SouthernJet Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=604532 either Charlie did a bad coaching job or this guy is a Notre Dame homer, but he has FIVE ND players in 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 LaRon Landy falling to the Pats at 19? Dream on. That guy is a solid Top 10 pick. Ted Ginn Jr.? He won't be much of anything in the pro's except a glorified KR / PR. Much like Devin Hester and you'd be paying Top 5 money for him? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 No Way the jets would pass on Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 No Way the jets would pass on Lynch. I was thinking the same thing...id love a combo of lynch-washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 They have Herm taking a receiver and said this about the Falcons: Can't rely on Abraham and need to be more productive off the edge. Gotta love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I'm not too excited about Lynch. That Cal offense has been very succesful in recent years despite not turning out any good pro players. Makes me wonder if it is just good coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Exactly, pass on lynch and take bush in the second. or first if we win the superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Wow surprised how high he has ND's wr and safety going. I am an ND fan and did not think they would go that high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Don't see Pit**** at all. The Jets already have a small quick NT. What they need at NT is the BIG run stuffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutout Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Don't see Pit**** at all. The Jets already have a small quick NT. What they need at NT is the BIG run stuffer I've never really watched him play so I don't know what type of tackle he is,but just looking at his size I'd bet if the Jets drafted Pitc0ck,he'd be moved to end in the 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet38 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 What's the big hype about Smadrjza out of Notre Dame. I mean he's a great athlete, but is he guaranteed to be playing football? Didn't the Cubs sign him to a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 yes and the safety has a boxing career. Jeff is a good wr, tall, athletic and somewhat quick but did not think 1st round talent..but then again what the hell do I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Name College Height Weight 40-Time Paul Soliai Utah 6-4 334 5.05 We should look at this guy, he is 334lbs with the same 40 time as the 295lb guy they say we will draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I've never really watched him play so I don't know what type of tackle he is,but just looking at his size I'd bet if the Jets drafted Pitc0ck,he'd be moved to end in the 3-4 At his size 6'3" 296 he might fit as a 3-4 DE. But, do the Jets really want to spend a 1st on a project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I hate to "chump" another man's mock draft, but Adam Carriker has to be on that list.... He's the freak in room.....6' 6", 300 pounds and has the speed and agility of a linebacker....Can throw a football almost 80 yards effortlessly (was a high school QB)....Word at Nebraska is he's so scary looking, regular students are terrified of him. When the the JI draft guru's were micro-analayzing Carriker and putting foolish thoughts in Bitonti's head (Carikker sucks, based on 1 average game), I stepped in and told him don't doubt this freak, until he workouts poorly (which won't happen).... As Jetmoses once alluded to: Prospects that don't have "cool names" are sometimes shunned by the average fan.... Maybe if Carriker changed his name to Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila or Darnell Bing, he'd be a lock top 5 pick in mock drafts .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 The Notre dame players there are questionable and I like Notre Dame R44 speaks -people pay attention to him on college prospects- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Carriker is a good DE prospect and we can probably get him in the 2nd round. Trade up for Quinn or Branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Word at Nebraska is he's so scary looking, regular students are terrified of him. I don't blame them. And I agree with you; Carriker has to be a big-time priority for us. He's a good value (probable 2nd rounder, although there's a good chance he jumps up after the combine), and he would be a perfect fit at DE...especially since Kimo is most likely gone after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Thanks faba.... dbateman, I take pride in the fact that at DD.com we don't pretend to be scouts -- we aren't locking ourselves in a room, watching 100 hrs. of tapes a week. Instead, we try to accumulate info from N.F.L. scouts, elite college coaches, Gi Brandt types, ect. and go forward. Here is the info we got in 2005: Carriker was projected by the N.F.L.'s DRAFT ADVISORY PANEL as a borderline 1st to 2nd round pick in 2005....They told him in 2005, if he stayed in school, he'd be an almost virtual lock as a #1 pick after his senior season. Those were the facts, reported by Nebraska papers.... So, I agree with you. He's a very viable candidate for the Jets. I'd love to see the Jets draft him, but as Bitonti has said, he may not make it to the Jets pick. As Jetmoses once said (after JN's fans were livid of Eric Smith being drafted in round 3), players that don't have "cool names" get little slack from some fans -- particularly the high school and college crowd, looking for posterboys. Adam Carriker sounds like a accountant, so he can't be worth a first pick, right? Per our info, unless he totally humilaites himself at the Combine, he's a first round lock -- may be a better athlete than Gaines Adams, except with a less cool name . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I don't care who we get actually. I just don't want to reach because they are a good guy or football smart. If they can play and have good character lets draft them. No more Schegal types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemens&theJets Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 i would draft a DT that high. i mean what is wrong with D-ROB?? But if we did draft him than we could move D-ROB to RE and that may work well. But who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I don't care who we get actually. I just don't want to reach because they are a good guy or football smart. If they can play and have good character lets draft them. No more Schegal types. I didn't hate the Schlegal pick, but I had predicted Eric Smith as an early 4th rounder and Schlegal as a 6th rounder, so while I disagreed with most that Smith was a reach, I agreed that Schlegal "might be" a reach. You hate to give up on Schlegal, but maybe he is bust? Particularly at the age of 25 or 26, already. Here's the good news, however: Look back at all the good/great drafts in history, there is always going to be 1 bad pick or 2....it just happens, no matter how well you scout. Here's the key: You either need to have extra picks in the drafts (like the Jets had) or make good in the latter rounds or undrafted free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I didn't hate the Schlegal pick, but I had predicted Eric Smith as an early 4th rounder and Schlegal as a 6th rounder, so while I disagreed with most that Smith was a reach, I agreed that Schlegal "might be" a reach. You hate to give up on Schlegal, but maybe he is bust? Particularly at the age of 25 or 26, already. Here's the good news, however: Look back at all the good/great drafts in history, there is always going to be 1 bad pick or 2....it just happens, no matter how well you scout. Here's the key: You either need to have extra picks in the drafts (like the Jets had) or make good in the latter rounds or undrafted free agents. I'm not giving up on Schlegal yet. It ussually takes some time for a rookie LB to get acclimated with this defense. Even first round picks ussually only play in specific situations. But hey even if he is a lifetime contributer on ST - that is not a bust, not for where he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I'm not giving up on Schlegal yet. It ussually takes some time for a rookie LB to get acclimated with this defense. Even first round picks ussually only play in specific situations. But hey even if he is a lifetime contributer on ST - that is not a bust, not for where he was drafted. That's a great point RSherry....Sometimes I see fans on message boards attack coaches and teams like pitbulls for missing on 5th and 6th rounds picks. I'm like, are freaking joking? Don't they realize the vast majority of players picked between the 4th and 7th rounds are out of football after a few seasons. Top 3 rounds, you look for starters....4th to 5th round you hope for starters, expect special teams help....the last 2 rounds, you just roll the dice. Schelgal was one of the last picks in the 3rd round, so he's a borderline player....You can hope a player drafted in that spot is a starter, but can't expect it. With the 2 offensive lineman in round one, plus Eric Smith, Drew Coleman, Brad Smith and ESPECIALLY Leon Washington aboard, the Jets look like they had an excellent draft If players like Clemens and Schlegal come around, the draft class is just that much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 If we picked Quinton Pitcock in round 1 and the next 2 picks were Levi Brown and Marshawn Lynch, I'd absolutely lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 R44 - What are your hearing about Marshawn Lynch? I'm personally scared of this guy because of JJ Arrington and Aarron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 RSHerry I agree, to a degree, about the Tedford factor. For example, his backup Justin Forsett got almost no DI-A offers. He was seen as a I-AA prospect.....But as a favor to his high school coach -- former All-Pro NFL TE Mike Barber -- he got a scholarship to Cal. Forsett, in Cal's system, is a star. So is Lynch a great player, or a system player? The only info we got, is Lynch is leaning strongly towards leaving early because he comes from a bad economic sitution.....Regarding next season, he's been quoted as saying "they (Cal) will do fine"....meaning he's probably gone. "Cal insiders" think he'll be a high pick, but won't talk on the record. He's got a lot of talent, but NFL scouts really have to break him down a lot. A lot of backs can excel in that spread offense. If Forsett can, a lot could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 R44, what do you think of Tyrone MOss? While not as talented as Gore I think he is going to be a nice find for a team in the mid roundS. He has talent but couldnt really shine behind some putrid Hurricane OLINES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 I'm not giving up on him, look at Bryan Thomas. Sometimes it just takes the right scheme and motivation. However, as of right now he should be at least on the st unit, so for me he is currently a bust. That doesn't mean he can't change. I don't want Pit**** or Lynch. Pit**** is another version of D-rob and Lynch makes me nervous. There are going to be some good cb, wr, and de around in the 20's. I would go for the highest rated guy. Probably cb or de. Second round I take Bush with the Redskins pick if he is there, with our second 2nd round pick a lot of people are talking about a te. But, I like to go get an og. Baker is doing a nice job. Not great but next year it looks like he will get some more touches. What is our current fb situation looking like? You guys think askew is going to stay??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsnts725 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 take lynch or bush at that pick or wait for steve slaton in the 2008 draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 R44, what do you think of Tyrone MOss? While not as talented as Gore I think he is going to be a nice find for a team in the mid roundS. He has talent but couldnt really shine behind some putrid Hurricane OLINES. Jetman, Moss is a good one....I had him ranked real high coming into the season....But the injury has forced him to lose momentum -- hence the Senior Bowl snub. I think, as always, there are a small group of RB's that are just awesome prospects...after that there is a large pool of mid-rounders (i.e Leon Washington, who I thought was awesome at F.S.U. in 2004) that can acheive a lot if given a solid shot to run the ball. Moss is in that group with Tony Hunt, Deshawn Wynn, Selvin Young, Brian Leonard, ect. Here's a nice article I recently blogged at DD.com: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/orl-um2506dec25,0,22960.story?coll=orl-sports-headlines-college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 That's a great point RSherry....Sometimes I see fans on message boards attack coaches and teams like pitbulls for missing on 5th and 6th rounds picks. I'm like, are freaking joking? Don't they realize the vast majority of players picked between the 4th and 7th rounds are out of football after a few seasons. Top 3 rounds, you look for starters....4th to 5th round you hope for starters, expect special teams help....the last 2 rounds, you just roll the dice. Schelgal was one of the last picks in the 3rd round, so he's a borderline player....You can hope a player drafted in that spot is a starter, but can't expect it. With the 2 offensive lineman in round one, plus Eric Smith, Drew Coleman, Brad Smith and ESPECIALLY Leon Washington aboard, the Jets look like they had an excellent draft If players like Clemens and Schlegal come around, the draft class is just that much better. never been a big fan of drafting the MiddleLB that had had 2 AllAmerica OoutsideLBs on his flank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Wow surprised how high he has ND's wr and safety going. I am an ND fan and did not think they would go that high Agreed. I'd be suprised to see Ziboski go before the 3rd. He's a nice palyer and has all that intagible stuff, but I cannot see a team taking any safety that early. He's not close to talented as Reed or Polamalu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman1 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 If we picked Quinton Pitcock in round 1 and the next 2 picks were Levi Brown and Marshawn Lynch, I'd absolutely lose it. I agree!I would love to see Levi Brown at right tackle for the Jets.We would definitely have a running game if that happens.He's pretty good in pass protection too,especially at RT and can fill in at LT in a pinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 that guy is an idiot. first pit**** is not a 3-4 NT. second we need a running back and we have enough picks to trade up to get adrian peterson. three picks in just first 2 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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