Maxman Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 The first ever JN Debate is over. Click Here to see the transcript. So who won? Make your selection and let us know what you think. Voting will remain open until 4pm on Thursday (12/21). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 This was really sad. I wish TX has showed up a bit more. I guess he thought his usual evading of topics, one liners and smilies could help him out in a one on one discussion. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 You want to see a great debate? Have 2 pats fans take one side of thea argument of whether the Jets will become a powerhouse under Mangini and why. It would be interesting to see a Pats fan debate in favor of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 This should be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Good Job BZ...TX insisted on his same old line of attack: Take something BZ said and try to bash it instead of actually coming up with something fresh. Of course, if Tx could actually come up with something fresh once in a while, he would lose his title of #1 SPIN DOCTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Green Pride has reared it's ugly head. Facts be damned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Green Pride has reared it's ugly head. Facts be damned! Patriot Pride rides the Delusion Train right down Dynasty Alley. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I enjoyed the debate, thought BZ won, but I disagree on one of his main points. I don't see why the Pats wouldn't keep being successful and a strong SB contender even though I hate them. They still have BB and Brady, they have managed to win with revolving personel over the last few years, and their talent level individually was never as great as the sum of their parts. In fact, they may be a tough out this year. Anyway, I think BZ did a great job making the case for Jet greatness in 2007 and beyond and hope he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Patriot Pride rides the Delusion Train right down Dynasty Alley. BZ Can you find a pillow to accomodate that big head of yours? I read some of the "debate." Speculation versus fact. Since speculation is a staple in the delusional mind....well, you win! Delusion is a way of being for Jets fans.....that and being in a constant manic state. IF the Jets lose this Sunday - watch the manic lows! IF they win this Sunday - watch the manic highs. Cracks me up everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Can you find a pillow to accomodate that big head of yours? I read some of the "debate." Speculation versus fact. Since speculation is a staple in the delusional mind....well, you win! Delusion is a way of being for Jets fans.....that and being in a constant manic state. IF the Jets lose this Sunday - watch the manic lows! IF they win this Sunday - watch the manic highs. Cracks me up everytime. You clearly didn't do too well in reading comprehension. The entire topic was ABOUT speculation it was talking about the 2007 Jets and beyond and whether or not Mangini had the team going in the right direction. What I did was to try and show, through history, stats and speculation how they were headed in the right direction and could achieve greatness in 2007 and beyond. Of course, you missed all that because they don't coincide with your agenda. Sad really. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 BZ is at 87%. Hanging Chad's won't matter here, this is a landslide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Can you find a pillow to accomodate that big head of yours? I read some of the "debate." Speculation versus fact. Since speculation is a staple in the delusional mind....well, you win! Delusion is a way of being for Jets fans.....that and being in a constant manic state. IF the Jets lose this Sunday - watch the manic lows! IF they win this Sunday - watch the manic highs. Cracks me up everytime. Wow, not only did BZ get owned in the debate, Garb just whipped his ass as well. "Delusion is a way of being for Jets fans". What a great line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I can't believe patsy homers actually voted for tx. I thought they were so objective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 You clearly didn't do too well in reading comprehension. The entire topic was ABOUT speculation it was talking about the 2007 Jets and beyond and whether or not Mangini had the team going in the right direction. What I did was to try and show, through history, stats and speculation how they were headed in the right direction and could achieve greatness in 2007 and beyond. Of course, you missed all that because they don't coincide with your agenda. Sad really. BZ ....and you have no agenda at all! Ah, your arrogance won't let you see the forrest through the trees. Trying to be objective is a foriegn concept to most Jets fans. Sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Where the hell is Gainzo? I need my 4th vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Wow, not only did BZ get owned in the debate, Garb just whipped his ass as well. "Delusion is a way of being for Jets fans". What a great line. Man, if you had strung together a couple more of her lines in your debate you might have... well... not been crushed. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 A Pats fan will NEVER win a debate here. No chance. Never. Just like POTW. Never 'gonna happen. Regardless of merit - just not going to happen. Put it this way, a Pats fan winning a "sanctioned JN debate" is as likely as Chad throwing the ball downfield for 40 yards with zip. I find this kind of funny: Many of the posters here think the Pats first SB victory was a joke gift from Walt Coleman. An "unfair" victory. Pats fans should not celebrate that first SB. So, what exactly is this? I know! An unfair victory -yet gloating is the tale of the day! Interesting. Delusional Hyprocricy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 ....and you have no agenda at all! Ah, your arrogance won't let you see the forrest through the trees. Trying to be objective is a foriegn concept to most Jets fans. Sad really. I am a Jets fan on a Jets board, my agenda is clear. I am a huge homer and optimist and admit both. What is your agenda? BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 A Pats fan will NEVER win a debate here. No chance. Never. Just like POTW. Never 'gonna happen. Regardless of merit - just not going to happen. Put it this way, a Pats fan winning a "sanctioned JN debate" is as likely as Chad throwing the ball downfield for 40 yards with zip. I find this kind of funny: Many of the posters here think the Pats first SB victory was a joke gift from Walt Coleman. An "unfair" victory. Pats fans should not celebrate that first SB. So, what exactly is this? I know! An unfair victory -yet gloating is the tale of the day! Interesting. Delusional Hyprocricy. Garb -- We are all stupid. We get it. Going forward you can leave that part out of your post. Just looking to save bandwidth, nothing personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeniemeanie Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Somebody should get Garb and TX a dictionary for Christmas..... Please explain to me how one could argue anything that has not happened yet without speculating. Also, what exactly is a MANIC low. Never heard of it myself. Manic, being derived from the word mania, by definition, refers to a high. I suppose it's quite difficult to argue anything when you don't quite understand the definition of the words you use. Better luck next time. Riddle me this, Pat's fans: Subjective vs. Objective. What is the difference? Just busting chops folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 BZ won IMO based on the strength of using quotes directly from Tx to essentially turn it in to a Tx vs. Tx debate. Between those two, I'd say the smart..or should I say smarter Tx won (The Tx that was praising Mangini, not the one who was obsessed with Chad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 A Pats fan will NEVER win a debate here. No chance. Never. Just like POTW. Never 'gonna happen. Regardless of merit - just not going to happen. Put it this way, a Pats fan winning a "sanctioned JN debate" is as likely as Chad throwing the ball downfield for 40 yards with zip. I find this kind of funny: Many of the posters here think the Pats first SB victory was a joke gift from Walt Coleman. An "unfair" victory. Pats fans should not celebrate that first SB. So, what exactly is this? I know! An unfair victory -yet gloating is the tale of the day! Interesting. Delusional Hyprocricy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 The Pats fans shouldn't have all voted at once! They should have spread it out, mounted a late rally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I read some of the "debate." Speculation versus fact. You clearly didn't do too well in reading comprehension. The entire topic was ABOUT speculation it was talking about the 2007 Jets and beyond and whether or not Mangini had the team going in the right direction. Of course, you missed all that because they don't coincide with your agenda. Sad really. BZ hahahaha POTW nominee. I guess we now know why they talk funny up there. They cant READ or TALK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 damn, 500 vCash? That could win it all right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 BZ is at 87%. Hanging Chad's won't matter here, this is a landslide! this is a Jets site. Even if a Pats fan came up with real, solid, irrefutable arguments, Jets fans would vote for the Jets anyway. so this kind of wasn't fair to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 BZ won IMO based on the strength of using quotes directly from Tx to essentially turn it in to a Tx vs. Tx debate. Between those two, I'd say the smart..or should I say smarter Tx won (The Tx that was praising Mangini, not the one who was obsessed with Chad) I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I agree. Lurker, who said that in your signature? That is funny as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Tx, are you getting senile? http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=347341&postcount=39 http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?p=347807#post347807 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 this is a Jets site. Even if a Pats fan came up with real, solid, irrefutable arguments, Jets fans would vote for the Jets anyway. so this kind of wasn't fair to begin with. ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 this is a Jets site. Even if a Pats fan came up with real, solid, irrefutable arguments, Jets fans would vote for the Jets anyway. Too bad he didn't even come close. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Patriots fans aren't even coming to his aid. I guess the fact that he, and all other Pats fans, agree that Mangini is going to be an elite head coach really hurt Tx's cause here. I think the debate can be summed up like this: Tx: The Patriots have beaten all good teams, the Jets havent......even though the Jets beat the Pats, in New England, which makes my argument moot.... But the Jets still won't get better. BZ: But you said this: "Mangini will be a great coach. Jets fans will love him, etc." Tx: ..............uhh........ Chad Pennington has a Noodle arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Too bad he didn't even come close. BZ Yeah, like you would admit it if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Yeah, like you would admit it if he did. Sure I would. I was actually looking for a good debate. I came out strong citing NFL history and making points. TX just kept trying to drag the debate from one thing to the next to the next. He couldn't stay on topic or rebut any of the points I made. In the end, his best rebuttal was that he didn't think the numbers I was using were good enough. I wish it had been closer and he had actually had an argument. That being said, it is VERY hard to argue that the Jets are not improving and won't keep improving. The thing is, TX picked the topic because of all his BS banter around here and his "same ole Jets" talk. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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