Kingmaker Mafia - Game Over, Scum Win!

[AVM]

11 hours ago, Drums said:

@AVM, welcome. You've been here, got any reads? What do you think of this Greece guy?

Few reads:

Feel great about Crush, 80, CTM...but I'd bet my savings on Crush ATM. No read on my dears Leelou and Nyn, yet. Same with Nolder, though I feel less okay about him than the others.

I wasn't reading JiF as scummy yet but he got some quick votes today so I want to hear more there - from him and Crush/CTM. GATA pinged in my read early before I joined the game...not much since. Lots of quiet - I'd like to see more from the new players (to me)...you, Greece, kdels, Barry and jvill. 

Stark a little too quiet, too...don't like the hiding bunch.

10 hours ago, Verbal said:

It was not a quiet night in the kingdom.  Assassins were at work.  They crept along in the shadows, searching for their prey.  They eventually found him, locked up in his room in the process of sending dick pics to random strangers.  It was an awkward situation, as even the assassins were reluctant to go near him in this state, but they overcame their hesitation and plunged daggers into his body.  Like, a lot.

 

Pac, Villager, and backup Kingmaker, has been nightkilled!

 

But not all is lost!  (No, seriously, it's just Pac.  Really, who cares?)  The kingmaker made their choice, and another King has risen to lead the kingdom for another day!

 

AVM is the King.  All hail the King!

 

It is now Day 2.  There is no deadline for this day, but I'll impose one if needed.

 

It takes 1 to lynch.

OH HELL YEAH

My first act as King, since I don't want to disappoint CTM, is to declare this spidey meme weekend! By the end of this weekend I'll describe the play of each of you via spidey meme. Lame and stupid? Doesn't matter what you think, peasant!

8 hours ago, Nolder said:

@AVM how do you want to do this my liege?

 

Will you be following the former Queen's example and have us voting?

Ohhhh ho ho....we're voting and discussing, Mr. Slow. And there's my second act as King - there can only be one! As I also can't name you prince since I maintain that title, you'll be Mr. King for the day. 

Now back to business...

Crush indicated he wanted to expand on JiF this morning, I want to hear that...as CTM noted above let's shake that tree then maybe shake some other inactives, too.

Nol, you have a top 3? Anyone else? 

[jvill 51]

Vote Greece

Again with the drive by vote on the GATAbot. What’s the deal Greece?

[kdels62]

I swear suddenly having an influx of work from home, free agency, the JN mock draft and this mafia is a lot to think about. I’m gonna do some reading in this thread to see what I get.

[GATA]

21 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

Vote Greece

Again with the drive by vote on the GATAbot. What’s the deal Greece?

He doesn’t like being corrected lol

[kdels62]

Still pretty sure Greece is Ape. But also I don’t disagree that JiF’s game is different. But this whole game type could change people’s game especially players that love to flaunt their “talents”. 
 

Also for some reason whenever Crush is aggressive he comes off as scum. I don’t know if that means anything.

[Barry McCockinner]

On 3/19/2020 at 3:12 PM, Leelou said:

Have you fully joined us in 2020? If so, any leans yet? 

 

On 3/19/2020 at 3:14 PM, deckerfan said:

i think pac is town id look elsewhere

we were scum the previous game also, not that it matters. HEY that game was 2020! I joined you guys in this decade. Happy now?  

 

On 3/19/2020 at 3:48 PM, deckerfan said:

Drugs or an act. Or I’m town or scum. Or just tired 4 AM Dicker. You pick? ? 

   

On 3/19/2020 at 4:04 PM, Spoot-Face said:

How so?

 

On 3/19/2020 at 4:09 PM, deckerfan said:

 

I’m sorry I’m posting on dumb phone or else I’d say something else noncoherent

consider yourself spared from further pain, u tune me out 90% anyways

^^^

decker randomly makes his one read as PAC who ends up getting NK'd and flips town

On 3/19/2020 at 4:10 PM, Nynaeve said:

I disagree. I think he's prolly town. I dont see him doing all of that as scum. He seems jazzed up and inquisitive. He seems pretty transparent to me so far. It's weird but in a good way imo

He seemed like the same guy as last game to me. I was scum mates w/him last game. Maybe a more nuanced read by nyn since she's played w/him more?

On 3/19/2020 at 4:27 PM, Leelou said:

Not voting for today:

Nyn

Pac

@Leelou did you ever explain why you wouldn't vote pac yesterday?

On 3/19/2020 at 4:49 PM, Nolder said:

Mmmm. Just for the record our king could be bad right?

Im not getting those vibes from Leelou yet so CTM is probably just trolling but it's still something to keep in mind later that we might not always want to jump through all of the kings hoops because it could be designed to waste time.

Nolder seems more talkative and engaged so far this game. Last game he was very quiet the entire game. Maybe nothing more than he's just more excited about a kingmaker game but definitely a different vibe than when he was VT last game.

On 3/19/2020 at 9:38 PM, deckerfan said:

Regardless, I stand by the fact that I'm not a fan of just lynching Pac for lulz typically. It's as ill-advised (IMO) as Spoot's "Lynch Decker before D3, he's dangerous to Town if he survives after that." Hearing that makes me want to shoot him.

 Speaking of which, Spoot's push and self-vote are easy things for him to hide behind. I'd be tempted to shoot him if I had the Kign powers ... I'm trying not to "suspect" Spoot too much for the wrong reasons, because his pressuring me blinds me with a little bias ... biases such as "omg he's going after me again, he's SCUM!" That bias is the same with 80 and his responses concerning "Decker is my #2"

maybe just a slip of the tongue but decker was talking about wanting to shoot people.

Decker was replaced by AVM who is now king. Hopefully he makes a solid bus kill D2. ?

I thought the PAC NK was interesting. He didn't make any reads or anything - just was pac being pac. Maybe they thought it was a good move because his train built up and that obfuscated things. Maybe he has a history of self-voting when he has a PR?

80 pinged a bit for me when he tried too hard to make it seem like I thought I could influence the king late D1 with my crusher vote, then followed up w/a quick vote on me this morning.

I know it was only a 20 minute wait, but I literally watched drums bounce in and out of the thread after I asked him if he liked playing town or scum better (he's only played town prior to this game). Probably just too quick to expect a response but when I saw him recent browsing/not recent browsing/recent browsing during that time when he was active I thought he'd respond. He does strike me as a more calculated player who is going to take his time to formulate an answer - so maybe nothing but someone I'll be paying attention to.

Can someone explain to me why decker posting crap from the last kingmaker game was scummy? Seemed like he was just trying to get an idea of how these games play out to me.

My thoughts/questions so far.

 

[Barry McCockinner]

38 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I swear suddenly having an influx of work from home, free agency, the JN mock draft and this mafia is a lot to think about. I’m gonna do some reading in this thread to see what I get.

I somehow missed that you were playing. You were much, much quieter D1 than last game when you were town and made 13 votes. 

[CTM]

59 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

Vote Greece

Again with the drive by vote on the GATAbot. What’s the deal Greece?

He's a luddite

[jvill 51]

16 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

 

   

 

^^^

decker randomly makes his one read as PAC who ends up getting NK'd and flips town

He seemed like the same guy as last game to me. I was scum mates w/him last game. Maybe a more nuanced read by nyn since she's played w/him more?

@Leelou did you ever explain why you wouldn't vote pac yesterday?

Nolder seems more talkative and engaged so far this game. Last game he was very quiet the entire game. Maybe nothing more than he's just more excited about a kingmaker game but definitely a different vibe than when he was VT last game.

maybe just a slip of the tongue but decker was talking about wanting to shoot people.

Decker was replaced by AVM who is now king. Hopefully he makes a solid bus kill D2. ?

I thought the PAC NK was interesting. He didn't make any reads or anything - just was pac being pac. Maybe they thought it was a good move because his train built up and that obfuscated things. Maybe he has a history of self-voting when he has a PR?

80 pinged a bit for me when he tried too hard to make it seem like I thought I could influence the king late D1 with my crusher vote, then followed up w/a quick vote on me this morning.

I know it was only a 20 minute wait, but I literally watched drums bounce in and out of the thread after I asked him if he liked playing town or scum better (he's only played town prior to this game). Probably just too quick to expect a response but when I saw him recent browsing/not recent browsing/recent browsing during that time when he was active I thought he'd respond. He does strike me as a more calculated player who is going to take his time to formulate an answer - so maybe nothing but someone I'll be paying attention to.

Can someone explain to me why decker posting crap from the last kingmaker game was scummy? Seemed like he was just trying to get an idea of how these games play out to me.

My thoughts/questions so far.

 

Good post. The Decker/Pac thing could be Decker knowing too much. I don’t really understand the NK of him either, I didn’t see him make any strong reads and not many potential kings would have hesitated to lynch him. Could just be a NK to not give town any leads.

I think LeeLou explained her reasoning as being no one made an actual serious case against Pac.

80 I’m still trying to get a read on. Last game we were scummates and I don’t notice any overt similarities to his style, but no differences have stood out either.

The Drums thing seems like making something out of nothing to me. Plus I like that he picked up on Nyn playing similar to the way she did when she destroyed town a couple of days ago.

The Decker wall of text pinged because it was a ton of unhelpful info from years ago, and normally I’d think of that as an attempt to misdirect. But after I thought about it a bit I’m with you, a combination of weird Decker-ness and trying to figure out the variant.

[CTM]

33 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Still pretty sure Greece is Ape

Hmm..I haven't noticed any racism yet, will keep an eye on it though

[Drums]

On 3/18/2020 at 5:31 PM, jvill 51 said:

LeeLou, your grace, allow to offer my explanation for why Pac should indeed be the choice to be sent to the gallows or, better yet, have his head stuck on a pike.

As you will clearly observe, if you have not already, he possesses an extremely unearned sense of bravado that will only grow, for reasons that defy explanation, as the game progresses. His ego threatens to swallow your reign whole, and Pac himself is no stranger to swallowing things whole given his clearly projection-driven penchant to give everyone an objectively horrendous nickname based on homosexuality or phallic objects.

I imagine that should your reign at some point end and you join the rank of the peasants, you will rue the day you decided to let him survive. Should the kingmaker inexplicably name Pac king, we will all undoubtedly be subjected to a king that makes Joffrey look like George Washington without the slaves.

Also, he sucks.

Vote Pac

 

On 3/18/2020 at 7:00 PM, Verbal said:

Fake Vote Count:

Pac (6) - 80, CTM, Barry, Pac, Jvill, Kdels

Nolder (2) - GATA, Stark

Spoot (2) - Spoot, Decker

Stark (1) - Drums

I don't know about you guys, but I'm trying to look into who would have killed Pac. Unfortunately that list is quite long but Jvill and 80 seem the most eager to kill him so far. (Only on page 14)

[Drums]

37 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

I know it was only a 20 minute wait, but I literally watched drums bounce in and out of the thread after I asked him if he liked playing town or scum better (he's only played town prior to this game). Probably just too quick to expect a response but when I saw him recent browsing/not recent browsing/recent browsing during that time when he was active I thought he'd respond. He does strike me as a more calculated player who is going to take his time to formulate an answer - so maybe nothing but someone I'll be paying attention to.

 

 

Yeah man you were literally too impatient because I was responding to something else and had no idea you quoted me. Once I noticed, I answered you. Plain and simple. 

[kdels62]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

I somehow missed that you were playing. You were much, much quieter D1 than last game when you were town and made 13 votes. 

You’re implication is not missed. I just find myself without much to do or say because 1) day one is dumb especially since our votes don’t really matter 2) have you watched the show GLOW it’s really good.

[Drums]

On 3/19/2020 at 2:32 PM, jvill 51 said:

Unvote Vote Barry

Jvill, was your vote on Pac a joke and this more serious? Why the change?

[Barry McCockinner]

On 3/18/2020 at 7:31 PM, jvill 51 said:

LeeLou, your grace, allow to offer my explanation for why Pac should indeed be the choice to be sent to the gallows or, better yet, have his head stuck on a pike.

As you will clearly observe, if you have not already, he possesses an extremely unearned sense of bravado that will only grow, for reasons that defy explanation, as the game progresses. His ego threatens to swallow your reign whole, and Pac himself is no stranger to swallowing things whole given his clearly projection-driven penchant to give everyone an objectively horrendous nickname based on homosexuality or phallic objects.

I imagine that should your reign at some point end and you join the rank of the peasants, you will rue the day you decided to let him survive. Should the kingmaker inexplicably name Pac king, we will all undoubtedly be subjected to a king that makes Joffrey look like George Washington without the slaves.

Also, he sucks.

Vote Pac

 

9 minutes ago, Drums said:

 

I don't know about you guys, but I'm trying to look into who would have killed Pac. Unfortunately that list is quite long but Jvill and 80 seem the most eager to kill him so far. (Only on page 14)

The post you quoted from jvill was obviously a joke. I think the entire train may be but I'd have to look back to verify. One reason why he may have been a safe NK option.

[Drums]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

 

The post you quoted from jvill was obviously a joke. I think the entire train may be but I'd have to look back to verify. One reason why he may have been a safe NK option.

Please do. 

[Gone]

vote 80

[Gone]

18 hours ago, Nolder said:

Yeah but imma hold them until D2 starts. Don't want to tip my hand sorry.

Of course

It's D2 now though so go right ahead.

[Gone]

12 hours ago, CTM said:

Vote jif

 

12 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Vote JiF 

I don't hate these votes cause he does seem rather luckluster. 

[Drums]

On 3/19/2020 at 4:48 PM, JiF said:

Reading up now.  Nothing to pingy.  Only Barry pushing making a decision.   Jville calling it out but still wanting to kill Pac but then I liked him pointing out that Decker's ridiculous post could have been a diversion but that's just some out there sh*t so I dont really know what to think of it. 

Where you leaning? Who's your top 3?  I've still got a few pages to read. 

 

Jif, what's up? Thought you'd be more involved by now. No vote D1. Maybe some of you don't think the votes matter but I like looking at them as an extra piece to the puzzle.  Just had nothing to go on or what?

[Gone]

11 hours ago, GATA said:

Can you explain the JiF Meta thing ? 

You didn't ask me but I'll give you my take. Though I would think you'd know this already since you're hardly a noob...

As town JiF rains bravado to the point where it makes you sick. He's a lot more present and a hell of a lot more vocal than what he's done so far in the game. It's a purely meta based impression. And it means more to me personally when two players like Crusher and CTM, who know him a lot longer than me, feel that way. 

[Gone]

10 hours ago, CTM said:

I mean.. votes are subject to change and don't even count really. We are at the mercy of the spidey meme spamming mini penguin douche for the lynch

I'm not married to this vote but I like the idea of shaking his tree a bit.

Part of the game is to apply pressure and fish for reactions. 

this exchange feels weird.

Why are you talking to Gata as if she's a noob?

[jvill 51]

4 minutes ago, Drums said:

Jvill, was your vote on Pac a joke and this more serious? Why the change?

Yes, although I would have been fine lynching him for the info on his train as I didn’t see any other apparent super-scummy behavior. And also because he’s Pac.

Changed because LeeLou said she wouldn’t kill him, and changed to Barry because of his post pushing LeeLou to make a decision when the game was starting to get serious (he has since said it was a joke but I didn’t take it as such)

[JustInFudge]

8 hours ago, CTM said:

Jif town tells out the wazoo when town. Usually one of the easier town reads in the game.  If I don't quickly get the feeling that Jif is town then it's an auto scum lean for me which is where we are here.

Mind you, we have very little to go on as day 1 was not productive and I still don't know about this whole king variant tbh. Part of me wants to lynch the king maker so we can go back to normal mafia

Also agree with you that Nolderp is a good candidate for reasons stated

 

8 hours ago, GATA said:

I’m pretty bad at reading JIF the one notorious thing I haven’t seen him say is the 

“My favorite role” bit he does when he rolls Town. I saw him complain about setup too so that would be the only thing that makes me weary about voting him right away. 

@The Crusher why are you voting your boom boom toy? 

This is disgusting not because it's me but because there is nothing I can to to defend here.  CTM has been setting this up since yesterday claiming meta.  How can you use meta in this game?  It's totally different and I've done what I typically do.  Read everything and provide reads.   The King makes the decision.  This is a feels case that he just made real but his feels are stupid.  I'm doing me.  

And Gata calling out, JiF hasnt said his favorite line is doubly gross.  Last game I was lynched for some similar bull sh*t, no actual case, just stupid meta and everyone listened to one of the worst town players in the game, the Ape.  Here we are again, framing a case I cant defend and Gata pushing it with the stupidity of JiF hasnt said his favorite line - the line that everyone told me was WIFOM last game.  Cant make this sh*t up.

Both arent scum.  No way they'd be this blatant.  I was reading CTM as town but this case is stupid and weak and lacks any real effort.  Gata pushing it along, when there was no actual case looks worse though. 

 

[Drums]

On 3/19/2020 at 5:29 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

It's D1 where people are joking and posting GIFs and sh*t. At some point I guess joke time is over and we're super serious. Someone has to die though - might as well be me.

This was your go-to excuse last game as scum. "Oh, vote me and you'll see..."

Yeah.

[Barry McCockinner]

22 minutes ago, Drums said:

Yeah man you were literally too impatient because I was responding to something else and had no idea you quoted me. Once I noticed, I answered you. Plain and simple. 

Were you responding to something else on this site?

[JustInFudge]

11 hours ago, CTM said:

Jif town tells out the wazoo when town. Usually one of the easier town reads in the game.  If I don't quickly get the feeling that Jif is town then it's an auto scum lean for me which is where we are here.

Mind you, we have very little to go on as day 1 was not productive and I still don't know about this whole king variant tbh. Part of me wants to lynch the king maker so we can go back to normal mafia

Also agree with you that Nolderp is a good candidate for reasons stated

Notice the hedging too.?

Gross.  

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, Drums said:

This was your go-to excuse last game as scum. "Oh, vote me and you'll see..."

Yeah.

link?

[JustInFudge]

12 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Vote JiF 

 

10 hours ago, The Crusher said:

His tone early in the game. I’m going to sleep, I’ll give you more tomorrow 

My tone early in the game?  GTFO.  This is coming from the guy that was complaining and asking for a sub the entire D1.

I pointed it out that it could be cover, put you in my top 3, this feels very much like getting behind CTM.

This is all disgusting.  Crusher, Gata, CTM.  Gross, gross, gross.   Again, not all scum but none of this is productive, at all. 

[Drums]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Were you responding to something else on this site?

Yeah didn't I respond to someone on that same page? Keep in mind I am also working from home and am not spending all of my working hours on this thread even if I have the tab open. Doesn't mean I am avoiding any questions, because I don't avoid anything. 

[Gone]

2 hours ago, AVM said:

Few reads:

Feel great about Crush, 80, CTM...but I'd bet my savings on Crush ATM. No read on my dears Leelou and Nyn, yet. Same with Nolder, though I feel less okay about him than the others.

I wasn't reading JiF as scummy yet but he got some quick votes today so I want to hear more there - from him and Crush/CTM. GATA pinged in my read early before I joined the game...not much since. Lots of quiet - I'd like to see more from the new players (to me)...you, Greece, kdels, Barry and jvill. 

Stark a little too quiet, too...don't like the hiding bunch.

OH HELL YEAH

My first act as King, since I don't want to disappoint CTM, is to declare this spidey meme weekend! By the end of this weekend I'll describe the play of each of you via spidey meme. Lame and stupid? Doesn't matter what you think, peasant!

Ohhhh ho ho....we're voting and discussing, Mr. Slow. And there's my second act as King - there can only be one! As I also can't name you prince since I maintain that title, you'll be Mr. King for the day. 

Now back to business...

Crush indicated he wanted to expand on JiF this morning, I want to hear that...as CTM noted above let's shake that tree then maybe shake some other inactives, too.

Nol, you have a top 3? Anyone else? 

80, stark, maybe JiF (though I'd like to see more from him). The none posters I have no opinion on cause they haven't been posting. Gata also seems somewhat subdued and asking stuff I'd expect her to know. Not sure if it means anything yet. CTM seems more involved now and made some posts that I liked yesterday.

Drums I think might have just been exposed to bad influence so I'm letting that go atm. And I think Barry trended up considerably. Leelou I don't mind either so far. Haven't seen anything that bothered me about her.

And I thought dicker seemed townie ie your slot. We'll see what you do.

[JustInFudge]

10 hours ago, CTM said:

I mean.. votes are subject to change and don't even count really. We are at the mercy of the spidey meme spamming mini penguin douche for the lynch

I'm not married to this vote but I like the idea of shaking his tree a bit.

Part of the game is to apply pressure and fish for reactions. 

More hedging...

no conviction.

GROSS

[Gone]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

I swear suddenly having an influx of work from home, free agency, the JN mock draft and this mafia is a lot to think about. I’m gonna do some reading in this thread to see what I get.

brilliant, I'd love to hear more from you.

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, Drums said:

Yeah didn't I respond to someone on that same page? Keep in mind I am also working from home and am not spending all of my working hours on this thread even if I have the tab open. Doesn't mean I am avoiding any questions, because I don't avoid anything. 

No - I asked the question at 2:58 PM yesterday. You posted at 2:52 PM, were bouncing in and out of the thread after my post at 2:58 PM, then didn't make another post on this site until you responded to me at 3:29 PM.

 

The below is a screenshot from your posting history.

 

So either I caught you in a lie, or you're confused.

 

[Gone]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

Still pretty sure Greece is Ape. But also I don’t disagree that JiF’s game is different. But this whole game type could change people’s game especially players that love to flaunt their “talents”. 
 

Also for some reason whenever Crush is aggressive he comes off as scum. I don’t know if that means anything.

Where did Crusher seem aggressive to you?