Didn’t see this posted: Aaron Rodgers mad at Saleh for calling his absence unexcused?

[RutgersJetFan]

21 hours ago, Jet2020 said:

Honestly, I haven’t read too much into this nonsense. 

Lol get a load of this guy

[oatmeal]

On 7/20/2024 at 12:08 PM, Mogglez said:

“That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. “If you come forward now, you won’t get in trouble,” he told them while threatening to take their cell phones. Staffers were bemused by Saleh’s obsession with the Wilson story and his reaction to it“

This will always be the funniest part of the “30 sourcecapades.”  It, genuinely, will never be unfunny to me that 2 grown adults got together, came up with this, and convinced Jets fans that an NFL head coach was doing his best Jack Bauer impression to figure out who leaked a story centered around Zach f’ng Wilson.

I wonder what happened next?!  Was Saleh just about to nail the culprit when all of a sudden he got a phone call from a mysterious stranger telling him to come to an abandoned warehouse in Bayonne if he wants to really crack the case?  Did he ever let the coaches out of the room?  What did he tell the widows of the two guys he had already killed to show the rest he was serious???  I can’t wait to see how the writers wrap this one up in the finale!!

Dude you seem to be a fine and good dude but Rodgers and the jets are not the hill you want to die on defending.

This clown show is about to be blown to smithereens in about 5 months anyways 

[JiFtheOracle]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

 

Oh wow, it's almost like this non-story, is a non-story!  Wonder how the Jets will move past this abomination of miscommunication?!?!?!  After reading this update, I'll hold out on any further opinions until I get the scoop from someone who is really plugged and knows what's going on.  What time is Diani Russini's gossip podcast come on?   Going to put in calendar and make sure I'm getting the real real, as soon as it airs. 

 

[Jet_Engine1]

15 hours ago, Claymation said:

"Zero impact. We didn't care. He had stuff he had to handle."

Johnson continued forward, reminding the media that Rodgers has attended many voluntary things that he could have skipped without repercussion.

"He was at all the voluntary stuff. It doesn't really make sense to scrutinize a guy who's been at all the stuff he didn't have to be at. Especially a first-ballot Hall of Famer like Aaron Rodgers. He's a great leader that we all look up to."

 

It’s not like the Ark of the Covenant is going to find itself.

Well, it's in a Governmental storage facility in the Midwest somewhere soo.... Good luck?

[32EBoozer]

On 7/20/2024 at 2:20 AM, PositiveJetFan said:

Welcome to 2024 where employees manage their bosses and work on their own terms. 

Ever manage union employees? That's par for the cource. Players are part of NFLPA & Saleh is on the hot seat this season. The emporer has no clothes!

[Warfish]

16 hours ago, Claymation said:

"Zero impact. We didn't care. He had stuff he had to handle."

Johnson continued forward, reminding the media that Rodgers has attended many voluntary things that he could have skipped without repercussion.

"He was at all the voluntary stuff. It doesn't really make sense to scrutinize a guy who's been at all the stuff he didn't have to be at. Especially a first-ballot Hall of Famer like Aaron Rodgers. He's a great leader that we all look up to."

I see Johnson (fixed) is just as much of a fawning fanboi of Rodgers as many JN Posters.  Screw accountability and managerial control, when you can fawn. 

Seems he's getting his talking points from JN as well, with the "well, he attended some voluntary stuff and didn't have to" justification/rationalization.

Of course, that's not really the issue, everyone associated with the team and desirous of winning should want their HOF QB to attend not only all the voluntary work (because he's the leader, right) but also the mandatory stuff (because it's mandatory, and the work is needed to fix this perennial last place offense, and the QB in question hasn't thrown a completion that counts for two years, and he's never thrown a completion that counts to any of his current teammates, etc.).

I'm willing to bet if/when Rodgers skips some days of training camp, or ever preseason, the same fawning fans will excuse that too.  Hero worship doesn't win Super Bowls, hard work does.

Lets hope all the fawning pays off, and he's great like he was several years ago.  If not, this will become a sh*tshow pretty quick.

16 hours ago, Claymation said:

It’s not like the Ark of the Covenant is going to find itself.

😆

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I see Woody is just as much of a fawning fanboi of Rodgers as many JN Posters.  Screw accountabillity and managerial control, when you can fawn. 

Seems he's getting his talking points from JN as well, with the "well, he attended some voluntary stuff and didn't have to" justification/rationalization.

Of course, that's not really the issue, the Owner of the team should want his HOF QB to attend not only all the voluntary work (because he's the leader, right) but also the mandatory stuff (because it's mandatory, and the work is needed to fix this perennial last place offense, and the QB in question hasn't thrown a completion that counts for two years, and he's never thrown a completion that counts to any of his current teammates, etc.).

Lets hope all the fawning pays off, and he's great like he was several years ago.  If not, this will become a sh*tshow pretty quick.

😆

 

If I'm way off let me know, but it seems you may be ready to come to terms with the simple truth that if we ever win, it will be in spite of Woody Johnson.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, JustInFudge said:

Oh wow, it's almost like this non-story, is a non-story!  Wonder how the Jets will move past this abomination of miscommunication?!?!?!  After reading this update, I'll hold out on any further opinions until I get the scoop from someone who is really plugged and knows what's going on.  What time is Diani Russini's gossip podcast come on?   Going to put in calendar and make sure I'm getting the real real, as soon as it airs. 

 

“Mandatory is just, like, a word people use, man.”

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

“Mandatory is just, like, a word people use, man.”

Gotta get all the non-football distractions out of the building brah

[bicketybam]

13 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I see Woody is just as much of a fawning fanboi of Rodgers as many JN Posters.  Screw accountabillity and managerial control, when you can fawn. 

Seems he's getting his talking points from JN as well, with the "well, he attended some voluntary stuff and didn't have to" justification/rationalization.

Of course, that's not really the issue, the Owner of the team should want his HOF QB to attend not only all the voluntary work (because he's the leader, right) but also the mandatory stuff (because it's mandatory, and the work is needed to fix this perennial last place offense, and the QB in question hasn't thrown a completion that counts for two years, and he's never thrown a completion that counts to any of his current teammates, etc.).

I'm willing to bet if/when Rodgers skips some days of training camp, or ever preseason, the same fawning fans will excuse that too.  Hero worship doesn't win Super Bowls, hard work does.

Lets hope all the fawning pays off, and he's great like he was several years ago.  If not, this will become a sh*tshow pretty quick.

😆

Wrong Johnson, but you keep on doing you 😅 The quote was from Jermaine Johnson, not Woody. You can't make this stuff up 😅😅😅

[Warfish]

14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If I'm way off let me know, but it seems you may be ready to come to terms with the simple truth that if we ever win, it will be in spite of Woody Johnson.

Aye, probably. 

I don't think he's the active day to day all-blame-here meddler/decision maker many of you do, but I also don't think he's a terribly good owner nor does he make terribly good hires for the positions he is responsible for (GM, Head Coach, asking the hard questions about QB decisions, etc.)

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Wrong Johnson, but you keep on doing you 😅 The quote was from Jermaine Johnson, not Woody. You can't make this stuff up 😅😅😅

Fair enough.  Clearly didn't see that, only the "Johnson" citation part in the post I quoted.  Edited five words, problem solved.

It's a mistake on my part of who said it.  It happens.  You seem to think you're winning the internet or something here dude, relax. 😆  It's a football forum, we're not curing cancer here (sadly, that's be pretty awesome if we were). 

[JiFtheOracle]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

“Mandatory is just, like, a word people use, man.”

I'm not familiar w/ the word, I'm sure I could just google it but I'd rather wait hear how your boo sauce, what do you call her, D-Russ? I'll wait for how D-Russ defines it before I react. 

[bicketybam]

58 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Fair enough.  Clearly didn't see that, only the "Johnson" citation part in the post I quoted.  Edited five words, problem solved.

It's a mistake on my part of who said it.  It happens.  You seem to think you're winning the internet or something here dude, relax. 😆  It's a football forum, we're not curing cancer here (sadly, that's be pretty awesome if we were). 

You went off on some rant because you thought Woody Johnson said it. The fact that it was a teammate completely changes the narrative you laid out. I didn't read your edit. Were the five words, "My bad, I f@cked up?" 😅

[Warfish]

6 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

You went off on some rant because you thought Woody Johnson said it.

Is it a "rant" just because it's aimed squarely at fawning little fanboi's such as yourself?  Seems like it is.

6 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

The fact that it was a teammate completely changes the narrative you laid out.

Not really.  The narrative is a QB not doing what he should, and people letting him off on it because he's aw shucks just so awesome and dreamy and we're lucky to have him so don't piss him off, lol.  i.e. Fanboi.  Owner or teammate, the lack of holding him accountable for skipping his job remains the same.

6 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Were the five words, "My bad, I f@cked up?" 😅

Nope, that was said in the reply I made to you.

It's funny if you think I would hide from the mistake, lol, if you really think that you have no idea who I am mate.  I own my mistakes when they happen.

But no worries, keep on winning the internet Bam, lol.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

3 hours ago, oatmeal said:

“That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. “If you come forward now, you won’t get in trouble,” he told them while threatening to take their cell phones. Staffers were bemused by Saleh’s obsession with the Wilson story and his reaction to it“

Forgetting about the Zach Wilson aspect, the biggest takeaway here is that Saleh looks like a buffoon.

The man does not command the respect of the players or even his own staff, which speaks to an inability to lead, despite the "tough guy" Vin Diesel stairmaster jumping up and down on the sidelines BS upon which he built up his image and rep.

Saleh lacks the gravitas to lead.

His idiotic, weak in-game decision-making is also a big problem.

He's managed to keep his job on the back on a statistically elite defense.  But how much of that is because they have elite players as opposed to some genius defensive-minded HC?

[JiFtheOracle]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

I see Johnson (fixed) is just as much of a fawning fanboi of Rodgers as many JN Posters.  Screw accountability and managerial control, when you can fawn. 

Seems he's getting his talking points from JN as well, with the "well, he attended some voluntary stuff and didn't have to" justification/rationalization.

Of course, that's not really the issue, everyone associated with the team and desirous of winning should want their HOF QB to attend not only all the voluntary work (because he's the leader, right) but also the mandatory stuff (because it's mandatory, and the work is needed to fix this perennial last place offense, and the QB in question hasn't thrown a completion that counts for two years, and he's never thrown a completion that counts to any of his current teammates, etc.).

I'm willing to bet if/when Rodgers skips some days of training camp, or ever preseason, the same fawning fans will excuse that too.  Hero worship doesn't win Super Bowls, hard work does.

Lets hope all the fawning pays off, and he's great like he was several years ago.  If not, this will become a sh*tshow pretty quick.

😆

Jermaine Johnson is getting his talking points from fanboi's on JN?  Why would JJ need to justify/rationalize any of this, he didnt miss 3 hours of practice in June....or did he????   There is only one way to find out!  Wanna have a watch party for D-Russ's next podcast?  

 

[T0mShane]

39 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

I'm not familiar w/ the word, I'm sure I could just google it but I'd rather wait hear how your boo sauce, what do you call her, D-Russ? I'll wait for how D-Russ defines it before I react. 

[greenwichjetfan]

On 7/20/2024 at 5:23 AM, T0mShane said:

Haha Russini! She makes everything up. Let’s revisit all those insidious lies she told about the hugely successful and very well run 2024 NY Jets!

1. Those sources described a team riddled with excuse-making, a paranoid head coach, an ill-equipped offensive coordinator and an organizational tunnel vision on the quarterback that rubbed some teammates wrong.
 

2. when Rodgers became available, Johnson was starstruck — again.

To woo the four-time All-Pro, the owner approved the hiring of Hackett on Jan. 26. Rodgers won MVP awards in 2020 and 2021 after Hackett was hired as the Packers’ coordinator in 2019, and the quarterback developed a close friendship with the coach.

3.The Jets made Rodgers comfortable in other ways, pursuing some of his former Green Bay teammates and other friends in free agency before he officially joined the team in April

4. The quarterback stuck around for offseason workouts, a rarity when he was with the Packers. On the field and in meetings, he put everything he had into changing the culture of the organization. 
 

5. New York’s talented defensive line consistently outplayed them in practice. Growing pains were expected in a new offense full of new personnel, but one coach said it was concerning how little urgency Hackett and his staff showed in trying to fix it, saying he’d never seen a team watch less practice tape in training camp than the Jets did with Hackett.
 

6. During games, Hackett struggled to make adjustments. Against the Dallas Cowboysin Week 2, Carter asked Hackett to give left tackle Duane Brown more help blocking Cowboys star pass rusher Micah Parsons, according to multiple team sources. But Hackett never adjusted, and Parsons dominated (two sacks, four QB hits) in a 30-10 loss.
 

7. In Week 6, Rodgers started flying in from California for games and was an active voice on the sideline headsets, offering opinions and ideas along with Hackett and the other offensive coaches before flying back to California the next day. 
 

8. The Jets finished the season ranked last in third down conversions, red zone offense and total offensive EPA, 31st in total yards, 30th in offensive points per game and 30th in passing yards. They scored 10 offensive touchdowns in their first 12 games — and 18 total in 17 games.
 

9. Hackett will return as the offensive coordinator in 2024, though team and league sources say Saleh has explored adding to the offensive staff and creating a more collaborative play-calling process that would reduce Hackett’s role

10. In the aftermath of Rodgers’ injury, Saleh bemoaned his bad luck. Throughout his tenure, he has often wondered aloud if he was doomed to the same fate as Vic Fangio, a brilliant defensive coach cursed by misfortune at quarterback. Fangio was fired by the Broncos in 2021 after three seasons and a 19-30 record despite building an elite defense. Saleh’s Jets — and his elite defense, ranked No. 1 in 2023 by PFF— are 18-33 in his three years as coach.
 

11.  Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”
 

12. But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jets’ makeshift offensive line.
 

13. As Rodgers was pushing the limits of torn Achilles rehab, determined to return in a little over three months — an unprecedented recovery time for that injury — Wilson, along with some Jets teammates and coaches, grew tired of the way Saleh fawned over Rodgers, according to team sources.
 

14. “That’s a problem with the organization,” Rodgers said on “The Pat McAfee Show.” “We need to get to the bottom of whatever this is coming from and put a stop to it privately, because there’s no place in a winning culture … and this isn’t the only time. There’s been a bunch of other leaks
 

15. That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. “If you come forward now, you won’t get in trouble,” he told them while threatening to take their cell phones. Staffers were bemused by Saleh’s obsession with the Wilson story and his reaction to it.
 

16. Some of the stuff in the offseason with Aaron, with ‘Hard Knocks,’ I feel like we lost track of some things,” star cornerback Sauce Gardner said, adding, “When there’s a lot of cameras and a lot of stuff going on, you can lose track of the main thing. At the end of the day, we still got to win.”
 

lol just realized that Russini is T0m's "gf" and Rodgers is the "town crackhead".

[bicketybam]

35 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Is it a "rant" just because it's aimed squarely at fawning little fanboi's such as yourself?  Seems like it is.

Not really.  The narrative is a QB not doing what he should, and people letting him off on it because he's aw shucks just so awesome and dreamy and we're lucky to have him so don't piss him off, lol.  i.e. Fanboi.  Owner or teammate, the lack of holding him accountable for skipping his job remains the same.

Nope, that was said in the reply I made to you.

It's funny if you think I would hide from the mistake, lol, if you really think that you have no idea who I am mate.  I own my mistakes when they happen.

But no worries, keep on winning the internet Bam, lol.

Now I'm a fawning little fanboi because you have a raging hardon for Aaron Rodgers? Give it a rest, mate 😅

Rodgers is a 20 year vet with 4 MVP's and a SB ring. While it may ruffle your feathers, that has bought him some respect from his teammates. That's what Jermaine "I'm not Woody" Johnson was saying in the interview. He and his teammates see Rodgers as a leader who they respect. The see him as a hard worker who was at almost all of the voluntary workouts. They are giving him a pass on missing a day and a half of mandatory mini camp. That's not Bickety Fanboi talking. That's his teammates. I guess they are the real fanbois and you are free to hold their feet to the fire for feeling the way they do. It's not like they have been a teammate of Rodgers and interacted with him. What could they possibly know that you don't?

 

[#27TheDominator]

On 7/20/2024 at 6:23 AM, T0mShane said:

Haha Russini! She makes everything up. Let’s revisit all those insidious lies she told about the hugely successful and very well run 2024 NY Jets!

1. Those sources described a team riddled with excuse-making, a paranoid head coach, an ill-equipped offensive coordinator and an organizational tunnel vision on the quarterback that rubbed some teammates wrong.
 

2. when Rodgers became available, Johnson was starstruck — again.

To woo the four-time All-Pro, the owner approved the hiring of Hackett on Jan. 26. Rodgers won MVP awards in 2020 and 2021 after Hackett was hired as the Packers’ coordinator in 2019, and the quarterback developed a close friendship with the coach.

3.The Jets made Rodgers comfortable in other ways, pursuing some of his former Green Bay teammates and other friends in free agency before he officially joined the team in April

4. The quarterback stuck around for offseason workouts, a rarity when he was with the Packers. On the field and in meetings, he put everything he had into changing the culture of the organization. 
 

5. New York’s talented defensive line consistently outplayed them in practice. Growing pains were expected in a new offense full of new personnel, but one coach said it was concerning how little urgency Hackett and his staff showed in trying to fix it, saying he’d never seen a team watch less practice tape in training camp than the Jets did with Hackett.
 

6. During games, Hackett struggled to make adjustments. Against the Dallas Cowboysin Week 2, Carter asked Hackett to give left tackle Duane Brown more help blocking Cowboys star pass rusher Micah Parsons, according to multiple team sources. But Hackett never adjusted, and Parsons dominated (two sacks, four QB hits) in a 30-10 loss.
 

7. In Week 6, Rodgers started flying in from California for games and was an active voice on the sideline headsets, offering opinions and ideas along with Hackett and the other offensive coaches before flying back to California the next day. 
 

8. The Jets finished the season ranked last in third down conversions, red zone offense and total offensive EPA, 31st in total yards, 30th in offensive points per game and 30th in passing yards. They scored 10 offensive touchdowns in their first 12 games — and 18 total in 17 games.
 

9. Hackett will return as the offensive coordinator in 2024, though team and league sources say Saleh has explored adding to the offensive staff and creating a more collaborative play-calling process that would reduce Hackett’s role

10. In the aftermath of Rodgers’ injury, Saleh bemoaned his bad luck. Throughout his tenure, he has often wondered aloud if he was doomed to the same fate as Vic Fangio, a brilliant defensive coach cursed by misfortune at quarterback. Fangio was fired by the Broncos in 2021 after three seasons and a 19-30 record despite building an elite defense. Saleh’s Jets — and his elite defense, ranked No. 1 in 2023 by PFF— are 18-33 in his three years as coach.
 

11.  Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”
 

12. But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jets’ makeshift offensive line.
 

13. As Rodgers was pushing the limits of torn Achilles rehab, determined to return in a little over three months — an unprecedented recovery time for that injury — Wilson, along with some Jets teammates and coaches, grew tired of the way Saleh fawned over Rodgers, according to team sources.
 

14. “That’s a problem with the organization,” Rodgers said on “The Pat McAfee Show.” “We need to get to the bottom of whatever this is coming from and put a stop to it privately, because there’s no place in a winning culture … and this isn’t the only time. There’s been a bunch of other leaks
 

15. That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. “If you come forward now, you won’t get in trouble,” he told them while threatening to take their cell phones. Staffers were bemused by Saleh’s obsession with the Wilson story and his reaction to it.
 

16. Some of the stuff in the offseason with Aaron, with ‘Hard Knocks,’ I feel like we lost track of some things,” star cornerback Sauce Gardner said, adding, “When there’s a lot of cameras and a lot of stuff going on, you can lose track of the main thing. At the end of the day, we still got to win.”
 

I read this whole ******* thing and the only thing that truly shocked me was that the final against the Cowboys was only 30-10.

Another mildly interesting tidbit was that they only scored 10 TDs in the 1st 12, but 8 in the final 5.  I put that together with Rodgers starting to fly in after week 6 and pipe up more and maybe he is a key part of the O even with sh*tty QBs.

[#27TheDominator]

16 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Carr was the smart move.  As bad as he’s been - he would still be better than what we’ve gotten from old man Rodgers. 

When using the benefit of hindsight, aren't you supposed to, you know?  Use hindsight?

[Biggs]

On 7/21/2024 at 10:16 AM, Jet2020 said:

Honestly, I haven’t read too much into this nonsense. It’s a mandatory camp subject to fines. Just because they talked about it doesn’t mean Rodgers shenanigans became excused. He’s had months on end to go visit Egypt. Picking mandatory camp time is inexcusable. 

Again, all this nonsense comes part of the Aaron Rodgers package. 

In fairness to Rodgers, as a player he's part of the meritocracy.   Saleh and Woody are part of the inbred neopitism at the NFL managment and ownership level.   Rodgers is a douche but he's at least earned his status to do as he wants.

[Sperm Edwards]

16 hours ago, Beerfish said:

At this point Garroplo did not cost us two 2nds and trading down in the first and played more than 4 snaps and did not bring legends like Billy turner,tim boyle, randall cobb and allan lazard and nat hackett with him.

Trumpeting that Garapolo is so terrible at this point is very funny considering what we have gotten from rodgers so farm which has 100% been a net negative so far.

Adding Garoppolo is terrible unless adding him purely as a QB2 at $5-10MM with under $10MM guaranteed (as the Rams did after Vegas ate the rest of JG's guarantees with another wasted season upcoming).

Teams should make major signings with a goal of winning a championship in mind -- the goal is the baby, not some goal of trying to get only 30-60% pregnant because it's a little cheaper that way. Signing Garoppolo as the presumptive starter for two seasons is exactly trying to get a little bit pregnant: doing just enough to not have Zach Wilson be the face of the franchise for another offseason and also not draft anyone else of substance, but is nonetheless an unserious attempt at winning.

Garoppolo was a multi-year guarantee as a guaranteed dead end. That there were also two 2nds & $10MM/year more cap space paired with him doesn't change that.

So far the Rodgers pickup has been a flop, seeing how he got injured 4 plays into his first season. No doubt about that.

Most seasons don't end in Super Bowl wins (or appearances), but choosing Garoppolo was a non-try guaranteed waste of time -- a multi-year guarantee that became a tacit announcement by the franchise in 2023that they're not even going to attempt to compete for a championship until at least the 2025 season when they'll revisit the possibility of a major investment in the position.

[Biggs]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Screw accountability and managerial control, when you can fawn. 

 

😆

Rodgers chose to come to the Jets because the deal was no accountability or managerial control.  Hard to blame Rodgers for Saleh violating the conditions of his employment by pretending he had managerial control.

[BigRy56]

I see Russini went back to the well to drive engagement for her new podcast

[Sperm Edwards]

17 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Carr was the smart move.  As bad as he’s been - he would still be better than what we’ve gotten from old man Rodgers. 

Carr was the 2nd-best move among Rodgers-Carr-JG.

He was also a waste of time in advance. He's upright a lot more than JG, and physically has enough skill, but the inescapable problem is he's an emo loser who also required a 3-year guarantee in advance. 

Thus far the best move of the bunch would've been to sign none of them, seeing how Zach ended up starting the whole season anyway.

There's at least hope for the coming season with Rodgers so long as he's starting. He's got whatever issues he's got off the field, but just as a QB there's no serious hope with either of the other two. 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

I see Johnson (fixed) is just as much of a fawning fanboi of Rodgers as many JN Posters.  Screw accountability and managerial control, when you can fawn. 

Seems he's getting his talking points from JN as well, with the "well, he attended some voluntary stuff and didn't have to" justification/rationalization.

Of course, that's not really the issue, everyone associated with the team and desirous of winning should want their HOF QB to attend not only all the voluntary work (because he's the leader, right) but also the mandatory stuff (because it's mandatory, and the work is needed to fix this perennial last place offense, and the QB in question hasn't thrown a completion that counts for two years, and he's never thrown a completion that counts to any of his current teammates, etc.).

I'm willing to bet if/when Rodgers skips some days of training camp, or ever preseason, the same fawning fans will excuse that too.  Hero worship doesn't win Super Bowls, hard work does.

Lets hope all the fawning pays off, and he's great like he was several years ago.  If not, this will become a sh*tshow pretty quick.

😆

The failures of Saleh and Joe Douglas since they got here, is the ONLY reason why jets had no choice but to trade for a 40 yr old HOF , 1 of all time great qbs ( but controlling diva ) . They knew EXACTLY what they were getting with Rodgers. Honestly I trust rodgers running the jets than Johnson, salah , JD combined. No competent  Gm, HC would want any part of rodgers at 40 + especially. It was amusing for Saleh to think he could convince the players and fans ? Rodgers does not get special treatment here ha. 

[Warfish]

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Now I'm a fawning little fanboi

When it comes to Aaron Rodgers, yes, you are.  Obviously so.

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Rodgers is a 20 year vet with 4 MVP's and a SB ring.

Who has as yet not completed a pass as a NYJ.

He is coming off his worst season as a pro (2022) due in part to injury, and a completely missed season due to injury (2023).

What he did in Green Bay in the past means piss all today.  Or to the Jets.  He's done nothing at all for us yet.

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

While it may ruffle your feathers, that has bought him some respect from his teammates.

His teammates are 15 years younger than him, mostly, lol.  They respect him because they were watching him be great in GB when they were five years old.

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

He and his teammates see Rodgers as a leader who they respect.

Respected leaders don't skip mandatory practice for frivolous reasons. 

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

They are giving him a pass on missing a day and a half of mandatory mini camp.

This seems to get shorter and shorter with each telling.  Soon it'll be only two hours Rodgers skipped, lol.

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

That's not Bickety Fanboi talking. That's his teammates. I guess they are the real fanbois and you are free to hold their feet to the fire for feeling the way they do.

Yes, I'm free to disagree with a player.  No sh*t.

27 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

It's not like they have been a teammate of Rodgers and interacted with him. What could they possibly know that you don't?

I'm sure they know a lot that I don't.  They're also his teammates, and a (as yet) unproven guy like J.J. isn't exactly going to get on the mike and rip apart Aaron "15 years older" Rodgers for this, nor is it his job to do so.  He's basically giving you PR, and you're slurping it up like a good little fanboi always does.

The Jets are better if Rodgers attends everything.  Period.  Anything less is rationalization, excuse making, and fanboi'ism, 100%.

Like I keep saying, I certainly hope you Rodgers fanbois are right in 2024.  You certainly weren't in 2023.

[TBJ]

If Woody had gone right to the police, this would never have happened.

[bicketybam]

20 minutes ago, Warfish said:

When it comes to Aaron Rodgers, yes, you are.  Obviously so.

Who has as yet not completed a pass as a NYJ.

He is coming off his worst season as a pro (2022) due in part to injury, and a completely missed season due to injury (2023).

What he did in Green Bay in the past means piss all today.  Or to the Jets.  He's done nothing at all for us yet.

His teammates are 15 years younger than him, mostly, lol.  They respect him because they were watching him be great in GB when they were five years old.

Respected leaders don't skip mandatory practice for frivolous reasons. 

This seems to get shorter and shorter with each telling.  Soon it'll be only two hours Rodgers skipped, lol.

Yes, I'm free to disagree with a player.  No sh*t.

I'm sure they know a lot that I don't.  They're also his teammates, and a (as yet) unproven guy like J.J. isn't exactly going to get on the mike and rip apart Aaron "15 years older" Rodgers for this, nor is it his job to do so.  He's basically giving you PR, and you're slurping it up like a good little fanboi always does.

The Jets are better if Rodgers attends everything.  Period.  Anything less is rationalization, excuse making, and fanboi'ism, 100%.

Like I keep saying, I certainly hope you Rodgers fanbois are right in 2024.  You certainly weren't in 2023.

Clearly you are the guy that owns his mistakes 😅 

[#27TheDominator]

If there is one thing that NFL players are known for, it is respecting their elders.

[Sperm Edwards]

38 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

If there is one thing that NFL players are known for, it is respecting their elders.

Depends on the elder, but that goes for non-NFLers, too.

Well into his 80s (now 90s) if Warren Buffett offers to give you individual investment advice you probably listen & give him a crazy amount of respect. If it's some random retired trader/broker, who was just decently successful in his prime, no you probably don't listen to the him as he's oblivious to the fruit cup syrup dripping down his chin.

When the alternative was Zach Wilson - coming off the '22 season - the NFL teammates respected Rodgers plenty & visibly treated him like royalty. Probably it was the same when Brady replaced Winston, too. Or to a lesser extent, Tannehill replacing the personality-devoid Mariota, or Fitzpatrick replacing Geno Smith. But like my investor analogy, not so much with the likes of Russell Wilson taking over in Denver because he's apparently just an insufferable douche to be around. 

A year later on Rodgers? We'll see. Let's see how many games he plays first, assuming he's playing them at an above-average level in the first place. Take Flacco for instance -- the players respected him one week and then seeming to weigh the merits of senio-euthanasia the next.  

I think Rodgers will be at least fine, but admittedly my own optimism or pessimism plays no part in it. He could last 4 plays again faik. I think he still has the team's respect, and fans are making a bigger deal of a couple mid-June practices than the players who'd have forgotten it already if no one off the team was writing articles about it.

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

Aye, probably. 

I don't think he's the active day to day all-blame-here meddler/decision maker many of you do, but I also don't think he's a terribly good owner nor does he make terribly good hires for the positions he is responsible for (GM, Head Coach, asking the hard questions about QB decisions, etc.)

Yeah, the meddling stuff is just window dressing, really.  I don't care much we surrendered a 4th for Tim Tebow because of Woody Johnson.  I DO care that he hired Mike Maccagnan, the worst GM in NFL history....and kept him around for 5 years.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Forgetting about the Zach Wilson aspect, the biggest takeaway here is that Saleh looks like a buffoon.

The man does not command the respect of the players or even his own staff, which speaks to an inability to lead, despite the "tough guy" Vin Diesel stairmaster jumping up and down on the sidelines BS upon which he built up his image and rep.

Saleh lacks the gravitas to lead.

His idiotic, weak in-game decision-making is also a big problem.

He's managed to keep his job on the back on a statistically elite defense.  But how much of that is because they have elite players as opposed to some genius defensive-minded HC?

 

But what if I told you he has a sweet speech about birds coming this year?