Tinstar Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Yes, it should. There is no logical argument for starting McCown when it comes to this franchise and its future. Question, what exactly did the rams learn about Jared Goff last season that was so important to rush him on to the field when he clearly wasn't ready . If the Jets feel Hackenberg is ready they should let him sit until he earns his playing time . If Petty isn't capable of outplaying McCown, then it's time to move on from Petty . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Warfish said: Yes, it should. There is no logical argument for starting McCown when it comes to this franchise and its future. Not only are there no logical reasons TO start him there are many many many MANY reasons NOT to start McCown this year. Sadly, I think Bowles is at least as stubborn and stupid as he appears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 53 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: Well what can you say? As long as Bowles is the HC McCown probably will start. If McCown does start with his career record I guess the suck for sam guys will get their wish. With the Jets luck they secure a high draft pick and Darnold stays in school rather than play for them! Can't ya just see it? There are at the very least 5 top tier QB's that will go in round one next draft. The NFL is desperate for quality QB's. We'll get one of the top 3. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, gEYno said: Hackenberg came in third in a QB competition that included Geno Smith and Bryce Petty. Feel better? Yes, keep telling yourself there was a competition if it makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, peebag said: No, that's not what it is. The one thing McCown has that the other two qbs don't is EXPERIENCE . And you don't get that riding the pine. They have to see what they have in Petty and Hack. Maybe they don't have the talent McCown has; maybe they do. But we need to find out this year. Going 6-10 or 8-8 with McCown does nothing for this team. Nice to see peebag took his smart pills today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Nice to see peebag took his smart pills today. See this is the type of quality posting that JetNation fans have come to expect from Mr.Willy. BRA Vo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1st 2nd And 1st... The draft positions of McCown's teams the last 3 years. Let's just hope that doesn't change. We're paying him good money for his draft positioning expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJIII Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Should have drafted Mahomes II... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 While I have no interest in defending anything about Bowles, I still cannot comprehend what kind of logic leads someone to believe that something done one time is a proof of a supposed trend. He deserves no benefit-of-the-doubt after last year, but anyone going on about what he "always" does is fabricating this little story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said: Yes, keep telling yourself there was a competition if it makes you happy. Sure doesn't make me happy. I don't like when the Jets do dumb things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Either Petty or Hack are the real thing, or Tank. Anything else puts us back years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Tinstar said: Question, what exactly did the rams learn about Jared Goff last season that was so important to rush him on to the field when he clearly wasn't ready . If the Jets feel Hackenberg is ready they should let him sit until he earns his playing time . If Petty isn't capable of outplaying McCown, then it's time to move on from Petty . Respectfully, I reject such soft-handed lack of accountability and expectation. A draft pick from the 2nd round must be able to take an NFL snap and look vaguely professional by the start of his second season. If he's not, what the hell are we doing? If he is still unable to even take a snap, the GM who selected him made a massive mistake investing so high for such a long-shot, long-term project player. And in the end, thats an argument for sitting Hack, NOT an argument for playing McCown. Playing McCown is the least effective, useful thing this franchise can do. Even if Hack is sh*t, playing him all season does more for our team than playing McCown one play does. It at least tells us, definitively, that Hack is sh*t, and must be replaced asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Mike135 said: 1st 2nd And 1st... The draft positions of McCown's teams the last 3 years. Let's just hope that doesn't change. We're paying him good money for his draft positioning expertise. damn! if we could get a top QB next year that woudl be great, but i would be happy wth 8 and 8 and we spend a crap load to get the QB we want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, Warfish said: Respectfully, I reject such soft-handed lack of accountability and expectation. A draft pick from the 2nd round must be able to take an NFL snap and look vaguely professional by the start of his second season. If he's not, what the hell are we doing? If he is still unable to even take a snap, the GM who selected him made a massive mistake investing so high for such a long-shot, long-term project player. And in the end, thats an argument for sitting Hack, NOT an argument for playing McCown. Playing McCown is the least effective, useful thing this franchise can do. Even if Hack is sh*t, playing him all season does more for our team than playing McCown one play does. It at least tells us, definitively, that Hack is sh*t, and must be replaced asap. Why can't the coaching staff not playing Hack because they deem him not ready definitively tell you that . The folks who need to see if Hack needs to play are they people who see him on a daily basis, not those who visit camp on select day and think they no better . If you can tell after weeks of playing that Hack is worthless, why can't you believe that those who see him those days and on a daily basis in practice can't . IMO, this seems to be all about what you want instead of what's best for the Jets . Hack will be entering his 2nd year but his 1st year in this new scheme and he might need time to acclimate himself to this scheme . Petty had a year to learn Gailey's system and started games in his 2nd year that proved him less than desirable . McCown has played or been in various schemes and can be a bridge until a suitable replacement presents itself . Like I said, the ball is in Hacks court, because IMO and quite obviously yours, this season has to be all about Hack . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 hours ago, peebag said: No, that's not what it is. The one thing McCown has that the other two qbs don't is EXPERIENCE . And you don't get that riding the pine. They have to see what they have in Petty and Hack. Maybe they don't have the talent McCown has; maybe they do. But we need to find out this year. Going 6-10 or 8-8 with McCown does nothing for this team. The one thing McCown knows that the others don't is how to fit lots of sh!t in a Samsonite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Not saying he'll be good, but IMO Petty will be the opening day starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Tinstar said: Why can't the coaching staff not playing Hack because they deem him not ready definitively tell you that . If we had a good staff, it might. We don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 He's here so the FO can show STH's that they're bringing in a veteran to try to compete. Hack or Petty will take the job soon enough to get a significant number of reps this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Warfish said: If we had a good staff, it might. We don't. For the better part of 40 years, we haven't had a good coaching staff, but the one thing we did have was the same fans who keep flooding radio stations with calls for coaching change . With every change, 2 prior years go out the window and we wonder why things don't change . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 5 hours ago, AFJF said: He's here so the FO can show STH's that they're bringing in a veteran to try to compete. Hack or Petty will take the job soon enough to get a significant number of reps this season. In the meantime please send in your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Tinstar said: For the better part of 40 years, we haven't had a good coaching staff, but the one thing we did have was the same fans who keep flooding radio stations with calls for coaching change . With every change, 2 prior years go out the window and we wonder why things don't change . it would help if Woody would stop hiring absolute morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: In the meantime please send in your money. It's almost like the team wants to maximize profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, AFJF said: It's almost like the team wants to maximize profit. Josh McCown is not putting people in the seats I can assure you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Josh McCown is is not putting people in the seats I can assure you that. He puts more people in the seats than the FO annoucing to STH's that the goal is to go winless does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, AFJF said: He puts more people in the seats than the FO annoucing to STH's that the goal is to go winless does. Has the FO ever openly said that we are tanking on purpose it seems to be the excuse every year, I think its come to smart fans realizing this organization just doesn't get it and the winning formula is nowhere to be found here. You couldn't pay me to be a season ticket holder, been there done that the Kotite year was enough misery and aggravation for a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Has the FO ever openly said that we are tanking on purpose it seems to be the excuse every year, I think its come to smart fans realizing this organization just doesn't get it and the winning formula is nowhere to be found here. I know. It's almost like nobody in the FO reads message boards to find out how to dethrone Belichick and the Pats. So frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, AFJF said: I know. It's almost like nobody in the FO reads message boards to find out how to dethrone Belichick and the Pats. So frustrating. Message boards would be an option considering the inept clueless individuals who are leading the Jets here they could learn a thing or two from message boards. Hey look we signed another free agent nobody wanted the kid ran a 4.25 in pop warner and he has a heartfelt story about his high school playing days in bum**** Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Message boards would be an option considering the inept clueless individuals who are leading the Jets here they could learn a thing or two from message boards. Hey look we signed another free agent nobody wanted the kid ran a 4.25 in pop warner and he has a heartfelt story about his high school playing days in bum**** Egypt. Sounds legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 8 hours ago, AFJF said: He's here so the FO can show STH's that they're bringing in a veteran to try to compete. Hack or Petty will take the job soon enough to get a significant number of reps this season. Well that would require one of them to actually play better than McCown in TC and preseason That's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, thadude said: Well that would require one of them to actually play better than McCown in TC and preseason That's not happening. I could see Hack or Petty, whoever looks better, getting 10 or more starts this season. Either way, it's not out of the question for them to end up with a top-3 pick. win/win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 minute ago, AFJF said: I could see Hack or Petty, whoever looks better, getting 10 or more starts this season. After McCown gets injured or starts the season at like 1-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanJet Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 In my mind there is no way Bowels is going to start anyone BUT McCown because he will be in full win now mode to save his job. This is why you cant do a proper tank job with a coach who needs to win and McCown is good enough to pull out 3-5 wins from this schedule. Don't bank on him getting hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, thadude said: After McCown gets injured or starts the season at like 1-6 Fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Dcat said: it would help if Woody would stop hiring absolute morons. I wonder if people who go to Zoo to see animals ever consider what the animals there're looking at think about them . People who depend on the emotional state of 53 other people to get the Job they were hired to do are morons, but people who pays thousands of dollars to give themselves heart disease due to the efforts of the morons because of the actions of 106 men who get paid millions are smart enough to judge them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 The horror!! How dare an NFL vet say he's going to compete and win for a job??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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