25/17, 3:13 PM

.@MikeSilver just reported on "Up to the Minute" @nflnetwork the Browns have talked with 3 teams picking in top-8 about moving up from 12.

 

Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline)

4/25/17, 5:58 PM

@Rotoworld_Draft NY Jets & Jacksonville Jaguars are two- no surprise here..i've heard either the Titans or SF as the third but no confirmation

 

[Sarge4Tide]

I don't understand why Cleveland just doesn't take their QB at #1? Then they could still get a good player at #12 and save all the hassle and picks required to trade up.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

I don't understand why Cleveland just doesn't take their QB at #1? Then they could still get a good player at #12 and save all the hassle and picks required to trade up.

Because all accounts say Garrett is far and away the best player in the draft while Trubisky isn't even the clear cut best QB in the draft. 

[Sarge4Tide]

25 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Because all accounts say Garrett is far and away the best player in the draft while Trubisky isn't even the clear cut best QB in the draft. 

Ok, I accept that, but then why trade up to get him later? If you love Garrett and are lukewarm on Trubisky, take Garrett #1 and just stay at 12

[peebag]

3 hours ago, jetfan39 said:

Thank God the draft is less than 2 days away. We can then stop arguing over who to take and start complaining about who we did take 

this guy gets it!