2021 New York Mets Thread

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, Lith said:

Love this.  Just gotta make sure we can extend Lindor beyond 2021.

Sandy's back in town! Teams must be scared off by the new contract needed. Cohen has a leg up on any team not named the Dodgers and Angels.

[Icer]

Never would have happened under Fred Coupon. Love it

[Lith]

9 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Sandy's back in town! Teams must be scared off by the new contract needed. Cohen has a leg up on any team not named the Dodgers and Angels.

Yup.  Probably got him cheap because of the impending FA.   Alderson has said we will start extension discussions but nothing guaranteed.  Hoepfullly we lock hiim up. 

[Wonderboy]

3 hours ago, Lith said:

 

Sandy thanked the Indians for the trade. It’s the least he could do.

[32EBoozer]

13 hours ago, Lith said:

Yup.  Probably got him cheap because of the impending FA.   Alderson has said we will start extension discussions but nothing guaranteed.  Hoepfullly we lock hiim up. 

Pressure now squarely on Rojas if he wants to stick around. He will at least need a trip to the playoffs to get an opportunity next season. Cohen’s a big fan and laying out the $ to see the playoffs. A first round sweep will get Rojas shown the door for another veteran manager with winning playoff experience. 
Rojas will also need to make the right decision in getting Smith AB if there is no DH, getting Alonso on track(more Chili role) and determining where McNeill plays (3rd, 2nd or OF). I believe having McNeill/Davis locked into a position will help them off/def. 

Are we staying with the same pitching coach next year? That bullpen needs to get sorted out!! 

[Anthony Jet]

14 hours ago, Lith said:

Exactly.  It is like a Bill O'Brien trade, except we are not playing the O'Brien role.

Which is unbelievable 

[32EBoozer]

18 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

Which is unbelievable 

What really is unbelievable is the fact that we could be looking at another 1968 through 1973 Knicks, Mets, Jets Rangers Simultaneous play off push! ?

[Scott Dierking]

So, as we stand here today, the line-up is:

1. Lindor SS

2. McNeil 2B

3. Alonso 1B

4. Conforto RF

5. Smith LF

6. Davis 3B

7. McCann C

8. Nimmo CF

Staff

1. deGrom

2. Strohman

3. Carrasco

4. Peterson

5. Matz 

(Syndergaard, June)

Current comments/concerns:

CF defense- They probably are still going to sign Bradley JR or Springer and improve that spot defensively

DH- With the above scenario, Nimmo slides into the DH role, if there is one, and in AL parks. Nimmo also replaces Smith in late inning defense.

-Infield back up- Guillorme now is the super-utility guy. They need another type of guy like that on the bench.

-Ugghh-When Cano comes back it throws the entire salary budget out of whack. Wonder if Cohen just tries to buy him out?

-Age of the rotation and the number of SP free agents after this season- Mets need to start developing those young pitchers quickly. Slight blow to the farm system losing Wolf.

-Contract extensions for Conforto and Syndergaard (? Tricky, not knowing how he comes back)

 

[Anthony Jet]

If I remember correctly, There were talks in that terrible cano deal, that Kleminc could’ve been substituted with Nimmo, was there any truth to that? 

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, Anthony Jet said:

If I remember correctly, There were talks in that terrible cano deal, that Kleminc could’ve been substituted with Nimmo, was there any truth to that? 

Never heard that, but God, I hope not.

[RutgersJetFan]

4 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

So, as we stand here today, the line-up is:

1. Lindor SS

2. McNeil 2B

3. Alonso 1B

4. Conforto RF

5. Smith LF

6. Davis 3B

7. McCann C

8. Nimmo CF

 

On paper you have to put this lineup against any other team out there. That is a monstrous front four. 

[32EBoozer]

5 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

CF defense- They probably are still going to sign Bradley JR or Springer and improve that spot defensively

DH- With the above scenario, Nimmo slides into the DH role, if there is one, and in AL parks. Nimmo also replaces Smith in late inning defense.

I think Nimmo goes to RF. Dom &JD rotate LF dependent on opposing pitcher. Dom also fills in for Pete dependent on opposing pitcher. 
 

I’ve been long opposed to DH in NL; however it benefits us by allowing JD & Dom in the lineup along with Pete. 

[Wonderboy]

28 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

On paper you have to put this lineup against any other team out there. That is a monstrous front four. 

Smith cannot be the LF. Sandy already stated yesterday this ain’t happening. If NL goes DH this year then Alonso and Dom swap DH/1st base. I want to keep JD at 3rd. He’s not as bad as defensively as many think. Crazy to pay Rockies 3rd baseman when JD can be kept and produce offensively even better. Just get a defensive 3rd baseman to come in late in games. Get Springer to play CF and slide Nimmo to left. 

[Scott Dierking]

32 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I think Nimmo goes to RF. Dom &JD rotate LF dependent on opposing pitcher. Dom also fills in for Pete dependent on opposing pitcher. 
 

I’ve been long opposed to DH in NL; however it benefits us by allowing JD & Dom in the lineup along with Pete. 

Conforto stays in RF because of his arm.

[Scott Dierking]

32 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Smith cannot be the LF. Sandy already stated yesterday this ain’t happening. If NL goes DH this year then Alonso and Dom swap DH/1st base. I want to keep JD at 3rd. He’s not as bad as defensively as many think. Crazy to pay Rockies 3rd baseman when JD can be kept and produce offensively even better. Just get a defensive 3rd baseman to come in late in games. Get Springer to play CF and slide Nimmo to left. 

I really don't see how they sign Springer. Bradley Jr fills the bill and gives greater flexibility to then extending Lindor, Conforto and Syndergaard if they deem him useful.

[32EBoozer]

9 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Conforto stays in RF because of his arm.

OMG how could I have forgotten Conforto?! My favorite Met along with de Grom.

 

Thanks.

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

I really don't see how they sign Springer. Bradley Jr fills the bill and gives greater flexibility to then extending Lindor, Conforto and Syndergaard if they deem him useful.

They have the money  they’re at 181M and can go up to 220M I believe 

[Scott Dierking]

29 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

They have the money  they’re at 181M and can go up to 220M I believe 

Luxury threshold is 210M for 2021.

But they still have salary arbitration, and you can be sure they want to develop extensions for Conforto and Lindor. Do they have room to make moves? Yes. But not huge ones. 

Also, remember, Cano's salary comes back on the books in 2022 and 2023.

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Luxury threshold is 210M for 2021.

But they still have salary arbitration, and you can be sure they want to develop extensions for Conforto and Lindor. Do they have room to make moves? Yes. But not huge ones. 

Also, remember, Cano's salary comes back on the books in 2022 and 2023.

Yeah you have a good point. A 5-7 yr. contract for a 31 yr. old Springer & a Mookie Betts type deal for 27 yr. old Lindor? That's a lot of money there. I guess it depends if Cohen wants to make a WS trip next yr. or see if someone is available next yr. in FA

I'd probably go with Lindor and Bradley, just because of Cano returning to haunt us next yr. And we have McNeill, Pete and Dom needing a new contract in the next few years if they prove to be keepers.

[32EBoozer]

Just heard on ESPN that Mets/Cubs in talks about a trade for Kris Bryant! Wow

According to Mike Puma, the Mets and Cubshave discussed a potential trade for star third baseman Kris Bryant. Puma notes that the Cubs “really like” Mets catching prospect Francisco Álvarez.

 

The 2016 National League MVP had the worst season of his career in 2020, hitting for a 76 wRC+ in just 34 games. He did demonstrate competency in the field, however, netting a 3.9 UZR/150, his best since his MVP season and a full four points better than presumptive Mets starting third baseman J.D. Davis in 2020. Since his rookie season in 2015, Bryant has accumulated 28.3 fWAR, which trails only Josh Donaldson among major league third basemen over that span of time.

Yesterday’s trade for Francisco Lindor sent away two infielders from the Mets’ roster, which lost second baseman Robinson Cano to a suspension for the entire 2021 season. Right now, versatile infielder Jeff McNeil is likely to fill in at second base, which would likely leave the majority of innings at third base to J.D. Davis or Luis Guillorme.

Edited January 8, 2021 by 32EBoozer

[Lith]

11 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

What really is unbelievable is the fact that we could be looking at another 1968 through 1973 Knicks, Mets, Jets Rangers Simultaneous play off push! ?

Fixed.

[Lith]

26 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Just heard on ESPN that Mets/Cubs in talks about a trade for Kris Bryant! Wow

According to Mike Puma, the Mets and Cubshave discussed a potential trade for star third baseman Kris Bryant. Puma notes that the Cubs “really like” Mets catching prospect Francisco Álvarez.

 

The 2016 National League MVP had the worst season of his career in 2020, hitting for a 76 wRC+ in just 34 games. He did demonstrate competency in the field, however, netting a 3.9 UZR/150, his best since his MVP season and a full four points better than presumptive Mets starting third baseman J.D. Davis in 2020. Since his rookie season in 2015, Bryant has accumulated 28.3 fWAR, which trails only Josh Donaldson among major league third basemen over that span of time.

Yesterday’s trade for Francisco Lindor sent away two infielders from the Mets’ roster, which lost second baseman Robinson Cano to a suspension for the entire 2021 season. Right now, versatile infielder Jeff McNeil is likely to fill in at second base, which would likely leave the majority of innings at third base to J.D. Davis or Luis Guillorme.

Nice to have an owner with money and willing to spend it.  Imagine and infield of Alonzo, McNeil, Lindor and Bryant.

[32EBoozer]

39 minutes ago, Lith said:

Fixed.

You Rascal!

[Wonderboy]

3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Luxury threshold is 210M for 2021.

But they still have salary arbitration, and you can be sure they want to develop extensions for Conforto and Lindor. Do they have room to make moves? Yes. But not huge ones. 

Also, remember, Cano's salary comes back on the books in 2022 and 2023.

they are discussing a trade for Rockies 3rd baseman where Rockies take Cano's contract WOW Kind of an even swap to a certain degree - But Cohen can also go OVER the luxury tax very much like Skanks did when George ran them

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Just heard on ESPN that Mets/Cubs in talks about a trade for Kris Bryant! Wow

According to Mike Puma, the Mets and Cubshave discussed a potential trade for star third baseman Kris Bryant. Puma notes that the Cubs “really like” Mets catching prospect Francisco Álvarez.

 

The 2016 National League MVP had the worst season of his career in 2020, hitting for a 76 wRC+ in just 34 games. He did demonstrate competency in the field, however, netting a 3.9 UZR/150, his best since his MVP season and a full four points better than presumptive Mets starting third baseman J.D. Davis in 2020. Since his rookie season in 2015, Bryant has accumulated 28.3 fWAR, which trails only Josh Donaldson among major league third basemen over that span of time.

Yesterday’s trade for Francisco Lindor sent away two infielders from the Mets’ roster, which lost second baseman Robinson Cano to a suspension for the entire 2021 season. Right now, versatile infielder Jeff McNeil is likely to fill in at second base, which would likely leave the majority of innings at third base to J.D. Davis or Luis Guillorme.

No way do we give up Alvarez for Bryant.

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Just heard on ESPN that Mets/Cubs in talks about a trade for Kris Bryant! Wow

According to Mike Puma, the Mets and Cubshave discussed a potential trade for star third baseman Kris Bryant. Puma notes that the Cubs “really like” Mets catching prospect Francisco Álvarez.

 

The 2016 National League MVP had the worst season of his career in 2020, hitting for a 76 wRC+ in just 34 games. He did demonstrate competency in the field, however, netting a 3.9 UZR/150, his best since his MVP season and a full four points better than presumptive Mets starting third baseman J.D. Davis in 2020. Since his rookie season in 2015, Bryant has accumulated 28.3 fWAR, which trails only Josh Donaldson among major league third basemen over that span of time.

Yesterday’s trade for Francisco Lindor sent away two infielders from the Mets’ roster, which lost second baseman Robinson Cano to a suspension for the entire 2021 season. Right now, versatile infielder Jeff McNeil is likely to fill in at second base, which would likely leave the majority of innings at third base to J.D. Davis or Luis Guillorme.

WOW is right. Bryant for all intents and purposes, didn't even play last year so those numbers can be taken with a grain of salt.  HE's young, a stellar defensive 3rd baseman and former MVP.  Would be another amazing acquisition for the Amazins.

[Wonderboy]

7 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

No way do we give up Alvarez for Bryant.

HMMMM you seem to know more about Alvarez.  I hear he is coveted by Mets to take over as their catcher of the future in a couple of years. But please elaborate of why you feel Mets would balk on this particular trade.

[Wonderboy]

11 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

So, as we stand here today, the line-up is:

1. Lindor SS

2. McNeil 2B

3. Alonso 1B

4. Conforto RF

5. Smith LF

6. Davis 3B

7. McCann C

8. Nimmo CF

Staff

1. deGrom

2. Strohman

3. Carrasco

4. Peterson

5. Matz 

(Syndergaard, June)

Current comments/concerns:

CF defense- They probably are still going to sign Bradley JR or Springer and improve that spot defensively

DH- With the above scenario, Nimmo slides into the DH role, if there is one, and in AL parks. Nimmo also replaces Smith in late inning defense.

-Infield back up- Guillorme now is the super-utility guy. They need another type of guy like that on the bench.

-Ugghh-When Cano comes back it throws the entire salary budget out of whack. Wonder if Cohen just tries to buy him out?

-Age of the rotation and the number of SP free agents after this season- Mets need to start developing those young pitchers quickly. Slight blow to the farm system losing Wolf.

-Contract extensions for Conforto and Syndergaard (? Tricky, not knowing how he comes back)

 

Smith is not going to be starting LF. No way.  Smith is a huge trade chip Sandy has in his pocket. There is just no position for him. It makes zero sense to keep him here. His trade value should be high. He has really turned into an offensive force and could bring back some needed prospects to rebuild the farm system. He is not beating out Alonso at 1st and there will be no DH in NL.  Cohen will not bring back Cano. They will try and trade and swap him for another player.  Matz will got to pen.  He's not starting.  Springer or Bradley sound like nice moves.  We have more than enough offense and need to improve the defense.  Nimmo in left. Period.  He's a catalyst and needs to play every day.  McNeil is decent at 2nd and needs to stay put as it only helps his mindset.  And I'm ok with JD at 3rd. He showed some skills last year and will only get better.  Who knows what else Sandy has up his sleeve? One can only be excited. ?‍♀️

[Scott Dierking]

34 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

HMMMM you seem to know more about Alvarez.  I hear he is coveted by Mets to take over as their catcher of the future in a couple of years. But please elaborate of why you feel Mets would balk on this particular trade.

Alvarez is considered one of the two top prospects in the system right now. A bat that will develop and a gun for an arm, and receiving skills coming along. Bryant would be a one year rental. Mets don't need that contract with all the others they have coming up. Just makes no sense. 

[Scott Dierking]

1. Francisco Alvarez, C

Francisco Alvarez is by far the prospect I am most excited about. Alvarez is the best catching prospect the Mets have had in a while and the 18-year-old is on the fast track to Queens.

Alvarez has a plus hit tool already at 18 years old and he also has good power. The Mets have been aggressive with him as they have been with their other top prospects sending him straight to the Gulf Coast League and he could not have responded better hitting to the tune of a 1.395 OPS in his first seven games.

Defensively, Alvarez has good defensive skills and his arm allows him to control the running game well. Additionally, he has been improving his pop times and defensive game in general most recently as late this Summer when he was at the Alternate site in Brooklyn.

So much can be said about Francisco Alvarez and he is so fun to watch.

The Mets may have finally found their catcher of the future and possibly a cornerstone of the Mets franchise at some point down the road.

ETA: 2023

[Wonderboy]

11 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Alvarez is considered one of the two top prospects in the system right now. A bat that will develop and a gun for an arm, and receiving skills coming along. Bryant would be a one year rental. Mets don't need that contract with all the others they have coming up. Just makes no sense. 

Then Eff that!

[section314]

10 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Alvarez is considered one of the two top prospects in the system right now. A bat that will develop and a gun for an arm, and receiving skills coming along. Bryant would be a one year rental. Mets don't need that contract with all the others they have coming up. Just makes no sense. 

Simpler than that....Bryant is done.

[32EBoozer]

44 minutes ago, section314 said:

Simpler than that....Bryant is done.

I’d say it’s more that his career is winding down. Still good defensively, in the clubhouse and a good stick. If Cubs would take JD and Guillorme and a 15-20 prospect I’m good with that. Our infield is set. We have some talent at 3rd moving through the system. It weakens our bench however

I don’t trade Dom for 1 yr. of Bryant. 

[Anthony Jet]

How do you guys feel about the pen?

[section314]

2 hours ago, Anthony Jet said:

How do you guys feel about the pen?

Are you talking the Mets bullpen or where Marvin Lewis may look for players if he gets the Jets job??