Izzy - how could he be used?

[Maxman]

Yes he has been inactive every week. We know this offense needs a lift. So taking out of the mix, why he is inactive for a minute, let's talk about how he can be used.

He only caught 12 balls his senior year. So is he a 3rd down option?

Someone who watched him in college please chime in. What would he add to the offense? (Serious question, I know the offense is missing a lot).

[Jet_Engine1]

14 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Yes he has been inactive every week. We know this offense needs a lift. So taking out of the mix, why he is inactive for a minute, let's talk about how he can be used.

He only caught 12 balls his senior year. So is he a 3rd down option?

Someone who watched him in college please chime in. What would he add to the offense? (Serious question, I know the offense is missing a lot).

Leon Washington 2.0

[Barry McCockinner]

Anyone know how to get a hold of Tonya Harding? I have a package I need her to deliver to Dalvin Cook.

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

Yes he has been inactive every week. We know this offense needs a lift. So taking out of the mix, why he is inactive for a minute, let's talk about how he can be used.

He only caught 12 balls his senior year. So is he a 3rd down option?

Someone who watched him in college please chime in. What would he add to the offense? (Serious question, I know the offense is missing a lot).

I say give him the ball. 

[Hex]

Honestly if Izzy ends up sucking and giving 2.8 yards per carry or something, it's not like Cook was doing much better. At this point just play Izzy in his place.

[AFJF]

5 hours ago, Maxman said:

Yes he has been inactive every week. We know this offense needs a lift. So taking out of the mix, why he is inactive for a minute, let's talk about how he can be used.

He only caught 12 balls his senior year. So is he a 3rd down option?

Someone who watched him in college please chime in. What would he add to the offense? (Serious question, I know the offense is missing a lot).

It's just silly that they aren't using him at this point but Cook still sees the field.

He can catch the ball lout of the backfield just fine.  Didn't do much of it because Pitt didn't ask him to do it much.

I don't recall any drops in the pre-season and he earned high marks catching the ball at his pro day.  I saw a couple in college but also saw him look smooth doing it so figured it was an opportunity thing more than anything.

I thought he was fine as a blocker after watching him pre-draft but found some ugly attempts after the Jets took him so it's a spot where he may be capable but needs work.  This still shouldn't prevent them from giving him a handful of carries every week.

Michael Carter has had plenty of carries in the past without being asked to pass block.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bobby816]

Speed and space

[Kleckineau]

He is a bit light and too many NFL carries may get him KO'ed.

Speed merchant 3rd down specialist ala Bruce Harper.

Swings, draws, pass targets.

 

[AFJF]

26 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

He is a bit light and too many NFL carries may get him KO'ed.

Speed merchant 3rd down specialist ala Bruce Harper.

Swings, draws, pass targets.

 

He's 5 lbs lighter than Breece Hall.

[Same Old Jets]

Cook's contract and lack of tradability have possibly hindered Izzy's activation.   

[docdhc]

Rookie backs often struggle with protection and Zach is already under a lot of pressure. Maybe that’s why they won’t use him. 

[AFJF]

8 minutes ago, docdhc said:

Rookie backs often struggle with protection and Zach is already under a lot of pressure. Maybe that’s why they won’t use him. 

If they're worried about his ability to block, then don't use him to block.  Have him run it or use him on some short passes to let him make plays with the ball in his hands.  He doesn't have to get 20+ reps to have an impact.

Take a look at how often Michael Carter was used as a pass blocker over his first two seasons.

[Warfish]

As the #2 change-of-pace RB behind Hall would be a good starting point.

[Jethead]

FWIW, Jets (Saleh) did not hesitate to use Hall or Carter as rookies. If Izzy was flashing in practice we'd be seeing him on the field. 

[More Cowbell]

I think they like him but they would like him to put on some weight. Next year we probably have seen the last of MC and Izzy takes his spot. 

[AFJF]

20 minutes ago, Jethead said:

FWIW, Jets (Saleh) did not hesitate to use Hall or Carter as rookies. If Izzy was flashing in practice we'd be seeing him on the field. 

Teams don't generally bench guys making the money Cook is making.

[DireJet]

Literally anywhere. He has game-breaking speed. Get the ball in his hands in space. Jets need guys like him bc they don’t have the efficiency on offense to string together long methodic drives. It’s all about the big play strike. 

[derp]

Early down handoffs. Maybe some passing game stuff on early downs too. Get him in space. Don’t ask him to block. Take a little off Hall’s plate while keeping an explosive player on the field.

I’d rather Izzy gets a few early down touches and Hall stays on the field a few more touches on third down than Hall gets a few more early down touches and Carter/Cook get a few more touches on third down.

I think the problem is Cook needs to be inactive because Carter at least has utility value. They need to just not compound that mistake.

[JiFtheOracle]

I'd give him every one of Cook's snaps and see if he can do more.  What's the harm?  They lose a 2.8 ypc?

[T0mShane]

When the opposing defense sees a rookie in the backfield, they blitz every time and dare the rookie to pick it up. Zach Wilson cannot function against the blitz to begin with. Play Izzy—>Defense blitzes—>Zach melts down—>Lose. Hope this helps. 

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

When the opposing defense sees a rookie in the backfield, they blitz every time and dare the rookie to pick it up. Zach Wilson cannot function against the blitz to begin with. Play Izzy—>Defense blitzes—>Zach melts down—>Lose. Hope this helps. 

I dont’ think this factors into with with Wilson, who typically is terrible vs blitzes anyway.  And it’s not as if carter or cook are really chip blocking those blitzers anyway.  You have cook and carter who combined make a negligible impact in games, while you keep the speed inactive for an offense that celebrates wildly when they kick field goals.  

For the ENTIRE SEASON, carter has 8 carries for 38 yards and 9 receptions for 44 yards.  It’s not like carter is even a returner or backup wr.  Is he the emergency qb?  

And then you have cook who averages 2.8 yards per carry.  

While I’d love to believe these coaches understand their personnel, you’re talking about the same people who thought it was a good idea not deemphasize hall at the beginning of last season.   

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I dont’ think this factors into with with Wilson, who typically is terrible vs blitzes anyway.  And it’s not as if carter or cook are really chip blocking those blitzers anyway.  You have cook and carter who combined make a negligible impact in games, while you keep the speed inactive for an offense that celebrates wildly when they kick field goals.  

For the ENTIRE SEASON, carter has 8 carries for 38 yards and 9 receptions for 44 yards.  It’s not like carter is even a returner or backup wr.  Is he the emergency qb?  

And then you have cook who averages 2.8 yards per carry.  

While I’d love to believe these coaches understand their personnel, you’re talking about the same people who thought it was a good idea not deemphasize hall at the beginning of last season.   

Sure, but we’re talking about putting Izzy out there for ten(?) snaps maybe and the Jets will get zero blitzed on every one so it’s not as easy as just saying “Hey, let’s give Izzy ten carries and see if he breaks one.” He’s going to have to be out there on downs where he’s not getting the ball, and those are the ones where he’ll be hurting the already sh*tty offense. 

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Sure, but we’re talking about putting Izzy out there for ten(?) snaps maybe and the Jets will get zero blitzed on every one so it’s not as easy as just saying “Hey, let’s give Izzy ten carries and see if he breaks one.” He’s going to have to be out there on downs where he’s not getting the ball, and those are the ones where he’ll be hurting the already sh*tty offense. 

First, they can run Izzy so there’s no blitz.  Second, they can design plays so the ball gets to Izzy quickly (so he’s not the blocker).  Third, if the coaches can’t figure out how to use the speed, that says more about the coaches than about the rb.  For a team that can’t score, you’d think they’d try to use all their resources.

[AFJF]

23 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

When the opposing defense sees a rookie in the backfield, they blitz every time and dare the rookie to pick it up. Zach Wilson cannot function against the blitz to begin with. Play Izzy—>Defense blitzes—>Zach melts down—>Lose. Hope this helps. 

Good.  You hope they blitz, hit him on a swing/screen and let him do the rest.

[Barton]

"Obviously the Jets know something that the people up here dont."

[T0mShane]

26 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Good.  You hope they blitz, hit him on a swing/screen and let him do the rest.

I think if they wanted to integrate him into the backfield mix, this would be the path. Let him come on in two back sets or line up in the slot in the gadget role that they want Gipson to play, but in which Gipson keeps getting murdered in. But we see guys like this come into the league every year—the back with the amazing 40 time (but dubious instincts) who never do anything in the league. I thought Sean Tucker was a better prospect than Abanikanda and he’s been horrible in Tampa, for instance. 

[T0mShane]

30 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

First, they can run Izzy so there’s no blitz.  Second, they can design plays so the ball gets to Izzy quickly (so he’s not the blocker).  Third, if the coaches can’t figure out how to use the speed, that says more about the coaches than about the rb.  For a team that can’t score, you’d think they’d try to use all their resources.

If you brought Abinakanda in, they would absolutely blitz the run. Speed doesn’t make a running back good, as we’ve seen over and over again. 

[Augustiniak]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If you brought Abinakanda in, they would absolutely blitz the run. Speed doesn’t make a running back good, as we’ve seen over and over again. 

Then put him out wide.  He’s a home run hitter.  Wilson takes enough stupid sacks that I’d risk another to maybe get a big chunk yard play that is never happening with cook or carter.  Again, cook and carter absolutely suck, they never run carter unless someone is injured and cook’s 2.8 ypc is one contributing factor to no tds.  It’s’ puzzling to see why they can’t figure out how to put their best playmakers on the field.  Izzy really flashed in preseason and you can tell the guy can catch and run.  Plus we’ve seen carter whiff on some blocks so it’s not like you have tony Paige in there plowing people over when carter plays.  

[Joejet]

I watched most of the Pitt games last year and Izzy is more than a speed back. He has good instincts and while he is not a pounder inside he can run with success inside and bounce it out for an occasional long one. At this stage of their careers he can’t do any worse than Cook and would most likely do much better. Unfortunately with the money they are paying Cook they will continue to be stubborn and keep running him out there.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

Then put him out wide.  He’s a home run hitter.  Wilson takes enough stupid sacks that I’d risk another to maybe get a big chunk yard play that is never happening with cook or carter.  Again, cook and carter absolutely suck, they never run carter unless someone is injured and cook’s 2.8 ypc is one contributing factor to no tds.  It’s’ puzzling to see why they can’t figure out how to put their best playmakers on the field.  Izzy really flashed in preseason and you can tell the guy can catch and run.  Plus we’ve seen carter whiff on some blocks so it’s not like you have tony Paige in there plowing people over when carter plays.  

I think we’ll absolutely see Abanikanda, starting this week, but I’d be skeptical that he does much with the offense operating as currently comprised, and will possibly be a net negative when he gets out there if he’s gumming up the pass game. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I think we’ll absolutely see Abanikanda, starting this week, but I’d be skeptical that he does much with the offense operating as currently comprised, and will possibly be a net negative when he gets out there if he’s gumming up the pass game. 

Not sure why you think this week, unless the jets have been shopping cook and now that the deadline is past they figure why keep playing him when he sucks.  But i think there are yards to be had when they use an empty backfield and you can put Izzy on one side and breeze on the other with Garrett there too.  Throw Gipson in as well and you have real speed.  Keep throwing short outs, and mix in a long pass.  But using cook is a good way to punt 11 times. 

[Joejet]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

I think they like him but they would like him to put on some weight. Next year we probably have seen the last of MC and Izzy takes his spot. 

He is 5’11” 216 pounds, how big do you think they want Him? By comparison Michael Carter is 5’8” 201.

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Not sure why you think this week, unless the jets have been shopping cook and now that the deadline is past they figure why keep playing him when he sucks.  But i think there are yards to be had when they use an empty backfield and you can put Izzy on one side and breeze on the other with Garrett there too.  Throw Gipson in as well and you have real speed.  Keep throwing short outs, and mix in a long pass.  But using cook is a good way to punt 11 times. 

You want to go empty with Zach Wilson, a banged up OL, two backs split out and Gipson? I think that’d result in a bunch of funerals and not touchdowns. The Jets best offense is with three TEs on the field and Breece Hall running behind it. You’d rather have Ruckert getting that PT. If they want to go 13 personnel and give Izzy some carries behind that? Go for it. 
 

I think Abanikanda gets his chance this week because Cimini and Rosenblatt have both indicated that, post-deadline, they’re going to bury Cook and Lawson for younger players. Garrett Wilson also indicated that they’re revamping their third down packages because they’re the worst 3rd down offense in the last 45 years. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

You want to go empty with Zach Wilson, a banged up OL, two backs split out and Gipson? I think that’d result in a bunch of funerals and not touchdowns. The Jets best offense is with three TEs on the field and Breece Hall running behind it. You’d rather have Ruckert getting that PT. If they want to go 13 personnel and give Izzy some carries behind that? Go for it. 
 

I think Abanikanda gets his chance this week because Cimini and Rosenblatt have both indicated that, post-deadline, they’re going to bury Cook and Lawson for younger players. Garrett Wilson also indicated that they’re revamping their third down packages because they’re the worst 3rd down offense in the last 45 years. 

Part of the 3rd down failure is what they do and don’t do on first and second downs.  Part of it is using cook when he sucks.  And then there’s the OL and Wilson.  But they do go empty backfield enough that you may as well use the speed.  If Wilson can complete screens now, use Izzy in the screen game.  And please go deep every now and then.  

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Joejet said:

He is 5’11” 216 pounds, how big do you think they want Him? By comparison Michael Carter is 5’8” 201.

Just going by eyw. He looks small.