Favorite_Toon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Jets love Long Howie's Kid right. Or maybe Matt Ryan... Long would be nice but the Jets need McFadden more. Those two are the only ones I would accept and be happy with.. Long or Mcfadden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 DARRENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnn MCFADDENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I can't see that trade happening unless we really love Long. Who even then may still be off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 we don't need him we should trade for reggie bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Long would be nice but the Jets need McFadden more. mcfadden has had 2 bar incidents and a brewing agent scandal i agree they need playmakers but let's be real DMC is probably not even on Mangini's board because he's not a boy scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 If I had told you at the end of 2005, after Vilma made the pro bowl and led the NFL in tackles his second season in the league, that two years later the Jets would be using him as trade bait for a 3rd round pick? You would have f_cking laughed. The pain. If the Jets don't go 9-7 or better next year I want this entire regime thrown out. Not that Woody even cares. Clearly it is Tanginis fault that Vilma got injured and his trade value has gone south. Duh. And why dont you wait till they actually trade him for a 3rd rd pick before you b##ch and moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 i'd rather trade vilma for a 2nd and stay at 6. I agree, unless the person at #2 could make a huge impact right away? I don't think anyone in this draft can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 i'm surprised so many people want a QB. I liked Kellen's intangibles and am looking forward to him playing this year. I guess i'd rather not have the second pick, i'd rather keep our six and get a second. Moving up is the wrong direction in this particular draft. If you want to move down #2 might be a lot better spot to be sitting. Anybody that falls in love will probably be looking for somebody likely to be gone by 6 (Long, Ryan, McFadden). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 mcfadden has had 2 bar incidents and a brewing agent scandal i agree they need playmakers but let's be real DMC is probably not even on Mangini's board because he's not a boy scout. If they are really going to operate like that they will never win anything so it doesn't matter who they draft. The smart tough hardworking piece of crap get REALLY old REALLY fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I agree, unless the person at #2 could make a huge impact right away? I don't think anyone in this draft can! Honestly I think Long can be a playmaker today in the 34, our version of Mike Vrabel only better. The kids got a nonstop motorm can rush the passer, and has decent pass coverage skills from what I have seen. If they trade up to #2, they have to take him, anyone else wouldnt be worth the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Honestly I think Long can be a playmaker today in the 34, our version of Mike Vrabel only better. The kids got a nonstop motorm can rush the passer, and has decent pass coverage skills from what I have seen. If they trade up to #2, they have to take him, anyone else wouldnt be worth the pick. He plays a completely different position than Vrabel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 If you want to move down #2 might be a lot better spot to be sitting. Anybody that falls in love will probably be looking for somebody likely to be gone by 6 (Long, Ryan, McFadden). Mcfadden will be there at 6... barring any trades... who needs him? Dolphins Ronnie Brown Rams Steven jackson Falcons could.. but probaly sign foster and draft Matt Ryan Raiders? Resigned fargus for three years.... and need a NT to replace sapp.. ellis or dorsey KC They have Larry Johnson.. they need an o-linman badly jake long makes sense Jets Mcfadden Pats Gholsten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 vilma plus 6 for Chris Long would be a sweet deal. Chris Long was tailor made for this team and this defense. He may be, and this team has tons of holes to fill... BUT WE NEED OFFENSE. The offensive unit is light years behind the Defensive unit, and that's saying a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOExcusesNYJ Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 If they are really going to operate like that they will never win anything so it doesn't matter who they draft. The smart tough hardworking piece of crap get REALLY old REALLY fast. i agree. i am so sick of hearing "mangini guys" and "good character". win some games and you wont have any problems. this current regime really does make me sick. it's clear that the jets don;t know how to build a franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 vilma plus 6 for Chris Long would be a sweet deal. Chris Long was tailor made for this team and this defense. If the Jets are targeting Chris Long then it will have to be a draft day deal because he could easily go to Miami. In fact, I believe Miami will pick Long if they cant trade out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Bitonti I hear what you are saying but at some point the Jets are going to have to change that stance a bit. This team needs playmakers desperately. Not saying I want McFadden would prefer Long but this team captain stuff only takes you so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He plays a completely different position than Vrabel. He played as a 34 end in college, but I have heard him project, due to his size, to be more of a 34 LB, like Vrabel. He can still be a dominant 34 end I think though, people knock his size but there are a few 34 ends around the league that are close to the same size as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 SoFla I am with you and agree. I am not worried about the lack of rumors with the Jets other than grandpa thomas but once FA starts it would be nice to see an aggressive nature and direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 If you want to move down #2 might be a lot better spot to be sitting. Anybody that falls in love will probably be looking for somebody likely to be gone by 6 (Long, Ryan, McFadden). Bitonti I hear what you are saying but at some point the Jets are going to have to change that stance a bit. This team needs playmakers desperately. Not saying I want McFadden would prefer Long but this team captain stuff only takes you so far Yeah just like the pats... they wanted all choir boys... meanwhile when they needed a position to upgrade they signed everyone... including one of the biggest troublemakers... Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He played as a 34 end in college, but I have heard him project, due to his size, to be more of a 34 LB, like Vrabel. He can still be a dominant 34 end I think though, people knock his size but there are a few 34 ends around the league that are close to the same size as him. I agree with you. To me, he is a 3-4 LB. Like Vrabel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 SoFla I am with you and agree. I am not worried about the lack of rumors with the Jets other than grandpa thomas but once FA starts it would be nice to see an aggressive nature and direction Yes aggressive just like the pats.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He played as a 34 end in college, but I have heard him project, due to his size, to be more of a 34 LB, like Vrabel. He can still be a dominant 34 end I think though, people knock his size but there are a few 34 ends around the league that are close to the same size as him. one thing he isn't is a 34 LB. he's not close to fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 one thing he isn't is a 34 LB. he's not close to fast enough. He doesnt ned to be...Hes a pure 3-4 defensive end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 one thing he isn't is a 34 LB. he's not close to fast enough. I agree with this. Every report says he lacks explosion off the LOS, which is exactly what a pass rushing OLB needs. If he does get drafted by us IMO he bulks up and plays DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He doesnt ned to be...Hes a pure 3-4 defensive end I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I agree with this. Every report says he lacks explosion off the LOS, which is exactly what a pass rushing OLB needs. If he does get drafted by us IMO he bulks up and plays DE. What happened the last time we drafted a linemen hoping he would bulk up? How did that turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 one thing he isn't is a 34 LB. he's not close to fast enough. Then we play him at end, probably less transition for him anyways. He bulks up ten pounds or so of muscle and he should fit right in...I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 What happened the last time we drafted a linemen hoping he would bulk up? How did that turn out? The knock on Brick was he always had trouble keeping up his weight. The only knock I have really heard on Long is he doesnt have a great timed speed (around a 48 40 i think), so we keep him on the line and let him chew up blockers like a 34 lineman is supoosed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Sure would be getting a ton of money to "hope" about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 The knock on Brick was he always had trouble keeping up his weight. The only knock I have really heard on Long is he doesnt have a great timed speed (around a 48 40 i think), so we keep him on the line and let him chew up blockers like a 34 lineman is supoosed to. He could be awesome and he still wouldn't have the impact on the team McFadden would if he works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He could be awesome and he still wouldn't have the impact on the team McFadden would if he works out. Anyway, I agree with you: I'd rather stay at #6 and get another player for Vilma. If Long slips to #6 then great, otherwise take someone else or trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 He could be awesome and he still wouldn't have the impact on the team McFadden would if he works out. Longs Pedigree is all I need..His dad is a HOFer and coaches him... He understands football and hes a great character guy..I know our coach needs that to take a player so he fits everything mangini needs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOExcusesNYJ Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Longs Pedigree is all I need..His dad is a HOFer and coaches him... He understands football and hes a great character guy..I know our coach needs that to take a player so he fits everything mangini needs.. its because of everything you just said that we are not successful. no one should give a **** about character. we want players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Sure would be getting a ton of money to "hope" about anything. With any draft pick you are hoping that things work out. Hoping he stays healthy Hoping he can adjust to NFL speed Hoping that the team wasnt fooled by gaudy workout numbers Hoping he wasnt the product of a system The draft is all about hoping the player you take a risk on works out for you, there are no guarantees in the Draft, all a high draft pick means is that there is slightly better chance that the player will turn out to be something special, but at the same time more risk of it blowing up in your face if it doesnt work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 If, and that's a big IF this deal goes down, there is ONE MAJOR PROBLEM Tuna...he holds the cards and probably likes the same player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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