If Zach Wilson was forced on JD/Saleh by Woody, why would they WANT Contract Extensions Here?

[Jetsplayer21]

5 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

Also. There is SO many things wrong with this statement. Geesh. 

It was the smartest thing woody ever said probably lol. But dam man, can you wait until we try to trade the guy ? Lol.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Because contract extensions mean more of this?

[Rich Thornburgh]

13 hours ago, Warfish said:

So the theory amongst several folks is that Woody is secretly a Dan Snyder, a Owner-as-GM making all (or most, or many) of the main personnel decisions, specifically at QB, with Wilson, and then Rodgers (and Favre and Tebow in the past).

If that is true, and JD and Saleh have suffered because of it, why would either of them want a contract extension here?

Would not any self respecting GM, with two rookie of the year's under his belt, not want out (like his underlings this offseason) to get to a new team and new Owner who isn't a Woody/Snyder type?

Why would Saleh, who's vaunted top 10 Defense has suffered because of utterly inept offense specifically because of the supposed Woody-mandated decisions, want a chance to finish his contract then become a Coaching Free Agent, free to go coach elsewhere, with better Owners, and maybe a decent QB?

Would any of you want to keep working for Woody, if he forced you to take and play Zach Wilson for three seasons?

Food for thought.

Why? Because Saleh and JD would never be able to get head coach and GM jobs anywhere else ever again.

 

Rex had no issue getting a HC job after getting fired by Woody because he was a good coach here.  Mangini and Herm had no issue because there was at least a perception they were good here. Meanwhile Adam Gase couldn’t get a job selling hot dogs for another franchise 

[Rich Thornburgh]

13 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

They'd want to stay because Woody's money is still green. No organization in professional sports is more comfortable meddling in mediocrity than the NY Jets. It is engrained in the culture. 

Winning is an accident thats sometimes happens. Losing is a way of life. Mediocrity is the warm blanket that puts Woody to sleep every night.

Get paid millions of dollars to watch Zach stink and Aaron walk around on crutches. No expectation of having any success on any level on the football field.

 

not a bad gig

[rangerous]

18 hours ago, GangGreened said:

Because he wasn’t forced. Douglas wanted to draft Zach Wilson

And milfy and hogan.

[Scott Dierking]

Are we really asking why people like money and the things it enables them to do?

[doitny]

19 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Couldn't the same have been argued last offseason when Woody basically said the team was a QB1 away?  Now he's saying ZW wasn't worthy of being a QB2.

true, but now that Zach cant be #2 what can he be? QB3 is a PS player. so this is worst cause now Woody is saying that Zach doesnt deserve to be on a NFL team. 

[JetsFlyer]

to answer the OP, because theyre "yes" men.. woody only hires that type

[TuscanyTile2]

32 minutes ago, doitny said:

true, but now that Zach cant be #2 what can he be? QB3 is a PS player. so this is worst cause now Woody is saying that Zach doesnt deserve to be on a NFL team. 

Right, that's basically what Woody is saying.  I'm sure that'll help his negotiating position!  lol

[doitny]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Right, that's basically what Woody is saying.  I'm sure that'll help his negotiating position!  lol

oh yeah, Woody just shot any chance to get anything for Zach, which honestly i didnt think he was getting anything anyway when you consider the new team has to take his salary of 5.4 mil. 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, doitny said:

oh yeah, Woody just shot any chance to get anything for Zach, which honestly i didnt think he was getting anything anyway when you consider the new team has to take his salary of 5.4 mil. 

If Zach ends up having to come back, could you imagine if next offseason Woody blames it all on us not having a QB3?  Lol!

[Jetsplayer21]

30 minutes ago, doitny said:

oh yeah, Woody just shot any chance to get anything for Zach, which honestly i didnt think he was getting anything anyway when you consider the new team has to take his salary of 5.4 mil. 

I’m going to go out on a limb and say NOT 1 person in the NFL world vests any attention in what woody Johnson has to say about football.. Maybe other subjects, not football lol.

[chirorob]

Saleh may be able to go back to being a DC.  He'll have to sell that nice house, take about an 80% pay cut.  Maybe he gets 1 more chance to coach in a few years.

GMs who fail?  They never get a 2nd shot.

[Jet2020]

On 2/8/2024 at 1:23 PM, Warfish said:

So the theory amongst several folks is that Woody is secretly a Dan Snyder, a Owner-as-GM making all (or most, or many) of the main personnel decisions, specifically at QB, with Wilson, and then Rodgers (and Favre and Tebow in the past).

If that is true, and JD and Saleh have suffered because of it, why would either of them want a contract extension here?

Would not any self respecting GM, with two rookie of the year's under his belt, not want out (like his underlings this offseason) to get to a new team and new Owner who isn't a Woody/Snyder type?

Why would Saleh, who's vaunted top 10 Defense has suffered because of utterly inept offense specifically because of the supposed Woody-mandated decisions, want a chance to finish his contract then become a Coaching Free Agent, free to go coach elsewhere, with better Owners, and maybe a decent QB?

Would any of you want to keep working for Woody, if he forced you to take and play Zach Wilson for three seasons?

Food for thought.

Sure. He signs the checks, doesn’t he? Or are they getting bounced? 

Also who forced no backup QB? Was that Woody as well? JD would’ve hinted about Wilson if it was just Woody going all in. 

Stupid Jets mistake: Nit drafting 2 QB each year until you hit on one. Purdy could’ve very easily been a Jet had we used that approach. 1 day 2 QB and 1 Day 3 QB. You can have all pros around him but without a game manager type QB at least, you’ve got no shot at a playoff. 

[talonmm]

On 2/8/2024 at 3:13 PM, Jack Straw said:

They'd want to stay because Woody's money is still green. No organization in professional sports is more comfortable meddling in mediocrity than the NY Jets. It is engrained in the culture. 

Winning is an accident thats sometimes happens. Losing is a way of life. Mediocrity is the warm blanket that puts Woody to sleep every night.

It's been a very long time since we've even been mediocre.  What a low-bar this team has set. 

[JohnnyLV]

On 2/8/2024 at 11:23 AM, Warfish said:

So the theory amongst several folks is that Woody is secretly a Dan Snyder, a Owner-as-GM making all (or most, or many) of the main personnel decisions, specifically at QB, with Wilson, and then Rodgers (and Favre and Tebow in the past).

If that is true, and JD and Saleh have suffered because of it, why would either of them want a contract extension here?

Would not any self respecting GM, with two rookie of the year's under his belt, not want out (like his underlings this offseason) to get to a new team and new Owner who isn't a Woody/Snyder type?

Why would Saleh, who's vaunted top 10 Defense has suffered because of utterly inept offense specifically because of the supposed Woody-mandated decisions, want a chance to finish his contract then become a Coaching Free Agent, free to go coach elsewhere, with better Owners, and maybe a decent QB?

Would any of you want to keep working for Woody, if he forced you to take and play Zach Wilson for three seasons?

Food for thought.

First of all I don't think Woody forced anything but all owners approve major franchise decisions and all owners indirectly choose the QB

[Flashlite80]

For the money!!!!   Walmart doesn't pay nearly as much.  Saleh might get a job as a defensive coordinator.  Good luck to Joe D.

[FidelioJet]

Because they make Millions of a dollars a year and won't any longer if they were to get fired.

 

With that said, I don't believe it was Woody here.  JD loved Zach during the draft process - and stuck with him far too long.

[nj meadowlands]

Has anyone gotten to the bottom of Zach Wilson’s vacation to Bora Bora yet?

[hawk]

On 2/8/2024 at 2:23 PM, Warfish said:

So the theory amongst several folks is that Woody is secretly a Dan Snyder, a Owner-as-GM making all (or most, or many) of the main personnel decisions, specifically at QB, with Wilson, and then Rodgers (and Favre and Tebow in the past).

If that is true, and JD and Saleh have suffered because of it, why would either of them want a contract extension here?

Would not any self respecting GM, with two rookie of the year's under his belt, not want out (like his underlings this offseason) to get to a new team and new Owner who isn't a Woody/Snyder type?

Why would Saleh, who's vaunted top 10 Defense has suffered because of utterly inept offense specifically because of the supposed Woody-mandated decisions, want a chance to finish his contract then become a Coaching Free Agent, free to go coach elsewhere, with better Owners, and maybe a decent QB?

Would any of you want to keep working for Woody, if he forced you to take and play Zach Wilson for three seasons?

Food for thought.

There are 32 GMs and 32 HC, 31 others in the whole world.

What self respecting person would jeopardize that?  Bosses tell subordinates what to do.

[Jet_Engine1]

2 hours ago, nj meadowlands said:

Has anyone gotten to the bottom of Zach Wilson’s vacation to Bora Bora yet?

Mystery Solved.

 

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 2/10/2024 at 12:06 PM, talonmm said:

It's been a very long time since we've even been mediocre.  What a low-bar this team has set. 

When you draft Zach Wilson over Penei Sewell, Micah Parsons etc. and continue to shove him down the throats of your fanbase over 3 crappy years later mediocrity is a pipe dream

[sourceworx]

On 2/8/2024 at 6:38 PM, T0mShane said:

The drafting of Wilson was defensible because you never expect to be picking as high as second overall again and Wilson was a slightly more promising QB prospect than Lance or Fields, so the blame for that is kinda immaterial—they had the two pick and they bet it on a toolsy QB. It happens. It was what happened concurrently and after that points directly at both Douglas and Woody.
 
1. Going into the 2021 season with no competition for Zach Wilson, effectively guaranteeing him the QB1 job directly out of the gate, which is incomprehensible. If you’ll recall, they ended up having to make a desperation trade for Flacco in late October after letting walk as a free agent after the 2020 season. Whose idea was this? Whose plan was this? Was it part of a negotiation with Team Wilson that he’d have the decks cleared for him to start on Day One? It seems reasonable to put this decision on Douglas, mainly, because you’d think any coach who’s been around a little bit would prefer to have a trustworthy veteran option, at least as a backup. 
 

2. Locking Wilson into the #2 job uncontested this past year, all the while telling everyone who would listen that Wilson was getting *multiple redshirt seasons* to sit behind Rodgers (which never made sense anyway because of Wilson’s contract situation). Josina Anderson reported that the decision to not bring in a viable #2—even after the Rodgers injury—was because Woody didn’t want to give Douglas another penny to bring in another QB, considering the cost of Rodgers and Wilson. Was Woody this involved that Douglas didn’t have the rope to bring in Flacco? Or was Douglas aiming higher post-injury and wanted the ~$7 million to buy Matt Ryan out of his TV deal? 
 

 

We have historically started highly drafted QBs right out of the gate, with little or no competition for the job. We did it with Sanchez, Geno, and Darnold. It's happened across multiple regimes here. That makes me think it's something that is mandated from the top. 

Other than that, I think your post is spot on.

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 2/11/2024 at 12:10 AM, nj meadowlands said:

Has anyone gotten to the bottom of Zach Wilson’s vacation to Bora Bora yet?

He has been watching tape during the entire stay at the ocean villa.

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 2/14/2024 at 11:57 AM, sourceworx said:

We have historically started highly drafted QBs right out of the gate, with little or no competition for the job. We did it with Sanchez, Geno, and Darnold. It's happened across multiple regimes here. That makes me think it's something that is mandated from the top. 

Other than that, I think your post is spot on.

 

Everyone starts 1st round QBs immediately now not just us.  Zach was going to bust either way