PatriotReign37 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Nobody gameplans for the Pats by focusing on Welker. If they did, Moss would have about 10-15 catches for 300 yards and 4 TDs a game. The Saints did. Lost of teams try to stop him but cant cover him. Welker is better than Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 The Saints did. Lost of teams try to stop him but cant cover him. Welker is better than Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I've been trying to think of the great WR who plays essentially by himself and still puts up numbers and I can't think of any. You just have to give Welker his due--the guy goes out and dominates most of the guys they put in front of him. 100 grabs for 1000+ yards doesnt just happen to average players unless you're running some run and shoot garbage. Nobody saying he's not a good WR. Nobody isnt giving him his due. He's impressive. He's got sure hands and he's a good player. But the thought that he is better than Randy Moss is moronic. He's not an elite WR. There are at least 15-20 WR's that I'd take over Welker in a heartbeat This thread goes a 1,000 different directions, but the my stance is....Wes Welker is a good WR, not elite, who benefits from playing with the biggest game breaking threat the league has ever seen. He is not better than Randy Moss. Randy Moss makes Wes Welker. Its simple, logical, and accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 There are at least 15-20 WR's that I'd take over Welker in a heartbeat Go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Nobody saying he's not a good WR. Nobody isnt giving him his due. He's impressive. He's got sure hands and he's a good player. But the thought that he is better than Randy Moss is moronic. He's not an elite WR. There are at least 15-20 WR's that I'd take over Welker in a heartbeat This thread goes a 1,000 different directions, but the my stance is....Wes Welker is a good WR, not elite, who benefits from playing with the biggest game breaking threat the league has ever seen. He is not better than Randy Moss. Randy Moss makes Wes Welker. Its simple, logical, and accurate. you watch Moss play the last few weeks JiF? Welker is better and cares more these days-and it's all about right now in the NFL. Nobody cares that Moss'll be a HoFer (which he WILL be) right now Welker is playing harder, Brady TRUSTS him more and Welker seems to care more-he's the #1 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Go. Off the top of my head...if I had to pick a WR, I'd take everyone of these guys over Welker. Randy Moss Larry Fitgerald Andre Johnson Reggie Wayne Greg Jennings Calvin Johnson Marques Colston Steve Smith (both) Roddy White Terrell Owens Anquan Boldin Dwayne Bowe Santonio Holmes Brandon Marshall Chad OchoCinco Desean Jackson Sidney Rice Jerricho Cotchery Hines Ward Donald Driver TJ Housh There's a lot more, but I'm drawing a blank...I need to look at a list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 you watch Moss play the last few weeks JiF? Welker is better and cares more these days-and it's all about right now in the NFL. Nobody cares that Moss'll be a HoFer (which he WILL be) right now Welker is playing harder, Brady TRUSTS him more and Welker seems to care more-he's the #1 guy. Again, teams try to shut down Moss while they let Welker roam free. Moss makes Wes Welker who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 The Saints did. Lost of teams try to stop him but cant cover him. Welker is better than Moss. Retard, you ever think the Saints had the personell to stop Welker? While other teams dont? They shut down Moss and Welker. Man, why didnt teams just copy what the Giants did to stop the Patriots in 2007? It was that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Off the top of my head...if I had to pick a WR, I'd take everyone of these guys over Welker. Randy Moss Larry Fitgerald Andre Johnson Reggie Wayne Greg Jennings Calvin Johnson Marques Colston Steve Smith (both) Roddy White Terrell Owens Anquan Boldin Dwayne Bowe Santonio Holmes Brandon Marshall Chad OchoCinco Desean Jackson Sidney Rice Jerricho Cotchery Hines Ward Donald Driver TJ Housh There's a lot more, but I'm drawing a blank...I need to look at a list. Vincent Jackson? Miles Austin? Maybe.. just maybe.. but aten likes small ball.. maybe he'll reject many of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Vincent Jackson? Abso****inglutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Vincent Jackson? Miles Austin? It's funny because those are two of the eight or nine on his list that I wouldn't necessarily disagree with. Cotchery is better than about a dozen of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 It's funny because those are two of the eight or nine on his list that I wouldn't necessarily disagree with. Cotchery is better than about a dozen of those guys. I think Meachem deserves to have his name thrown out there. It still may be a bit early but he's at least earned a nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Retard, you ever think the Saints had the personell to stop Welker? While other teams dont? They shut down Moss and Welker. Man, why didnt teams just copy what the Giants did to stop the Patriots in 2007? It was that easy. Yo Douchebag. I was rebutting Kleckos claim that Teams dont gameplan to stop Welker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I think Meachem deserves to have his name thrown out there. It still may be a bit early but he's at least earned a nod. It's definitely too early on Meachem. Given usage I don't think it's a stretch to say that catch rate is totally unsustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yo Douchebag. I was rebutting Kleckos claim that Teams dont gameplan to stop Welker. Teams gameplan to shut down players. Welker is never the other teams #1 priority because Randy Moss is a much more dangerous player than Welker is. Retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 It's definitely too early on Meachem. Given usage I don't think it's a stretch to say that catch rate is totally unsustainable. I don't know, I've caught most of the past few NO games and he deserves his share of the credit he's gotten. He put a double move on Landry in the Washington game that maybe 7-8 other guys in the league would have been able to get away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Vincent Jackson? Miles Austin? Maybe.. just maybe.. but aten likes small ball.. maybe he'll reject many of those Like I said, I was just naming of the top of my head, but yes the 2 you mentioned are much better...and I'm sure there's many more...a couple of rising stars that I'd take over him....Harvin, Sims-Walker, Britt, Hicks...there's a bunch. Again, he's a good player not elite, not even top 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I don't know, I've caught most of the past few NO games and he deserves his share of the credit he's gotten. He put a double move on Landry in the Washington game that maybe 7-8 other guys in the league would have been able to get away with. More like 7-8 guys on the board. Landry couldn't cover rock with paper the way he's playing this year. Of course Meachem is good, but he has the same peripheral advantages as Welker and hasn't been producing for as long. Putting him ahead at this point is the classic rush to judgment before the sample size gets meaningful move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Putting him ahead at this point is the classic rush to judgment before the sample size gets meaningful move. Good God man, I said he deserves a nod. There's no need to sh-t the sandbox just because Chan is the only back you've got on your Sanchez argument elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Good God man, I said he deserves a nod. There's no need to sh-t the sandbox just because Chan is the only back you've got on your Sanchez argument elsewhere. there's 2 kinds of people in this world.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 there's 2 kinds of people in this world.. Alright, this is either from the Pulp Fiction DVD extras or What About Bob? I'm not sure given the verbiage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Robert Kraft, Patriots owner: Rapoport of the Boston Herald. "He's made a great contribution to this team. Wes Welker has been great and productive, but he's been fortunate to have Randy on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGAW Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Robert Kraft, Patriots owner: lol... I can't recall if they ever got his contract restructured? If not, I think he's stuck til 2012 but I hope to God he walks away from this team for bigger and better things in his career... You know, like Superbowl wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Teams gameplan to shut down players. Welker is never the other teams #1 priority because Randy Moss is a much more dangerous player than Welker is. Retard. You Moron. The Jets played Moss in single coverage the majority of the time. That left the rest of the secondary to stop NE's only other receiving option in Welker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 lol... I can't recall if they ever got his contract restructured? If not, I think he's stuck til 2012 but I hope to God he walks away from this team for bigger and better things in his career... You know, like Superbowl wins Well, that means he wont be playing for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGAW Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You Moron. The Jets played Moss in single coverage the majority of the time. That left the rest of the secondary to stop NE's only other receiving option in Welker. The Jets are 1 of 4 or 5 teams who can do that in the NFL... I don't think that was his point... Welker runs on the scheme more than his ability... The Pasts scheme very well... That hasn't changed... The playmakers have though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGAW Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Well, that means he wont be playing for the Jets. Of course not... No way the Jets are perennial favorites in the next decade... That's about as likely as the Pasts repeating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) The Jets are 1 of 4 or 5 teams who can do that in the NFL... I don't think that was his point... Welker runs on the scheme more than his ability... The Pasts scheme very well... That hasn't changed... The playmakers have though... You could not be more wrong about Welkers ability and the NE scheming is total crap. They arent that type of team anymore. Obrien sucks as OC. If they were, it would not be so hard to score points in the 2nd halves of games. Edited December 17, 2009 by PatriotReign37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Of course not... No way the Jets are perennial favorites in the next decade... That's about as likely as the Pasts repeating NE will be back at the big dance sooner than later but, you can still dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You could not be more wrong about Welkers ability and the NE scheming is total crap. They arent that type of team anymore. Obrien sucks as OC. If they were, it would not be so hard to score points in the 2nd halves of games. But if Wes Welker is so great, how come he doesn't just take over games and score touchdowns at will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 But if Wes Welker is so great, how come he doesn't just take over games and score touchdowns at will? Second year in a row Welker (not Moss) has made the pro-bowl. Maybe it is just Jets fans who can't appreciate that he is an outstanding WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Wes Welker voted into the pro bowl - seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Doesnt Moss lead the league in TD receptions? Now were using the pro bowl for this argument? Ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Wes Welker voted into the pro bowl - seriously. I'm honorary pats fan this week, gotta side with Garby. Seriously tho, there's enough evidence to support him being great by now. Dude is ALWAYS open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Doesnt Moss lead the league in TD receptions? Now were using the pro bowl for this argument? Ha. Can we agree that he's one of the 50 or so best players in the NFL at least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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