Lonewolf Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 We need an upgraded O-LINE. Period. Should be a priority. Games are won in the trenches, and we must protect our young QB, as well as create holes for run game. Which O lineman do we target? I think we need at least the best guard available with some treds left on the tires. Must address a lineman ASAP for Darnold. Will Long be a guard or back to center next year? He better bust his ass this offseason IMO- beachum can hold us over for another year but would like an upgrade winters- serviceable Long - better step the f up need pro bowl caliber free agent for carpenter shell- coming into his “shell”. Should be above average tackle for next few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheaRay Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Quality O lineman don't grow on trees. And the good ones, generally, aren't let out the door from teams that drafted them. This is why the Jets need to abandon BPA and target OL in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Agree but jets clearly neglect this, unless it’s late rounds. Don’t see them useing the 3 on a lineman and we have no 2nd rounder. Possibly trade the #3pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 That's why not even talking to Andrew Norwell last year was mind-boggling. Best FA Guard on the market in years. Not a peep from Jets who stand pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Good point nycdan. Norwell young pro bowl player. Unfort it seems in NY they won’t go near it u less it’s a “sexy” pic. Straight up NEED a quality o line to win. If we don’t address this in draft and free agency we will barley improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheaRay Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 If they can't trade down out of 3 and their guy is "projected" at 15 then screw it. Go get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Even though it is hard to find above average O lineman in free agency, the Jets o linemen are so bad, I think they may release them all except Shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 the utter disgrace of macs tenure is all i can say. John Idzik drafted two olineman that are still on the team in two drafts. Mac one in 4. he takes flyers on late round CBs, He has guys like Qvale who are just brutal when ever they have to play on the line for years. ever wonder why in camp leo and sheppard and the rest of our dline 'can't be blocked?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Mac probably listens to his coaches too much at draft time. There was an article once by DrZ a few years back in which he had talked to a long time respected gm /personnel guy. He said "Never listen to your oline coach when it comes time to getting oline talent" because more than any other position coach they think they can make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Matt Paradis, Trent Brown and Jamon Brown new starting C, RT and LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Lol solid quote , makes sense. poor o line def doesn’t help our defensive lineman either is right. I like Jonah Williams in draft but still think we need best fa lineman and it should be our first signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Philc1 wouldn’t mind those signings. We just need new line plane and simple these guys can’t get it done. We need old school, tough, nasty MFers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Beerfish said: the utter disgrace of macs tenure is all i can say. John Idzik drafted two olineman that are still on the team in two drafts. Mac one in 4. he takes flyers on late round CBs, He has guys like Qvale who are just brutal when ever they have to play on the line for years. ever wonder why in camp leo and sheppard and the rest of our dline 'can't be blocked?' Yeah you nail it. Maccagnan just so awful. I mean you don’t have to be an experienced NFL exec, just have the slightest ability to think critically to know, hey, maybe I need to start building an Oline before I have to panic and grab a potential Franchise QB? Even though we’re too embarrassed to even let anyone see my Hackenberg pick take even 1 single solitary snap, maybe I should try upgrading the Oline for even Kirk Cousins? I’ll get him no matter the cost, the fact he’s 4-25 against teams with winning records, no one will find out about that”. 2018 Jets...WORST run blocking team statistically in the NFL, 5th most expensive. Just draft Oline first 5 Rounds this year. Can you imagine Darnold with an Oline who is just semi competent in BOTH Pass and Run blocking? The worst part is I think Darnold will be so good that Maccagnan will be GM for as long as he is a Jet. He’s going to make so many people look good, who shouldn’t...will be a shame in that sense. Getting a new Head Coach isn’t that big a deal in my opinion either, all the Jets need is no better than average and they should be a playoff team for the next 15 years...First Miami game, Cleveland (with Bowles running out the clock with 40 minutes left), Houston (Bowles/KC Rogers D collapses for the Nth time), Green Bay (Bowles/Rogers D collapses for the Nth+1 time)....there is an 8 Win season right there, and Bowles would definitely still be coach. Jets could still be stuck with the worst coach I’ve ever seen on any level. So all be thankful they are not. So only Maccagnan is left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 47 minutes ago, nycdan said: That's why not even talking to Andrew Norwell last year was mind-boggling. Best FA Guard on the market in years. Not a peep from Jets who stand pat. just another one of the Many questionable decisions made by this teams "brain" trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Yeah you nail it. Maccagnan just so awful. I mean you don’t have to be an experienced NFL exec, just have the slightest ability to think critically to know, hey, maybe I need to start building an Oline before I have to panic and grab a potential Franchise QB? Even though we’re too embarrassed to even let anyone see my Hackenberg pick take even 1 single solitary snap, maybe I should try upgrading the Oline for even Kirk Cousins? I’ll get him no matter the cost, the fact he’s 4-25 against teams with winning records, no one will find out about that”. 2018 Jets...WORST run blocking team statistically in the NFL, 5th most expensive. Just draft Oline first 5 Rounds this year. Can you imagine Darnold with an Oline who is just semi competent in BOTH Pass and Run blocking? The worst part is I think Darnold will be so good that Maccagnan will be GM for as long as he is a Jet. He’s going to make so many people look good, who shouldn’t...will be a shame in that sense. Getting a new Head Coach isn’t that big a deal in my opinion either, all the Jets need is no better than average and they should be a playoff team for the next 15 years...First Miami game, Cleveland (with Bowles running out the clock with 40 minutes left), Houston (Bowles/KC Rogers D collapses for the Nth time), Green Bay (Bowles/Rogers D collapses for the Nth+1 time)....there is an 8 Win season right there, and Bowles would definitely still be coach. Jets could still be stuck with the worst coach I’ve ever seen on any level. So all be thankful they are not. So only Maccagnan is left. Agree. Mac has failed to draft a line or even target a pro bowl caliber lineman! Darnolds ceiling is insane, and thw fastest way to get there is by building a fortress around him for years to come. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Damn free agency. IMHO, the time has come for the Jets to sink some early round picks into the O-Line ALA 2006 when Mangini took over. I wouldn't mind going O-Line with our 1st 3 picks LT, Center and Guard in that order Best available at those respective positions rounds 1 through 4. The O-line needs a quality injection of youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, ARodJetsFan said: IMHO, the time has come for the Jets to sink some early round picks into the O-Line ALA 2006 when Mangini took over. I wouldn't mind going O-Line with our 1st 3 picks LT, Center and Guard in that order Best available at those respective positions. Our best draft was taking Brick and Mangold In first round. Both pro bowlers we had for about a decade each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 No. Trade down and draft your olinemen. Free agency is a trap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, Lonewolf said: Philc1 wouldn’t mind those signings. We just need new line plane and simple these guys can’t get it done. We need old school, tough, nasty MFers They will be available in free agency. Question is whether Mac is smart and aggressive enuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: No. Trade down and draft your olinemen. Free agency is a trap With no second rounder it’s hard. Unless oakland want to give us 2 1st rounders and some for our number 3 then draft lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lonewolf said: Our best draft was taking Brick and Mangold In first round. Both pro bowlers we had for about a decade each That was a good one for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lonewolf said: Our best draft was taking Brick and Mangold In first round. Both pro bowlers we had for about a decade each There are other ways to have a good draft. They exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: No. Trade down and draft your olinemen. Free agency is a trap Damien Woody, James Carpenter, Kevin Mawae, Jumbo Elliot. I know I’m forgetting a really solid guard too. Pete Kendall was it or was he bad? Someone remind me. But anyway, I feel like offensive line is actually one of the better places to get free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Damien Woody, James Carpenter, Kevin Mawae, Jumbo Elliot. I know I’m forgetting a really solid guard too. Pete Kendall was it or was he bad? Someone remind me. But anyway, I feel like offensive line is actually one of the better places to get free agents. Kendall helped us get to two playoff appearances in 3 years before Mangini ran him out of town Yes, you can sign quality OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, SheaRay said: Quality O lineman don't grow on trees. And the good ones, generally, aren't let out the door from teams that drafted them. This is why the Jets need to abandon BPA and target OL in the draft. May have to give up something big on D for a great young OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Lonewolf said: Good point nycdan. Norwell young pro bowl player. Unfort it seems in NY they won’t go near it u less it’s a “sexy” pic. Straight up NEED a quality o line to win. If we don’t address this in draft and free agency we will barley improve Faneca was Tanny's sexiest FA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Lonewolf said: We need an upgraded O-LINE. Period. Should be a priority. Games are won in the trenches, and we must protect our young QB, as well as create holes for run game. Which O lineman do we target? I think we need at least the best guard available with some treds left on the tires. Must address a lineman ASAP for Darnold. Will Long be a guard or back to center next year? He better bust his ass this offseason IMO- beachum can hold us over for another year but would like an upgrade winters- serviceable Long - better step the f up need pro bowl caliber free agent for carpenter shell- coming into his “shell”. Should be above average tackle for next few years A realistic but challenging plan.... Sign Center Matt Paradis. Slide Long permanently to Left Guard and backup Center. Let Carpenter walk. Draft Jonah Williams to play RT in 2019. Compete Shell against both Winters and Long at OG for 2019 and let him play backup RT to Williams. Beachum for one more year at LT until sliding Williams over there in 2020. Shell goes back to RT. 2019 LT - Beachum LG - Long C - Paradis RG - Winters RT - Williams In 2019 you'd likely have upgraded LG (Carpenter to Long), Center (Long to Paradis) and RT (Shell to Williams) 2020 LT - J. Williams LG - Long (or FA or Draft pick) C - Paradis RG - Winters (or FA or Draft pick) RT - Shell In Spring of 2019, the Jets would probably look at a FA or draft upgrade for at least one of the OG spots. Get younger and get better while hopefully having Center, Left Tackle and Right Tackle locked down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, jetstream23 said: A realistic but challenging plan.... Sign Center Matt Paradis. Slide Long permanently to Left Guard and backup Center. Let Carpenter walk. Draft Jonah Williams to play RT in 2019. Compete Shell against both Winters and Long at OG for 2019 and let him play backup RT to Williams. Beachum for one more year at LT until sliding Williams over there in 2020. Shell goes back to RT. 2018 LT - Beachum LG - Long C - Paradis RG - Winters RT - Williams In 2018 you'd likely have upgraded LG (Carpenter to Long), Center (Long to Paradis) and RT (Shell to Williams) 2019 LT - J. Williams LG - Long C - Paradis RG - Winters RT - Shell In 2019, the Jets would probably look at a FA or draft upgrade for at least one of the OG spots. Get younger and get better while hopefully have Center, Left Tackle and Right Tackle locked down. I like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Damien Woody, James Carpenter, Kevin Mawae, Jumbo Elliot. I know I’m forgetting a really solid guard too. Pete Kendall was it or was he bad? Someone remind me. But anyway, I feel like offensive line is actually one of the better places to get free agents. I think things have changed. Teams seem to know the value of the guards and centers now. The cap is so high now that teams can keep guys they want more easily. There is more chaff than wheat out there nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: A realistic but challenging plan.... Sign Center Matt Paradis. Slide Long permanently to Left Guard and backup Center. Let Carpenter walk. Draft Jonah Williams to play RT in 2019. Compete Shell against both Winters and Long at OG for 2019 and let him play backup RT to Williams. Beachum for one more year at LT until sliding Williams over there in 2020. Shell goes back to RT. 2019 LT - Beachum LG - Long C - Paradis RG - Winters RT - Williams In 2019 you'd likely have upgraded LG (Carpenter to Long), Center (Long to Paradis) and RT (Shell to Williams) 2020 LT - J. Williams LG - Long C - Paradis RG - Winters RT - Shell In 2019, the Jets would probably look at a FA or draft upgrade for at least one of the OG spots. Get younger and get better while hopefully have Center, Left Tackle and Right Tackle locked down. Don’t know much about OL in this year’s draft or FA, but on the surface, this seems well researched and thought out. I’m in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Damien Woody, James Carpenter, Kevin Mawae, Jumbo Elliot. I know I’m forgetting a really solid guard too. Pete Kendall was it or was he bad? Someone remind me. But anyway, I feel like offensive line is actually one of the better places to get free agents. Faneca was a stud. He helped D'Brick and Mangold alot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 32 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: Faneca was a stud. He helped D'Brick and Mangold alot... That’s who I was thinking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Paradis is a top 15 OL in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Damien Woody, James Carpenter, Kevin Mawae, Jumbo Elliot. I know I’m forgetting a really solid guard too. Pete Kendall was it or was he bad? Someone remind me. But anyway, I feel like offensive line is actually one of the better places to get free agents. At some point Brandon Moore was a good one for us. Going back a bit further, Dwayne White, the Road Grader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, peekskill68 said: Faneca was a stud. He helped D'Brick and Mangold alot... He pulled like a beast.. I don’t know why it’s so hard for Mac to comprehend, he has a top pick every yr. he could have copied the mangini blueprint, draft 2 studs top of a draft, mac had 4 drafts, didn’t draft 1 OL before 6 round ?and just sign 1 pricey FA and we can plug in the other 2 spots.. it’s not rocket science, mac makes himself look like a bigger idiot than he is by going around saying he can find a OL gem in the late rounds.. ya sure, I may hit on powerball too, but my odds are a lot better playing the pick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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