Woody, JD, Saleh, Jets: For once, PLEASE do the right thing…

[Sammybighead]

Happy New Year All!

In the .00000001% chance that someone from the Jets monitors our beloved forum, I have this new year’s message for the organization:

PLEASE LOSE NEXT WEEK

Just once, do the right thing when it’s in your control. You can guarantee yourself a franchise LT in the draft AND knock New England from a position to draft a franchise QB. Go to the players and let them know you want to use the last game to evaluate the bench. They’ll understand. You’ll also protect guys like breece and Garrett from getting hurt in an utterly meaningless game at the end of the season.

Please Jets, do the right thing.

Sincerely, all of Jet Nation (and yes, I’m gonna go ahead and speak for all of us)

[K_O_Brien]

 

[rangerous]

I don’t know if they need to try and lose.  The patsies looked like they were playing pretty hard yesterday and they usually play the jets tough.  Even if the jets were trying for a win it won’t be easy.

[section314]

Pats are a lock. There is no way BB will go out at home to the team and owner he despises the most.

[Rob Moore]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

Pats are a lock. There is no way BB will go out at home to the team and owner he despises the most.

My thoughts as well.  I fully expect the NFL to step in and guarantee a pats win, there’s no way the league will allow him to lose his last game as NE coach or coach in general at home against the Jets.  In no way will that be allowed.

[Anthony Jet]

Seems like we need a lot to happen to get to 5

[derp]

10 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

 

Late comeback win against Washington, late comeback win against the Giants, punt return TD against the Bills…

They're 4-4 in games with less than a 7 point differential and 2-6 in games with more. Wins against the Broncos by 10 and Texans by 24 - Texans game was bizarre. Lost to Browns by 17, Cowboys by 20, Chargers by 21, Dolphins by 21, Bills by 26, Dolphins by 30.

[Sammybighead]

1 minute ago, Anthony Jet said:

Seems like we need a lot to happen to get to 5

We don’t need 5. Just need to stay where we are.

That said, looking at the teams in front of us:

Giants vs Eagles: Eagles have not been the same team the past month and Giants look serviceable with tyrod back.

Chargers vs San Fran: Niners locked up the #1 seed, they will be resting players. Is that enough to allow a putrid chargers team a win?

Titans vs Jacksonville: Titans could knock a Trevor-less Jags from the playoffs, is that enough motivation for an improbable upset?

[Anthony Jet]

1 minute ago, Sammybighead said:

We don’t need 5. Just need to stay where we are.

That said, looking at the teams in front of us:

Giants vs Eagles: Eagles have not been the same team the past month and Giants look serviceable with tyrod back.

Chargers vs San Fran: Niners locked up the #1 seed, they will be resting players. Is that enough to allow a putrid chargers team a win?

Titans vs Jacksonville: Titans could knock a Trevor-less Jags from the playoffs, is that enough motivation for an improbable upset?

Giants had every chance to beat the rams. And just couldn’t close it out  I’d be completely shocked if the beat the eagles  even during there slide 

Can’t see San Fran going into playoffs with a loss 

good point titans 

 

[slimjasi]

35 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

 

I pointed this out yesterday.
 

That Washington win was so important for our culture, though! We’d only be 16-34 instead of 17-33 under Joe D and Bobby S -  can you imagine how damaging that would have been to our young players?!?!?! I can’t even think about it 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Losing for better picks has worked for the past 53 years, so it follows that it will work this year too. Right?

Whether we pick 9th, 12th, 17th, 31st, or not at all in the first round, there is talent to be found. As much as people might not want to believe it, JD can make the right pick and much as he can whiff. The same as most GMs in the league. Michael Carter II was drafted in the fifth round. 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Losing for better picks has worked for the past 53 years, so it follows that it will work this year too. Right?

Whether we pick 9th, 12th, 17th, 31st, or not at all in the first round, there is talent to be found. As much as people might not want to believe it, JD can make the right pick and much as he can whiff. The same as most GMs in the league. Michael Carter II was drafted in the fifth round. 

But you don't get it we have NOT lost for better picks.

The Jets ALWAYS win late season meaningless games to kill us at the draft, always and those late wins never carry over to the next year.

Vernon Gholston instead of Matt Ryan

Quinnen Williams  instead of Nick Bosa

Zach Wilson instead of Trevor Lawrence

All because we won late season meaningless games.

And this year?  We will likely miss out on Marvin Harrison junior or have some team offer us a massive bounty to trade down if we have one of the top QBs in front of us.  Instead we will be picking a lone OT that may or may not work out. 

 

 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

But you don't get it we have NOT lost for better picks.

The Jets ALWAYS win late season meaningless games to kill us at the draft, always and those late wins never carry over to the next year.

Vernon Gholston instead of Matt Ryan

Quinnen Williams  instead of Nick Bosa

Zach Wilson instead of Trevor Lawrence

All because we won late season meaningless games.

And this year?  We will likely miss out on Marvin Harrison junior or have some team offer us a massive bounty to trade down if we have one of the top QBs in front of us.  Instead we will be picking a lone OT that may or may not work out. 

 

 

The pick the Jets made was the issue, not who they missed out on. 

It's time to put the Trevor Lawrence thing to bed. He is a decent to good QB, but he is not the GENERATIONAL TALENT that only comes around once per generation and is talented. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

20 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

But you don't get it we have NOT lost for better picks.

The Jets ALWAYS win late season meaningless games to kill us at the draft, always and those late wins never carry over to the next year.

Vernon Gholston instead of Matt Ryan

Quinnen Williams  instead of Nick Bosa

Zach Wilson instead of Trevor Lawrence

All because we won late season meaningless games.

And this year?  We will likely miss out on Marvin Harrison junior or have some team offer us a massive bounty to trade down if we have one of the top QBs in front of us.  Instead we will be picking a lone OT that may or may not work out. 

 

 

Bears are drafting MHJ at 1st overall then taking a qb with their other top pick.

 

Win or lose we are drafting either Fashanu or Alt

[Rich Thornburgh]

15 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

The pick the Jets made was the issue, not who they missed out on. 

It's time to put the Trevor Lawrence thing to bed. He is a decent to good QB, but he is not the GENERATIONAL TALENT that only comes around once per generation and is talented. 

Trevor is a good to sometimes very good qb but the best players in that draft were Chase, Parsons and Sewell

[oatmeal]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Trevor is a good to sometimes very good qb but the best players in that draft were Chase, Parsons and Sewell

 

 

He leads in league in turnovers since entering the league

FYI

[Rich Thornburgh]

5 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

 

 

He leads in league in turnovers since entering the league

FYI

Jags were 1-15 just a couple years ago Trevor got them to the playoffs last year and is about to do it again this year

[Anthony Jet]

13 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Trevor is a good to sometimes very good qb but the best players in that draft were Chase, Parsons and Sewell

So your telling me, even though they won a meaningless game, there was 3 game changing players available at there pick and they still got it wrong?

[Jet_Engine1]

2 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Losing for better picks has worked for the past 53 years, so it follows that it will work this year too. Right?

Whether we pick 9th, 12th, 17th, 31st, or not at all in the first round, there is talent to be found. As much as people might not want to believe it, JD can make the right pick and much as he can whiff. The same as most GMs in the league. Michael Carter II was drafted in the fifth round. 

PLease remind me of that time the Jets understood reality and lost a game or two at the end of their season to guarantee a top 4 pick, Hell, the year we needed to get the #1, they even ****ed that up. Theres a difference between just losing games, and a strategic loss or two for a specific reason.

 

The Jets have NEVER done that, so we wind up with irregular goods like Zach. This year, by that monumental, culture setting win vs Washingto which is already a total afterthought, we lose out on Alt, MHJ, and probably 2 other guys that woill be head and shoulders over the consolation prize the Jets get a 6 or something...

[Jet_Engine1]

11 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

 

 

He leads in league in turnovers since entering the league

FYI

Sir, this is a New York Jets board. I suggest you research our history at the QB position before throwing stones at competent players in other organizations.

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 minute ago, Anthony Jet said:

So your telling me, even though they won a meaningless game, there was 3 game changing players available at there pick and they still got it wrong?

After we accidentally won the Rams game we should have changed the focus on building a decent roster first instead of trying to get a unicorn Quarterback 

[Anthony Jet]

Just now, Rich Thornburgh said:

After we accidentally won the Rams game we should have changed the focus on building a decent roster first instead of trying to get a unicorn Quarterback 

Seems like an indictment on the FO and not the meaningless win 

[Rich Thornburgh]

4 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

PLease remind me of that time the Jets understood reality and lost a game or two at the end of their season to guarantee a top 4 pick, Hell, the year we needed to get the #1, they even ****ed that up. Theres a difference between just losing games, and a strategic loss or two for a specific reason.

 

The Jets have NEVER done that, so we wind up with irregular goods like Zach. This year, by that monumental, culture setting win vs Washingto which is already a total afterthought, we lose out on Alt, MHJ, and probably 2 other guys that woill be head and shoulders over the consolation prize the Jets get a 6 or something...

Fashanu will be available when we pick at 8 if Alt isn’t there.

[Rich Thornburgh]

2 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

Seems like an indictment on the FO and not the meaningless win 

It’s just a lousy mindset.  They were sure for 14 week’s or whatever they were getting Trevor.  Once that ship sailed Woody and JD were still hung up on getting a qb they forgot that the roster was totall asscrack

[PepPep]

19 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Bears are drafting MHJ at 1st overall then taking a qb with their other top pick.

 

Win or lose we are drafting either Fashanu or Alt

Give me a scenario where we select 12th (assuming we beat the Pats) and we take Fashanu or Alt...

Jets need to lose this game and hope they get some help. If it stays the way it is now, both Fashanu and Alt will probably go in the top 5. It will be MHJ, the top 2 QBs and the top 2 OTs.  

[dcJet]

3 hours ago, derp said:

Late comeback win against Washington, late comeback win against the Giants, punt return TD against the Bills…

They're 4-4 in games with less than a 7 point differential and 2-6 in games with more. Wins against the Broncos by 10 and Texans by 24 - Texans game was bizarre. Lost to Browns by 17, Cowboys by 20, Chargers by 21, Dolphins by 21, Bills by 26, Dolphins by 30.

Yeah, usually you are what your record says you are... but this team is worse than 6-11.

[Ron Rico]

How come Zach always gets December off? "Go to the beach, read a book". 

WTF

[TuscanyTile2]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

Pats are a lock. There is no way BB will go out at home to the team and owner he despises the most.

Either narrative will work perfectly.  Either "BB would never allow himself to lose this game to the Jets" or "of course the Jets would win this game and screw up their draft position, while simultaneously helping out the Pats.  This will be like Mo Lewis/Drew Bledsoe part II".

If the game ends in a tie though...

[faba]

I am more concerned that we pick the right guy and do not do another first round pick disaster.

[dcJet]

1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

The pick the Jets made was the issue, not who they missed out on. 

This exactly.  JD is not good at drafting and not good at FA and not good at team building and not good at coach hiring.

Our offense has the worst depth in the league.  

 

[dcJet]

There is precedent for tanking the last game to "take a look at our young guys".

Philly did it in Pederson's last year, Bucs did it for Winston and there are other examples.

The players and coaches want to win so it's up to JD and Woody to order Saleh to start our younguns so we can plan for the future.  

 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

PLease remind me of that time the Jets understood reality and lost a game or two at the end of their season to guarantee a top 4 pick, Hell, the year we needed to get the #1, they even ****ed that up. Theres a difference between just losing games, and a strategic loss or two for a specific reason.

 

The Jets have NEVER done that, so we wind up with irregular goods like Zach. This year, by that monumental, culture setting win vs Washingto which is already a total afterthought, we lose out on Alt, MHJ, and probably 2 other guys that woill be head and shoulders over the consolation prize the Jets get a 6 or something...

Now you understand. Teams do not lose on purpose, no matter what fans think. 

[Ron Rico]

14 minutes ago, faba said:

I am more concerned that we pick the right guy and do not do another first round pick disaster.

Win or lose, Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State, should still be on the board when Dogass gets to pick.

[Jet_Engine1]

25 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Now you understand. Teams do not lose on purpose, no matter what fans think. 

There are plenty of overt examples of teams doing exactly that. The Colts, Jaguars, and on and on. Its a thing, regardless of what the NFL PR and talking heads say. Teams have done it to us, sitting starters and fielding the JV team and Jets fans celebrate the wins like it means something. 

[oatmeal]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Jags were 1-15 just a couple years ago Trevor got them to the playoffs last year and is about to do it again this year

Wrong again 

Doug Peterson the SB winning HC who is a super underrated play caller who has that stooge looking competent.

Trevor hasn’t done ish in this league and he gets the gory for the jags success?

What about the generational first year failure? That’s not on Trevor it’s all Urban Meyer??????