Gainzo Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Why single out that play? I'm pretty much pissed at Kassell for 2006. I only watched 5 Jets games last year. The 3 against the Pats plus the Colts and 2nd Dolphins game. Has Kassell been cut yet? He stinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 I'm quite surprised that you hate Chad despite believing he was behind our inventive playcalling this year. Inventive playcalling or inventive formations and shifts and offensive system? From what I understand, Schott gives Pennington a few plays to choose from and Pennington chooses one and can audible at the line. Not sure if they allow Pennington to choose the plays before he goes to the line or they allow him to choose the different audibles at the line on the call that was dictated by Schott.........either way Pennington has alot of freedom at the line of scrimmage to call his own plays. The different formations, shifts and the past paced tempo of our no huddle offense masked the deficiences of our offensive personnel. Chad included. Chad seemed to do a solid job calling the plays, but executing it was another issue. 17 TDs to 20 turnovers (16 INTs) doesnt exactly put a feather in Chads cap. jmo. Chad would be a great backup QB if his ego could take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 i'm too tired to read 8 pages and what the hell was brian schotenhiemer doin. Its only 3 if you change your setting to 40 posts per page SHotty was giving chad an entire gameplan of plays to use in certain situations... he draws the plays up during the week and Chad calls them and gets them done on Sunday... thats why he was in the no huddle so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I understand how the play is meant to work as the Pats have been running the same play since 2001. Chad didn't make the correct read at the line of scrimmage and decided to run the called play. He should have called an audible or thrown the ball into the stands. Nothing ticks me off more than QB's making boneheaded plays on 1st down. Again I don't think the line of scrimmage deserved an audible,the only reason the play was battered down was because Colvin actually jumped andgot his hands in the air not because he was line up on the outside.Even if he was lined up on D'Brick,the play could of still been broken up if Colvin jumped and got his hands. And come on,no team moves guys about and fakes what they are doing on a play than the pats.If you're going to change your play because a guy is showing rush then you would be audibling every playat the line of scrimmage against the pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Again I don't think the line of scrimmage deserved an audible,the only reason the play was battered down was because Colvin actually jumped andgot his hands in the air not because he was line up on the outside.Even if he was lined up on D'Brick,the play could of still been broken up if Colvin jumped and got his hands. And come on,no team moves guys about and fakes what they are doing on a play than the pats.If you're going to change your play because a guy is showing rush then you would be audibling every playat the line of scrimmage against the pats. Great point Ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I only watched 5 Jets games last year. The 3 against the Pats plus the Colts and 2nd Dolphins game. Has Kassell been cut yet? He stinks! One of the few things that scare me about the new regime is that he's been described as "a Mangini guy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Its only 3 if you change your setting to 40 posts per page SHotty was giving chad an entire gameplan of plays to use in certain situations... he draws the plays up during the week and Chad calls them and gets them done on Sunday... thats why he was in the no huddle so much. aactully schotty gives him 2 or 3 play per drive and they keep changing formations to confuse the defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Inventive playcalling or inventive formations and shifts and offensive system? From what I understand, Schott gives Pennington a few plays to choose from and Pennington chooses one and can audible at the line. Not sure if they allow Pennington to choose the plays before he goes to the line or they allow him to choose the different audibles at the line on the call that was dictated by Schott.........either way Pennington has alot of freedom at the line of scrimmage to call his own plays. The different formations, shifts and the past paced tempo of our no huddle offense masked the deficiences of our offensive personnel. Chad included. Chad seemed to do a solid job calling the plays, but executing it was another issue. 17 TDs to 20 turnovers (16 INTs) doesnt exactly put a feather in Chads cap. jmo. Chad would be a great backup QB if his ego could take it. If he does call his own plays then you have to expect that there are going to be some bad calls,calling Chad out for the bad play alls where our play calling has been very good is like calling out A QB for throwing an incomplete pass or a batter not hitting a pitch,no-one goes 100%. Either way it should be a none issue in terms of who is to blame,we can think and reckon all we want but none of us actually know who calls the plays.Like I said before though,this is a risky play to run and Colvin knew to get his hands up,I do believe we ran this play one too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 One of the few things that scare me about the new regime is that he's been described as "a Mangini guy." Just like Matt "I won a Super Bowl with the Pats" Chatham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 3, 2007 Author Share Posted April 3, 2007 If he does call his own plays then you have to expect that there are going to be some bad calls,calling Chad out for the bad play alls where our play calling has been very good is like calling out A QB for throwing an incomplete pass or a batter not hitting a pitch,no-one goes 100%. Either way it should be a none issue in terms of who is to blame,we can think and reckon all we want but none of us actually know who calls the plays.Like I said before though,this is a risky play to run and Colvin knew to get his hands up,I do believe we ran this play one too many times. No doubt about that. It was actually the 2nd time we attempted to run this play, the first was successful. Stupid decision to run that play, whoevers decision that was I'm not sure, but I do believe Chad gets the final say at the LOS. I'm all tapped out right now. I need to go recharge my chad hating energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I only watched 5 Jets games last year. The 3 against the Pats plus the Colts and 2nd Dolphins game. Has Kassell been cut yet? He stinks! Kassell did a solid job against the pats in the first game,he didn't make any big plays but he could at least take on a guard unlike Vilma and Barton,he did a good job of stuffing a hole on a few run plays in that game. He's a guy who I plan to keep an eye as I suspect he wasn't as bad as most people say,you know how jet fans tend to over react to players who we sign in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Kassell did a solid job against the pats in the first game,he didn't make any big plays but he could at least take on a guard unlike Vilma and Barton,he did a good job of stuffing a hole on a few run plays in that game. He's a guy who I plan to keep an eye as I suspect he wasn't as bad as most people say,you know how jet fans tend to over react to players who we sign in free agency. My lasting memory of Kassell was his decision to bite on the play-action pass with 2 seconds left in the 1st half of the playoff game. There was no way in the world that the Pats were going to run on that play as they had no timeouts left. I didn't see his body of work for the season so my opinion is obviously one-sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 No doubt about that. It was actually the 2nd time we attempted to run this play, the first was successful. Stupid decision to run that play, whoevers decision that was I'm not sure, but I do believe Chad gets the final say at the LOS. I'm all tapped out right now. I need to go recharge my chad hating energy. I wouldn't say it was stupid to call that lay again but I would say we pushed our luck too far,it's a clever little play when you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 My lasting memory of Kassell was his decision to bite on the play-action pass with 2 seconds left in the 1st half of the playoff game. There was no way in the world that the Pats were going to run on that play as they had no timeouts left. I didn't see his body of work for the season so my opinion is obviously one-sided. Indeed it was a bad play but I wasn't thrilled that he was in there in the first place,we all knew his strength was run stopping and not coverage.We should of had a different package in there imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 He's a guy who I plan to keep an eye as I suspect he wasn't as bad as most people say,you know how jet fans tend to over react to players who we sign in free agency. My lasting memory of Kassell was his decision to bite on the play-action pass with 2 seconds left in the 1st half of the playoff game. There was no way in the world that the Pats were going to run on that play as they had no timeouts left. I didn't see his body of work for the season so my opinion is obviously one-sided. Kassell may very well not be as bad as most people say. It would hard to be that bad. He is not a playmaker and made several major blunders throughout the season. Bad combo. He showed absolutely no sign of deserving a start, but I guess we did need some rotation. All in all, a guy I'd be happy to replace on the roster, but maybe not a complete horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Indeed it was a bad play but I wasn't thrilled that he was in there in the first place,we all knew his strength was run stopping and not coverage.We should of had a different package in there imo. After reading the press coverage after the game Mangini stressed to the D not to fall for the play-action fake. I guess Kassell missed that memo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Kassell may very well not be as bad as most people say. It would hard to be that bad. He is not a playmaker and made several major blunders throughout the season. Bad combo. He showed absolutely no sign of deserving a start, but I guess we did need some rotation. All in all, a guy I'd be happy to replace on the roster, but maybe not a complete horror. To be fair though,it's not as if Vilma and Barton were playmakers last year either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 After reading the press coverage after the game Mangini stressed to the D not to fall for the play-action fake. I guess Kassell missed that memo! Aye it was a horrible play by Kassel,but I do feel he gets a lot of stick which isn't all justified.I mean New England did march 80 yards in that drive,it seems unfair for only Kassel to get the blame for that TD. EDIT-I swear to god I'm not related to Kassel in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Aye it was a horrible play by Kassel,but I do feel he gets a lot of stick which isn't all justified.I mean New England did march 80 yards in that drive,it seems unfair for only Kassel to get the blame for that TD. EDIT-I swear to god I'm not related to Kassel in anyway. It's okay. Ecurb has Chad, Gibbon has Schlegel, you have Kassel. It could have been worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I swear to god I'm not related to Kassel in anyway. Right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmover Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Chad Pennington single handedly pissed away 10 points to the New England Patriots in our 37-16 loss. He also was 0 for 3 in the redzone, settling for field goals when we needed touchdowns. Not good enough. hey did i imagine that 2nd qtr 77 yd reception for td from chad to cotchery? a 3 play drive that covered 80 yds @ 14.45 game clock? chads performance was as follows (compared to brady's) chad brady 277 yds passing 200 yds passing 24-41 comp/att 22-34 comp/att 6.3 average yds per pass 5.7 average yds per pass 1 passing td 2 passing td 3-22 sack yds lost 1-12 sack yds lost 1 pass intercepted 0 pass intercepted the other turn over was ruled a fumble. with the exception of the pick (chad) and the 3 sacks (o line) chads performance was not that bad, i wonder what the outcome could of been without those sacks? to me the game seems to be a team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 hey did i imagine that 2nd qtr 77 yd reception for td from chad to cotchery? a 3 play drive that covered 80 yds @ 14.45 game clock? chads performance was as follows (compared to brady's) chad brady 277 yds passing 200 yds passing 24-41 comp/att 22-34 comp/att 6.3 average yds per pass 5.7 average yds per pass 1 passing td 2 passing td 3-22 sack yds lost 1-12 sack yds lost 1 pass intercepted 0 pass intercepted the other turn over was ruled a fumble. with the exception of the pick (chad) and the 3 sacks (o line) chads performance was not that bad, i wonder what the outcome could of been without those sacks? to me the game seems to be a team sport. You do realize that the 77 yard pass to Cotchery went about 15 yards in the air. The bottom line is that Brady threw 2 TD's with no picks while Chad threw 1 TD with a pick (for 6 the other way) and also turned it over on a boneheaded play. Sacks? Are you kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_blood Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Are Mangini guys the same thing Herm's favorites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 There was no bright spot. We got handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Are Mangini guys the same thing Herm's favorites? herms favorites screw the cap while mangini guys are pretty cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Alot of good points on both sides.. Gainzo though hits it pretty much on the head with Vilma and Cassell. If Vilma goes for the kill instead of the strip who know what happens. It is a peeve of mine that too many guys are go for the strip instead of the tackle. Vilma had Brady dead in his sights and should have blasted him into the third row. Cassell same thing. No time outs why are you biting on a fake ? Alot of mistakes from a team that couldn't afford to make any mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Alot of good points on both sides.. Gainzo though hits it pretty much on the head with Vilma and Cassell. If Vilma goes for the kill instead of the strip who know what happens. It is a peeve of mine that too many guys are go for the strip instead of the tackle. Vilma had Brady dead in his sights and should have blasted him into the third row. Cassell same thing. No time outs why are you biting on a fake ? Alot of mistakes from a team that couldn't afford to make any mistakes. I know Vilma is a proud guy and he must still be kicking himself over that play. He had a clear run at Brady and decided to go for the strip instead of knocking Brady into next week. If he ever does an internet chat I'm sure he would agree with me if anyone asked that question. Kassel? That was just a bad play. At least Vilma tried to make something happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmover Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Chad Pennington single handedly pissed away 10 points to the New England Patriots in our 37-16 loss. He also was 0 for 3 in the redzone, settling for field goals when we needed touchdowns. Not good enough. You do realize that the 77 yard pass to Cotchery went about 15 yards in the air. The bottom line is that Brady threw 2 TD's with no picks while Chad threw 1 TD with a pick (for 6 the other way) and also turned it over on a boneheaded play. Sacks? Are you kidding me? yes i realize the 77 yard was total yard passed and ran, i was pointing out that he did have a td, people spew opinions as facts in arguements, it just wasnt chad that cost us the game as other points have been made (vima). i expect the upcoming season to be greatly improved from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Chad Pennington single handedly pissed away 10 points to the New England Patriots in our 37-16 loss. He also was 0 for 3 in the redzone, settling for field goals when we needed touchdowns. Not good enough. Barton How the FUCCCK can you pin the loss of the game on Chad when you have ZERO running game that day Wake the fucccck up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Barton How the FUCCCK can you pin the loss of the game on Chad when you have ZERO running game that day Wake the fucccck up Because thats what great QB's do, win when the chips are down. We didn't have a running game all season. Didn't stop the Jets from being a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 Barton How the FUCCCK can you pin the loss of the game on Chad when you have ZERO running game that day Wake the fucccck up Teams take away your running game first and foremost in the playoffs, and unless you have Ladanian Tomlinson, the running game wont be a big time factor. You need to throw the ball to win in the playoffs. Even the 2004 pittsburgh steelers threw the ball to win in the playoffs. They set up their running game by throwing the ball, not vica versa. We need a QB who can do these things. Chad isnt capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmover Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Teams take away your running game first and foremost in the playoffs, and unless you have Ladanian Tomlinson, the running game wont be a big time factor. You need to throw the ball to win in the playoffs. Even the 2004 pittsburgh steelers threw the ball to win in the playoffs. They set up their running game by throwing the ball, not vica versa. We need a QB who can do these things. Chad isnt capable. are you kidding? teams only throw to set up the run? a team has a running game with the help o a strong o line that gets a push off the line and creates the smallest of creases for a capable running back. the oppsing team will try to shut down the running game. bottom line the opposing team has to account and respect the running game, which teams last year did not have to do against us, sure you can pass to open up some running plays and vise versa, but both sides have to be balanced to be truly effective. teams that can do that are usually successfull. with pissing in the wind run attack we had last year, it just blows my mind so many people dump on the qb, and not realize how much he helped the team go so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Teams take away your running game first and foremost in the playoffs, and unless you have Ladanian Tomlinson, the running game wont be a big time factor. You need to throw the ball to win in the playoffs. Even the 2004 pittsburgh steelers threw the ball to win in the playoffs. They set up their running game by throwing the ball, not vica versa. We need a QB who can do these things. Chad isnt capable. If it were that simple, teams would just "stop the running game" during the regular season. The Jets couldn't run the ball in the playoffs because they couldn't run the ball all year. If we had a running game that forced the Pats to switch their D to stop it your point might have some merit, but they did nothing special to stop our running game. Chad had nothing to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 You do realize that any ball thrown parallel to the LOS would be a fumble right? Regardless if its in front or behind the LOS, it's still a fumble if parallel. . raffyD, I hate to be the one to break it to you but You are absolutely Dead Wrong. If that pass was in front of the line of scrimmage and it was batted down it would have been an incomplete pass, nothing more. And the Jets would have still retained possession of the ball, it would have been 2nd and 10 on the 48. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Barton How the FUCCCK can you pin the loss of the game on Chad when you have ZERO running game that day Wake the fucccck up Because he's being objective, not a blind Chad loyalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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