NY Jets Sign Dalvin Cook

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Greenseed4 said:

Do one for Expected rushing yards, Expected TDs, and Expected ball security. 

You'll see that when you use futuristic made-up stats he's actually not good at all. 

Oh you mean some basic stuff scouts and GMs look at when making decisions huh?

RBs are getting faded left and right while the best Dalvin could get on the open market, apparently, was a 1-year deal worth under $9M and you guys are still ripping on analytics dweebs.  

He’s not toast but he’s getting toasty and the market clearly agreed.  Otherwise he’d either 1) Still be a Viking or 2) would have gotten a semi-lucrative multi year deal from one of the 32 teams out there.  

[Ghost420]

Ppl really upset we have Dalvin Cook as our rb2? This fan base is insufferable.

[jgb]

11 minutes ago, Ghost420 said:

This fan base is insufferable.

Gee, I wonder why. AFC Team records for the last 10 years

[Ghost420]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Gee, I wonder why. NFL record for every team last 10 years:

We could have signed barry sanders in his prime and some around here would complain. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Ghost420 said:

We could have signed barry sanders in his prime and some around here would complain. 

What is more insufferable, I wonder. Fans who complain about the team or fans who complain about fans who complain about the team.

[Pac]

21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh you mean some basic stuff scouts and GMs look at when making decisions huh?

RBs are getting faded left and right while the best Dalvin could get on the open market, apparently, was a 1-year deal worth under $9M and you guys are still ripping on analytics dweebs.  

He’s not toast but he’s getting toasty and the market clearly agreed.  Otherwise he’d either 1) Still be a Viking or 2) would have gotten a semi-lucrative multi year deal from one of the 32 teams out there.  

Good God take the L and go take a nap before Hard Knocks. 

You've become Joe Willy Junior. 

[jgb]

25 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh you mean some basic stuff scouts and GMs look at when making decisions huh?

RBs are getting faded left and right while the best Dalvin could get on the open market, apparently, was a 1-year deal worth under $9M and you guys are still ripping on analytics dweebs.  

He’s not toast but he’s getting toasty and the market clearly agreed.  Otherwise he’d either 1) Still be a Viking or 2) would have gotten a semi-lucrative multi year deal from one of the 32 teams out there.  

[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, Pac said:

Good God take the L and go take a nap before Hard Knocks. 

You've become Joe Willy Junior. 

Not one thing I’ve said has been false, sir.  

[Greenseed4]

47 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh you mean some basic stuff scouts and GMs look at when making decisions huh?

RBs are getting faded left and right while the best Dalvin could get on the open market, apparently, was a 1-year deal worth under $9M and you guys are still ripping on analytics dweebs.  

He’s not toast but he’s getting toasty and the market clearly agreed.  Otherwise he’d either 1) Still be a Viking or 2) would have gotten a semi-lucrative multi year deal from one of the 32 teams out there.  

It’s to the point where I wont be able to tell if he’s good or not.  

He’ll run for 12-yards, but because he was expected to get 14…

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

It’s to the point where I wont be able to tell if he’s good or not.  

He’ll run for 12-yards, but because he was expected to get 14…

It’ll be easy to tell when he dances in the backfield for a loss.  He did that a lot in Minnesota last season.  And their OL was not bad.  

[Pac]

34 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not one thing I’ve said has been false, sir.  

You should have shot JD a DM in between your pronhub sessions to let him know signing Cook would be a mistake. 

[JetsRay]

1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

Ppl really upset we have Dalvin Cook as our rb2? This fan base is insufferable.

We paid too much, Fire Douglas!!!!  🙄

[Ghost420]

57 minutes ago, jgb said:

What is more insufferable, I wonder. Fans who complain about the team or fans who complain about fans who complain about the team.

Probably you.

[jetblue95]

For any Phish fans out there.  Had no idea he was a Jets fan

[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, Pac said:

You should have shot JD a DM in between your pronhub sessions to let him know signing Cook would be a mistake. 

I did 

[Jet Nut]

13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

^^^ Most likely, yes.  Dalvin is worthless as a pass-catcher so we need a 3rd down back.  Bam cedes all early down work to Dalvin and no one is likely stealing Bam away from us, I imagine.

He had 300 receiving yards a year ago.  Not what he was but not really worthless

[Jet Nut]

46 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It’ll be easy to tell when he dances in the backfield for a loss.  He did that a lot in Minnesota last season.  And their OL was not bad.  

 

[Jet Nut]

10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

And the track record of RBs the year following his injury is so poor no one should want Breece to be active on Week 1.  I'd be perfectly happy not seeing him until Week 6-8. 

Let him take his time getting used to trusting his knees again and be healthy for the stretch run when we'll need him most.

If the knee is stable, he’s playing.  

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

RBs are getting faded left and right while the best Dalvin could get on the open market, apparently, was a 1-year deal worth under $9M and you guys are still ripping on analytics dweebs.

Top backs only get $10-$12M.  Cook getting 8M for a year is fair, not telling 

[Barry McCockinner]

1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

We could have signed barry sanders in his prime and some around here would complain. 

He probably would have retired even earlier if the Jets traded for him.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

We could have signed barry sanders in his prime and some around here would complain. 

Sure because non-tanking teams like the Vikings cut an elite RB still supposedly in his prime for no reason.

[Jet Nut]

13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

He probably would have retired even earlier if the Jets traded for him.

Highly doubtful.  1998 was a great year 

[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sure because non-tanking teams like the Vikings cut an elite RB still supposedly in his prime for no reason.

Salary cap issues isn’t for no reason 

Guess we should have traded for Rodgers using this logic

And find one of the many posts claiming Cook is elite and in his prime.  Please share, I need a laugh.  

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

Probably you.

I feel aggrieved and insuffered

[Embrace the Suck]

22 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sure because non-tanking teams like the Vikings cut an elite RB still supposedly in his prime for no reason.

His potential character issues aside he was cut because he would've cost 14 million against the cap for a team with cap issues that relies more on passing. His numbers don't support your idea that he is useless in the passing game, and burnt toast otherwise. Maybe he's slowing down, but that's relative. He still produced more than most at his position last year.

"The move comes as the Vikings have had to make multiple cuts because of the salary cap."

"The reason for Cook’s departure is two-fold. The Vikings will create $9 million in cap space as a result of the move. Cook was going into the fourth year of a five-year, $63 million contract. The team has been in a brutal cap position since the start of last season, and axing Cook will help in this area."

"Cook was scheduled to count more than $14.1 million against Minnesota's salary cap, which would have been the third-highest figure for a running back in the league behind Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb."

"They are heavily invested in their passing attack, too, with quarterback Kirk Cousins and an extension looming for wide receiver Justin Jefferson. The modern game has simply left the workhorse running back behind with more teams getting by on younger and cheaper timeshares in the backfield."

"Three of Cook's eight career gains of 50-plus yards from scrimmage came in 2022, showing his explosiveness still exists, but he averaged a career-low 4.4 yards per rush as the Vikings struggled with their efficiency and consistency on the ground."

"Cook ranked sixth in the NFL in 2022 with 1,173 rushing yards, highlighted by his career-long 81-yard touchdown run at Buffalo, which also was the second-longest run in the NFL last season and sparked the Vikings comeback from a 27-10 deficit."

"Perhaps even more memorable was his 64-yard catch-and-run touchdown on a screen against the Colts. The one-play scoring drive and a subsequent 2-point conversion pass tied the game at 36 with 2:15 remaining as the Vikings overcame a 33-0 halftime disparity for the largest comeback in NFL history."

"Cook finished his sixth NFL season with eight rushing touchdowns and added 39 catches for 295 yards and two touchdowns, winding up with his fourth consecutive trip to the Pro Bowl."

"The last four seasons has seen Cook gain a minimum of 1,135 rushing yards, with his best coming in 2020 when he rushed for 1,557 yards and 16 touchdowns with an average of 5.0 yards per carry."

"Cook has always demonstrated an ability to catch passes out of the backfield, and he caught a career-best 53 passes for 519 yards in 2019."

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Embrace the Suck said:

His potential character issues aside he was cut because he would've cost 14 million against the cap for a team with cap issues that relies more on passing. His number don't support your idea that he is useless in the passing game, and burnt toast otherwise. Maybe he's slowing down, but that's relative. He still produced more than most at his position last year.

"The move comes as the Vikings have had to make multiple cuts because of the salary cap."

"The reason for Cook’s departure is two-fold. The Vikings will create $9 million in cap space as a result of the move. Cook was going into the fourth year of a five-year, $63 million contract. The team has been in a brutal cap position since the start of last season, and axing Cook will help in this area."

"Cook was scheduled to count more than $14.1 million against Minnesota's salary cap, which would have been the third-highest figure for a running back in the league behind Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb."

"They are heavily invested in their passing attack, too, with quarterback Kirk Cousins and an extension looming for wide receiver Justin Jefferson. The modern game has simply left the workhorse running back behind with more teams getting by on younger and cheaper timeshares in the backfield."

"Three of Cook's eight career gains of 50-plus yards from scrimmage came in 2022, showing his explosiveness still exists, but he averaged a career-low 4.4 yards per rush as the Vikings struggled with their efficiency and consistency on the ground."

"Cook ranked sixth in the NFL in 2022 with 1,173 rushing yards, highlighted by his career-long 81-yard touchdown run at Buffalo, which also was the second-longest run in the NFL last season and sparked the Vikings comeback from a 27-10 deficit."

"Perhaps even more memorable was his 64-yard catch-and-run touchdown on a screen against the Colts. The one-play scoring drive and a subsequent 2-point conversion pass tied the game at 36 with 2:15 remaining as the Vikings overcame a 33-0 halftime disparity for the largest comeback in NFL history."

"Cook finished his sixth NFL season with eight rushing touchdowns and added 39 catches for 295 yards and two touchdowns, winding up with his fourth consecutive trip to the Pro Bowl."

"The last four seasons has seen Cook gain a minimum of 1,135 rushing yards, with his best coming in 2020 when he rushed for 1,557 yards and 16 touchdowns with an average of 5.0 yards per carry."

"Cook has always demonstrated an ability to catch passes out of the backfield, and he caught a career-best 53 passes for 519 yards in 2019."

 

And in spite of all this….if the Vikings truly felt Cook was still a top 10 back he’d still be on the roster.  

[RutgersJetFan]

4 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

His potential character issues aside he was cut because he would've cost 14 million against the cap for a team with cap issues that relies more on passing. His number don't support your idea that he is useless in the passing game, and burnt toast otherwise. Maybe he's slowing down, but that's relative. He still produced more than most at his position.

 

Well color me sold

[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And in spite of all this….if the Vikings truly felt Cook was still a top 10 back he’d still be on the roster.  

Who’s saying he’s a top 10 pick?  

[Embrace the Suck]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And in spite of all this….if the Vikings truly felt Cook was still a top 10 back he’d still be on the roster.  

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they came to him with an offer to restructure he found unacceptable. Maybe he was sick of living in viking land. Maybe they figure that the mattison guy can replace him at a cheaper cost, and chose to move on knowing they have some big contracts to hand out soon. To be honest he doesn't need to be a top 10 back anyway. He potentially needs to carry the load initially, but will hopefully soon after only need to complement hall as part of a hard running duo that stays fresh. 

[Mogglez]

10 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

is it too late to wish you a happy b day? Happy B day!

Absolutely not, thank you very much!

7 hours ago, JetsRay said:

Happy Birthday pal!

Thank you good sir; hope all is well with you and your family my friend!!!

6 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

Happy Birthday, yesterday,  Moggs!

Thank you my guy; very grateful to have traveled around the sun 30 times!

[mrcoops]

3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Absolutely not, thank you very much!

Thank you good sir; hope all is well with you and your family my friend!!!

Thank you my guy; very grateful to have traveled around the sun 30 times!

30? Jeez, I have t-shirts older than that!

Belated Happy Birthday - hope it was a good one.

[Larz]

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1691792948315165027?s=46

[jetblue95]

wasn't sure if posted elsewhere.  seems the other backs have bought in to having cook on the team.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38196465/jets-activating-rb-breece-hall-adding-dalvin-cook

LORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Dalvin Cook is arriving soon and Breece Hall is practicing again after a long layoff, creating a first-class problem for the backfield-heavy New York Jets.

"There's only one football," offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett said Tuesday. "You always want everybody to want the ball at all times, and I think we have a lot of people that want the ball and deserve the ball."

Less than 24 hours after agreeing to terms with Cook, the Jets welcomed back Hall, who was activated from the physically unable to perform list. Their 2022 leading rusher, 10 months removed from ACL surgery, didn't do much in his first practice -- just light individual drills. The Jets are "very confident" he will be ready for Week 1, though, according to coach Robert Saleh.

The Jets' plan is to limit Hall's workload early in the season, leaning on Cook as the primary ball carrier, according to a source. They also have Michael Carter and Zonovan Knight, both experienced runners, and rookie Israel Abanikanda, a fifth-round pick from Pitt.

"The room that we have right now, it's nuts," Carter said. "You can't get this [many good players] on Madden." Hall, who rushed for 463 yards and a 5.8 average in seven games as a rookie, is regarded by the organization as the long-term feature back. But the size of Cook's contract -- a one-year deal for $7 million in base pay, a source said -- indicates he will have a significant role.

"We're adding another great guy to the room," Hall said. "It's going to be good for competition, and it's going to bring the best out of everybody.

"All of our reps might be lessened, and we're going to have to work [Cook] in. It's going to make us do the most we can with our reps. It's going to be fun. He's going to come in and he's going to challenge us, we're going to challenge ourselves and we're going to challenge him as well."

In the past, Hall and Carter had moments when they publicly pushed back against new running backs joining the team.

Carter recently admitted he didn't embrace the midseason acquisition of James Robinson, whom the team acquired in a trade when Hall was injured. Hall, in a since-deleted tweet, expressed disapproval in the offseason when the Jets were rumored to be interested in Ezekiel Elliott.

Both seemed fine with the Cook move. Carter said he wouldn't have agreed to speak with reporters if he were bothered by it. The interview, he said, is something he wouldn't have done last season.

"That's me being a grown-up now," he said.

For the sake of transparency, Saleh called each running back after Cook's deal was completed to explain the team's plan and define each player's role. Saleh said it was "very, very important to make sure everybody was on board." He said each player is "comfortable with their role." Carter said he was touched by Saleh's gesture.

Now the question is, when will Cook and Hall practice?

Cook, a four-time Pro Bowl selection with the Minnesota Vikings, remains home in South Florida, waiting to become a first-time father any day. He's also still recovering from shoulder surgery in February and won't be cleared to practice for at least another week, according to Saleh. It's possible neither Cook nor Hall will play in the preseason.

"As a defensive coach, I would just sit there and say, 'God, you've got Breece and Michael and [Cook], and you've got two of those other guys in the backfield,'" Saleh said. "There's a lot of different things you can do to create a bunch of headaches for defensive coaches."

Saleh said the organization thoroughly researched Cook's pending legal matter. In 2021, a former girlfriend filed a lawsuit against him, alleging physical and emotional abuse. He then filed a defamation suit against her. Both cases are pending. The Star-Tribune reported last month that he offered her $1 million to clear him of wrongdoing despite her previously sworn abuse allegations against him.

"I think we all came to the agreement that we were very comfortable with the person and his situation," Saleh said, declining to discuss specifics.

As for Hall, the Jets had been pointing to this week for his activation. Saleh said Hall "looks freaking good" but added that they will "take our time with him." Hall said he expects to be ready for Week 1, but he stopped short of saying it's a sure thing. He said it's up to the trainers and coaches.

Admitting he was "an emotional train wreck" during the toughest times of his rehab, Hall said his knee is sound, although he also said he still experiences occasional knee soreness and still wonders whether he can make certain cuts. He downplayed Tuesday's return.

"Just another extra step in the journey," he said.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, jetblue95 said:

 

Admitting he was "an emotional train wreck" during the toughest times of his rehab, Hall said his knee is sound, although he also said he still experiences occasional knee soreness and still wonders whether he can make certain cuts. He downplayed Tuesday's return.

But Wirfs is a big ol' p*ssy because he admitted struggling emotionally with the switch to LT.

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 8/16/2023 at 3:18 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

Sure because non-tanking teams like the Vikings cut an elite RB still supposedly in his prime for no reason.

They did it because they have other more important players to pay and Alexander Mattison is a more than capable replacement