Integrity28 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Every ******* thread must be turned into this guy chasing his own tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: No it shouldn't work like that but it does. That's why so many people in the media nationally praised the job Todd Bowles did. You aren’t making a point. This is a dumb narrative that you insist on pursuing. Read more. Talk less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 People can't seem to get over the ill fates and poor metric for coaching performance of looking at a record only and expectations of that record rather than looking at if the coach is actually doing a really good job or not. It's a faulty way of evaluating a coach and is one used by dumb owners and teams. Has the coach done a good job or poor job and in what phases? Does the coach believe he needs to improve or can you seem him doing the same poor job in one or more aspects of his job? Does his strong points totally out weigh his weak points? Will we win a super bowl with this coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, jetrider said: For keeping Bowles when they had enough sense to fire Mularkey Ours goes 5-11 in back to back seasons, and theirs goes 9-7 in back to back seasons. We extend ours and they get rid of theirs. We are the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: You aren’t making a point. This is a dumb narrative that you insist on pursuing. Read more. Talk less. reading and listening is where I get the narrative. this doesnt come out of thin air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: reading and listening is where I get the narrative Then stop reading stupid sh*t and passing it off here as original thought. Just because it gets tweeted doesn’t make it credible. Furthermore, being redundant with said narrative doesn’t make it any less stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Integrity28 said: Then stop reading stupid sh*t and passing it off here as original thought. Just because it gets tweeted doesn’t make it credible. Furthermore, being redundant with said narrative doesn’t make it any less stupid. It probably is stupid. It's dumb. He's a bad coach. But the Jets aren't a smart organization. They are affected by the media and fanbase. Media said they would suck. Chris Johnson comes out and says "I don't care about wins this year, I care about effort!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: People can't seem to get over the ill fates and poor metric for coaching performance of looking at a record only and expectations of that record rather than looking at if the coach is actually doing a really good job or not. It's a faulty way of evaluating a coach and is one used by dumb owners and teams. Has the coach done a good job or poor job and in what phases? Does the coach believe he needs to improve or can you seem him doing the same poor job in one or more aspects of his job? Does his strong points totally out weigh his weak points? Will we win a super bowl with this coaches? So much focus on retaining Bowles has been about the locker room culture, which albeit is very important, is not really being weighed against the fact that his biggest onfield contributions are largely negative regarding time management, gameday personnel management, and ultra conservative decisionmaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: That’s not how it works. How can you say that's not how it works - when it is, in fact, what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: So much focus on retaining Bowles has been about the locker room culture, which albeit is very important, is not really being weighed against the fact that his biggest onfield contributions are largely negative regarding time management, gameday personnel management, and ultra conservative decisionmaking. oh yeah, well what do you call winning 5 games when the fans and media said we would only win two, smart guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: So much focus on retaining Bowles has been about the locker room culture, which albeit is very important, is not really being weighed against the fact that his biggest onfield contributions are largely negative regarding time management, gameday personnel management, and ultra conservative decisionmaking. I agree with that. But after seeing the many coaching bloopers in this postseason of that nature, I wonder if that is partly a case of the grass being greener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony MaC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Mularkey was a bad hire from the start with his ineffective old school offensive scheme. He was fortunate that the team did better than it had any right to under it but I think its clear the team is plateauing underneath him; they'll never reach their potential under him. As for why the Jets retained Bowles despite doing worse than he did, well clearly they think there's upside to him as a head coach and that he's the right guy to get them where they need to as they rebuild. Most here laugh at the concept and disagree, but I think that's the truth of the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: So much focus on retaining Bowles has been about the locker room culture, which albeit is very important, is not really being weighed against the fact that his biggest onfield contributions are largely negative regarding time management, gameday personnel management, and ultra conservative decisionmaking. I agree except that as I've said before the locker room culture the last two years is not all roses and sunshine despite the younger players supporting the coach. Bowles has utterly failed to get the most out of, effectively discipline or hold to account super high priced vets in his years here so far. Revis, mo wilk, Richardson all problems character wise or performance wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Titans: favored to win the division this year Jets: picked to be the worst team in football Expectations, Expectations, Expectations These people act like all teams are equal and the HC is the total reason why teams win or lose. Hysterical!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I agree with that. But after seeing the many coaching bloopers in this postseason of that nature, I wonder if that is partly a case of the grass being greener Sooner or later you need to stop using the metric you often use. That being, other suck at something thus it is okay for us to suck at something. Andy Read is a fine coach and team builder but he has historically been awful at clock management and not finishing games. The fact that he is bad at this does not diminish even by an ounce that our coach is bad at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 And people act like I think Bowles is a great game coach HE ISN'T. HE'S AWFUL But anyone who has watched the postseason this year and has seen the NUMEROUS errors made by coaches in these games, makes you wonder what is the standard for coaching in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: oh yeah, well what do you call winning 5 games when the fans and media said we would only win two, smart guy You got me there. Bowles and Mac set the bar so low that they parlayed 25 wins in 3 seasons into two year extensions and a raise. Who's the smart one at the end of the day, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: Sooner or later you need to stop using the metric you often use. That being, other suck at something thus it is okay for us to suck at something. Andy Read is a fine coach and team builder but he has historically been awful at clock management and not finishing games. The fact that he is bad at this does not diminish even by an ounce that our coach is bad at this. But if Andy Reid is the standard of head coaching in the NFL, then Bowles is meeting that standard, wouldn't you say. I have not for ONE MOMENT said that Bowles is a great head coach. But what is the standard of coaching in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I agree except that as I've said before the locker room culture the last two years is not all roses and sunshine despite the younger players supporting the coach. Bowles has utterly failed to get the most out of, effectively discipline or hold to account super high priced vets in his years here so far. Revis, mo wilk, Richardson all problems character wise or performance wise. If you can't beat them...cut them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 If Andy Reid and MIke Tomlin are the standard of NFL coaches, no wonder Belichick wins all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: But if Andy Reid is the standard of head coaching in the NFL, then Bowles is meeting that standard, wouldn't you say. If you really look hard enough, the ground and water in the world is kind of flat you know? Are we really sure it's round at the end of the day? #deepthoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Jets Voice of Reason said: If you really look hard enough, the ground and water in the world is kind of flat you know? Are we really sure it's round at the end of the day? #deepthoughts Actually we do. That's been proven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, SAR I said: Rex was very good at one thing. If I were a Jets fan I'd bring him back in a heartbeat as Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach. SAR I Kacy Rogers isn’t in the same stratosphere as Rex Ryan on the defensive side of the ball and I will leave it at that. We would be at least 30% better. No knock on Bowles; I think that Bowles is obviously a great DC as well but he is the HC not DC and Rogers is really learning to be a DC as he goes along and that just isn’t fair to this team’s fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Actually we do. That's been proven Not from what I read or listen to. Have you seen it for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Jets Voice of Reason said: Not from what I read or listen to. Have you seen it for yourself? Go read and watch Cosmos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Go read and watch Cosmos. What does cosmo magazine have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: What does cosmo magazine have to do with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Personal_Voyage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Smart organizations are quick to recognize and act on coaches who are not doing a good job, regardless of their records. The Jets are not one of those organizations and never have been. This should surprise no one on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Personal_Voyage That's not what cimini said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: But if Andy Reid is the standard of head coaching in the NFL, then Bowles is meeting that standard, wouldn't you say. I have not for ONE MOMENT said that Bowles is a great head coach. But what is the standard of coaching in the NFL No I wouldn't say, how many super bowls has any read won? Also: There are dozens of metrics as to what makes a good coach in this league, picking one , as you often seem to do and using it as a valid reason to make an overall judgment is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ChuckkieB said: Smart organizations are quick to recognize and act on coaches who are not doing a good job, regardless of their records. The Jets are not one of those organizations and never have been. This should surprise no one on this board. That's true. And also the Giants are becoming that way too. It took a PR nightmare for McAdoo to be kicked out early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Beerfish said: No I wouldn't say, how many super bowls has any read won? Also: There are dozens of metrics as to what makes a good coach in this league, picking one , as you often seem to do and using it as a valid reason to make an overall judgment is stupid. Except I haven't. I've used several Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Thank god we didn’t fire bowles. This is not the year to be searching for a coach. So many vacancies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Beerfish said: No I wouldn't say, how many super bowls has any read won? Also: There are dozens of metrics as to what makes a good coach in this league, picking one , as you often seem to do and using it as a valid reason to make an overall judgment is stupid. Being a head coach is a hard job and the unfortunate part is that the common transition from coordinator to head coach is a pretty big leap. I think the excruicating part is that Bowles has really not shown much growth or ability to learn, especially in light of the fact that he continually defends his mistakes as good decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Shows you how reactionary the NFL is. The Titans went from 3-13 to back-to-back 9-7 seasons, a playoff berth after 8 years, and a playoff win, yet they fire Mularkey because his team lost to the Patsies at Foxboro, where the Patsies never lose in the playoffs? That's kind of harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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