Chad sucks!

[kelticwizard]

I can't dissect your post this morning, but suffice to say you are making a number of massive assumptions, many of which are not even reasonable ones:

- the salaries from one year to the next for an individual player are the same. You don't take into account increases from one year to another one one contract, and I don't mean an average 10% increase or whatever. I mean like when Pennington was making $1M or whatever in year 4 and then it jumped to $5M in year 5 of his rookie deal. You are assuming 2007 salaries to be the same as 2008. A lot of the highest-paid QB's just signed massive deals in the past 1-3 years. Those first 1-3 years the salary is intentionally dropped and the big money is instead given in a signing bonus. This is intentional by both parties; the team doesn't give up a giant $15-30M SB plus a $5-15M salary in year one, and for the player it provides security by back-loading the deal & getting SB money instead, so they become un-cuttable without the team taking an 8-figure dead cap hit. We went through that with Pennington after his first shoulder injury, and again after his 2nd one. We couldn't cut him because we would have had to absorb (depending on the season) a $15M or $12M dead cap hit. As it is right now we have to absorb a $6M dead cap hit ($3M in '08, $3M in '09).

But the gyst of it is you're making a massive assumption that none of the players above the 2007 $4M level and none of the players below the 2007 $4M level make as much as $4M, in addition to glossing over a rookie QB who just got a $12M/yr deal and another that got a $6M/yr deal.

I can understand that contracts are structured so that where a player ranks in terms of pay varies with his year on the contract. And that these contracts tend to leap frog each other. Nonetheless, when dealing with several dozen contracts things do tend to average out and a norm emerges. From there, you can get a good idea of what constitutes normal pay for a starting quarterback. Whether Chad's pay is actually 16th, 20th or even 25th is not so important so long as it is somewhere in the usual range for starting QB's. Which it certainly appears to be, even if allowing for the difference between 2008 and 2007, the last year for my source.

- "Clearly, what we have here is Parcells getting on the horn to Chad's agent and saying:"

- "Which means some reporters asked the Minnesota GM, "Did you contact Pennington's agent"?"

Neither of these things are assumed to be or known to be correct. As I recall, it was Pennington's agent who listed the teams that had shown interest, not the Minnesota GM. You're saying these imaginary things & conversations as though they actually happened and using these imaginary statements as a basis for an argument.

Chad's agent announced the Miami deal about 26 ot 27 hours after Chad got cut. The 24 hour offer is a common one both in and out of sports, so when you see the announcement a deal is made nearly 24 hours to the hour after an offer is made, it is a good guess that it was a 24 hour offer.

As for the Minnesota thing, are you sure that absolutely no reporters asked them about Chad? Regardless, even if Chad's agent was the source of who he had contact with, Minnesota would have good reason not to want the reporters to know if they did discuss Pennington. And if the agent is smart, he would honor the request not to name Minnesota, if indeed such request was made.

I'm not saying Minnesota necessarily did contact Pennington's agent, I'm just saying that if they did I can't imagine them wanting it to get out.

NO free agent QB speaks to only one team & that's that. Miami offered up the best deal & best possible chance at starting. Partly because Parcells wanted him (for whatever that's worth these days) but mostly because they had no one else who they could envision starting the full season.

I never said his agent only talked to one team. I only meant that Parcells' offer of a starter's salary, starter's job from Day One and the likely 24 hour limit on acceptance pretty well prevented other interested teams from increasing their offer as negotiations wore on. They either had to match or exceed Parcells' offer in 24 hours or Chad's gone to Miami. Parcells was no doubt sure this combo would bring Pennington to the Dolphins without having to pay $6M and it worked.

- Saying something worked out (for Miami) does not in any way mean there was this tremendous demand for Pennington, nor does it mean that Miami had their hearts set on Pennington. An opportunity presented itself for Parcells, and after seeing a little bit of the QB's he's got he felt that Pennington was the better option. But Parcells has made many bad QB moves in the past, even if he got lucky on a couple like Testaverde in '98 (which was more BB telling BP to bring him in) and Tony Romo. But he missed on a whole lot of others (Glenn Foley, Bledsoe with Dallas, Testaverde with Dallas, Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson, etc.). He has a track history of having an unhealthy affinity for his former players & they don't work out quite a bit (Keyshawn, Aaron Glenn, Jason Ferguson) while players he absolutely didn't want (Owens, drafting Terry Glenn, and others) but got overruled by the GM/owner, gave him instant success he never would have gone after.

I am not so sure what constitutes "tremendous demand" for a QB who got cut loose only 4 weeks before Opening Day. Daunte Culpepper and Byron Leftwich were both established starters who unable to connect with any team after being cut. I think Leftwich just signed for a minimum contract to be a backup with some team who lost a QB to injury. It's not so unusual for starters to disappear out the league under circumstances like this. At any rate, at this late date I would think that any team who did offer a starting job to Pennington-or who mentioned starting at all-would want discretion from the player's agent about what was offered if they did not land the player in question..

So to sum up, there is no way Chad Pennington is the 16th-highest paid QB. And by inference of that salary (which I think is the reason you brought it up in the first place) that he is the 16th-most "in-demand" QB in the NFL.

He may not have gotten the 16th highest contract but he certainly landed on his feet when cut a few weeks before the season in a way others in similar circumstances did not. Landing a starting job and starter's salary in just 24 hours strongly indicates that Pennington had worth his detractors denied him. And we really don't know if any other clubs offered him a starting job.

[124]

Sure we do.

We know six teams contacted his agent (Miami included) and that Kansas City, the Giants, Buffalo and Minnesota all were aquiring for a back-up role. Not sure who the other team was (New England? Detroit?) but he had at most two starting opportunties. Miami and maybe that 6th team.

He got the 2 year, $7.5-8 million deal because of his experience in the league, completion percentage and for what he can bring to the Dolphin organization. He is being paid around the norm for an NFL starter.

[NFLs StepChild]

Here is all you need to know...

[kelticwizard]

We know six teams contacted his agent (Miami included) and that Kansas City, the Giants, Buffalo and Minnesota all were aquiring for a back-up role. Not sure who the other team was (New England? Detroit?) but he had at most two starting opportunties. Miami and maybe that 6th team.

See, that's what I'm not so sure of. Since offering a starter's position or even offering starter's money for what is supposed to be a backup position is a huge vote of no confidence in your present quarterback, I would think any clubs discussing starting would request, and get, confidentiality in the negotiations. Because if they don't get Pennington, they have to start the season with a QB they just made clear was not satisfactory.

That is why I am skeptical of those denials.

[#27TheDominator]

I think Leftwich just signed for a minimum contract to be a backup with some team who lost a QB to injury.

Steelers for around $650K. Almost no signing bonus. Like $40K. They can cut him immediately for free if Batch recovers quickly.

Sure we do.

We know six teams contacted his agent (Miami included) and that Kansas City, the Giants, Buffalo and Minnesota all were aquiring for a back-up role. Not sure who the other team was (New England? Detroit?) but he had at most two starting opportunties. Miami and maybe that 6th team.

He got the 2 year, $7.5-8 million deal because of his experience in the league, completion percentage and for what he can bring to the Dolphin organization. He is being paid around the norm for an NFL starter.

Based on your list I'd say he had a chance at starting everywhere except the Giants and Pats. A very good chance everywhere except Buffalo and Detroit. Of course teams will say they are only interested as a backup, otherwise they are ****ing with their current starters head and if the deal falls through they are screwed. It's one thing for your team to say they want to replace you with Favre, but Pennington is no lock.

[Sperm Edwards]

I can understand that contracts are structured so that where a player ranks in terms of pay varies with his year on the contract. And that these contracts tend to leap frog each other. Nonetheless, when dealing with several dozen contracts things do tend to average out and a norm emerges. From there, you can get a good idea of what constitutes normal pay for a starting quarterback. Whether Chad's pay is actually 16th, 20th or even 25th is not so important so long as it is somewhere in the usual range for starting QB's. Which it certainly appears to be, even if allowing for the difference between 2008 and 2007, the last year for my source.

A lot of the bigger contracts are still in their first couple of years, when the base salary is lower. Your assumption is incorrect.

If you want to go to rotoworld and look up all the salaries of all the NFL starting QB's, and then factor in all roster bonuses and signing bonuses, and come up with average QB pay and annual QB pay for all of them, be my guest. It should probably take you about an hour or so if you're really interested.

If I'm wrong on this then I'm wrong. But I highly doubt Pennington is among the top half of starting QB's in terms of compensation.

Truth is, even if it turns out to be so (which it won't), it speaks more to Miami's desperation than to the demand for Pennington's services as starter.

He was a good choice for Miami because they don't have a legit QB with starting experience to start in until Henne or Beck (lol) step up their game to the point where they're ready for NFL defenses. They won't score points either way, but at least Chad will keep the Miami defense off the field a little longer with his dink & dunk stuff.

Chad's agent announced the Miami deal about 26 ot 27 hours after Chad got cut. The 24 hour offer is a common one both in and out of sports, so when you see the announcement a deal is made nearly 24 hours to the hour after an offer is made, it is a good guess that it was a 24 hour offer.

There is no basis for that whatsoever other than saying it because it suits an argument you're making. There isn't even so much as a rumor that there was any 24 hour, take-it-or-leave-it, now-or-never type of deal.

As for the Minnesota thing, are you sure that absolutely no reporters asked them about Chad? Regardless, even if Chad's agent was the source of who he had contact with, Minnesota would have good reason not to want the reporters to know if they did discuss Pennington. And if the agent is smart, he would honor the request not to name Minnesota, if indeed such request was made.

I'm not saying Minnesota necessarily did contact Pennington's agent, I'm just saying that if they did I can't imagine them wanting it to get out.

And since the likelihood was low that we were going to end up with Favre, and that we were most likely going to still end up going with Chad/Kellen, did the Jets want the Favre stuff to leak out? Hell no. You cannot keep a lid on stuff. At a minimum, there's always at least an unnamed source that leaks this stuff.

Minnesota did not contact the Jets about Pennington. By contrast, everyone knows they had interest in Favre.

I never said his agent only talked to one team. I only meant that Parcells' offer of a starter's salary, starter's job from Day One and the likely 24 hour limit on acceptance pretty well prevented other interested teams from increasing their offer as negotiations wore on. They either had to match or exceed Parcells' offer in 24 hours or Chad's gone to Miami. Parcells was no doubt sure this combo would bring Pennington to the Dolphins without having to pay $6M and it worked.

It prevented nothing. It doesn't take long for Chad's agent to pick up a phone & say, "We have an offer of just under $4M/yr and a legitimate shot at the starting job from Miami. Are you willing to match or top that?" Clearly the answer around the league was a resounding "No way" since he went to Miami. This doesn't take days or weeks to get a response from teams. If they want him, they want him.

I am not so sure what constitutes "tremendous demand" for a QB who got cut loose only 4 weeks before Opening Day. Daunte Culpepper and Byron Leftwich were both established starters who unable to connect with any team after being cut. I think Leftwich just signed for a minimum contract to be a backup with some team who lost a QB to injury. It's not so unusual for starters to disappear out the league under circumstances like this. At any rate, at this late date I would think that any team who did offer a starting job to Pennington-or who mentioned starting at all-would want discretion from the player's agent about what was offered if they did not land the player in question..

They may want it, but that doesn't mean they're going to get it. I'm sure the Jets wanted discretion with Kendall, Baker, Coles, etc. I'm sure Arizona wanted discretion from Fitzgerald & Boldin. I'm sure Green Bay wanted discretion from Favre & Ryan Grant. I'm sure the Chiefs wanted discretion regarding Herm Edwards. And I guarantee you Miami, with this same GM in the same off-season, wanted discretion with Calvin Pace. And none of them got it.

They can all want these things but in this day & age you cannot keep a lid on anything. From an agent's perspective, it's in the client's interest to drum up as much publicity as possible so that it creates a buzz & causes competing bids.

He may not have gotten the 16th highest contract but he certainly landed on his feet when cut a few weeks before the season in a way others in similar circumstances did not. Landing a starting job and starter's salary in just 24 hours strongly indicates that Pennington had worth his detractors denied him. And we really don't know if any other clubs offered him a starting job.

If not for the unique situation existing in Miami, where they were coming off a 1-15 season & still have no sure-thing starter for the coming season, it seems unlikely that he would have gotten a starting-job contract from any other NFL team. You may think so, but that is no more than your personal fabricated guess as to what might have happened. There's nothing that has been said from any team/agent/player sources indiciate otherwise.

See, that's what I'm not so sure of. Since offering a starter's position or even offering starter's money for what is supposed to be a backup position is a huge vote of no confidence in your present quarterback, I would think any clubs discussing starting would request, and get, confidentiality in the negotiations. Because if they don't get Pennington, they have to start the season with a QB they just made clear was not satisfactory.

That is why I am skeptical of those denials.

The Jets & Bucs made no such denials and they were in exactly that position. It is also pretty well known that Favre's first choices were to go to either Minnesota or Chicago. And since GB put into the trade clause that if the Jets were to trade Favre to those teams that we'd have to surrender 3 first round draft picks, so that concern was legitimate. THAT is the type of circumstantial evidence that suggests there was, in fact, interest from them even if the teams didn't publicize it themselves.

You are just making stuff up & then stating it as either fact or likely-fact to use as the basis for an argument. The thing is, these things are neither facts nor are they likely. They are the direct opposite of everything that was announced, and everything that was "unofficially" leaked to every media outlet.

There is no smoking gun.

It did not occur.

Chad Pennington sucks and only the NFL's sole 1-15 team had interest in him being their starting QB.

Believe it.

Embrace it.

Make love to it.

Because it is the truth.

[NJ]

Chad Pennington sucks and only the NFL's sole 1-15 team had interest in him being their starting QB.

Believe it.

Embrace it.

Make love to it.

Because it is the truth.

And I couldn't think of a better team or fanbase to live in Chadiocrity than the one hit wonder Miami Dolphins.

They asked for it -

They got it -

chad

[kelticwizard]

It prevented nothing. It doesn't take long for Chad's agent to pick up a phone & say, "We have an offer of just under $4M/yr and a legitimate shot at the starting job from Miami. Are you willing to match or top that?" Clearly the answer around the league was a resounding "No way" since he went to Miami. This doesn't take days or weeks to get a response from teams. If they want him, they want him.

Thank you. You have just beautifully illustrated how Parcell's offer WOULD serve to prevent other clubs from making offers, once they see how far up the bar was set. A club which was thinking of offering Pennington 3 million plus a legit chance to contend in the preseason for the starting position might well tell Pennington's agent to forget it when confronted with Parcell's offer. If Parcells didn't make the offer that high and a couple of these clubs got into a bidding war, Pennington might well have ended up with more than $4 million for one year at the end. But because of Parcell's offer, that war never occurs. Which is probably why Parcells miade it.

Due to Parcells' first-out-of-the-box offer, we don't really know what other clubs were willing to offer Pennington in terms of salary or starting chances. We only know that they were unwilling, at least at the beginning of negotiations, to offer him $4M plus the starter's job from day one.

If the other clubs were outbid for Pennington's starter services, it would be hard to imagine them saying anything other than they wanted him to back up the present QB. To do so would greatly undermine their current starting QB.

[Irish Jet]

This thread really needs to be given the Old Yeller treatment.

[#27TheDominator]

This thread really needs to be given the Old Yeller treatment.

I cried when Ol' Yeller got shot...

[Aqua4ever04]

And I couldn't think of a better team or fanbase to live in Chadiocrity than the one hit wonder Miami Dolphins.

They asked for it -

They got it -

chad

Wait, wait, wait.

A Jets fan calling the Dolphins a one hit wonder? One of these two teams has won just one Super Bowl and it isn't the Dolphins.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

Wait, wait, wait.

A Jets fan calling the Dolphins a one hit wonder? One of these two teams has won just one Super Bowl and it isn't the Dolphins.

Dolphags:bag: make it sound like they won the Super Bowl recently they won it in 1972 only 3 years after the Jets

[crashingjet]

Dolphags:bag: make it sound like they won the Super Bowl recently they won it in 1972 only 3 years after the Jets

Bottom line is we've won twice as many Superbowls as the Jets and we've been to the big game 3-4 more times than the Jets.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

Bottom line is we've won twice as many Superbowls as the Jets and we've been to the big game 3-4 more times than the Jets.

Shows what kind of loser Dolphags:bag: are they count their loses:puke:

[Jade Green]

Shows what kind of loser Dolphags:bag: are they count their loses:puke:

They also live in the past, their team has not even been relevent in the last 20 years.

They are a joke mickey mouse organization and the Jets own them, they're coming off a 1-15 season what else can the talk about besides the 70's.

Dolfag fans are the worst fans in all of sports, they could not even sell out playoff games way back when they were a playoff team, we own that stadium when the Jets come down south.

They talk the same sh*t every year how great they are before the season starts, and disapear 3 weeks in.

Now they even brag and post stats praising a QB that they totally ragged on for years, what a joke no wonder they get dragged trough the mud and screwed by coaches left and right.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

They also live in the past, their team has not even been relevent in the last 20 years.

They are a joke mickey mouse organization and the Jets own them, they're coming off a 1-15 season what else can the talk about besides the 70's.

Dolfag fans are the worst fans in all of sports, they could not even sell out playoff games way back when they were a playoff team, we own that stadium when the Jets come down south.

They talk the same sh*t every year how great they are before the season starts, and disapear 3 weeks in.

Now they even brag and post stats praising a QB that they totally ragged on for years, what a joke no wonder they get dragged trough the mud and screwed by coaches left and right.

I live down here with them and it is amazing unknowledgeable they are, they are a joke of fans. Look at the Dolphag fans who show up on this site just multiply it by 15,000 then you have the Dolphag:bag::bag: fan base. They can't even sell out their opener and if they do it will because of all the Jets fans who come.

[Irish Jet]

I cried when Ol' Yeller got shot...

Anyone who didn't does not have a soul.

[madmike1]

I live down here with them and it is amazing unknowledgeable they are, they are a joke of fans. Look at the Dolphag fans who show up on this site just multiply it by 15,000 then you have the Dolphag:bag::bag: fan base. They can't even sell out their opener and if they do it will because of all the Jets fans who come.

I've been to 2 jets-dolphag games in miami and the stadium is 60% jet fans.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I've been to 2 jets-dolphag games in miami and the stadium is 60% jet fans.

I wore my Brett Favre jersey into a Publix on Saturday and this genuis fan asked me do I think Favre would do well with the Jets:). I said I am just wearing his jersey because he stinks.

[SeniorFlaJet]

I live down here with them and it is amazing unknowledgeable they are, they are a joke of fans. Look at the Dolphag fans who show up on this site just multiply it by 15,000 then you have the Dolphag:bag::bag: fan base. They can't even sell out their opener and if they do it will because of all the Jets fans who come.

Unknowledgeable is an understatement. I live in north central florida which is

not really close to any of the 3 nfl teams. It's more a melting pot for all nfl teams

but if I had to say which team colors u see more I would say the Fins.

That said as you can see by my license plate i get into a few conversations with

fans of other teams. Now talking to Fin fans, and I'n referring to those who claim

to be real fans, I am amazed how many think that Parcells is the coach of the team,

or if they do know what his position is don't know who the coach is, and forget

about knowing the name of the GM.

My all time favorite is I think it was in Feb. talking to a Fin fan with the hat and t

shirt he thought Fieldler was still on the team. I had to walk away.

[crashingjet]

They also live in the past, their team has not even been relevent in the last 20 years.

They are a joke mickey mouse organization and the Jets own them, they're coming off a 1-15 season what else can the talk about besides the 70's.

Dolfag fans are the worst fans in all of sports, they could not even sell out playoff games way back when they were a playoff team, we own that stadium when the Jets come down south.

They talk the same sh*t every year how great they are before the season starts, and disapear 3 weeks in.

Now they even brag and post stats praising a QB that they totally ragged on for years, what a joke no wonder they get dragged trough the mud and screwed by coaches left and right.

The Jets have to borrow a stadium with another teams name on it and we're the joke. PFFT please.

Fact of the matter is in the last 20 years Miami has only had 4 losing seasons, the Jets have had WAY more losing seasons than us. Couple that with 1 trip to the Superbowl in the entire history of the organization. Kinda sad.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

Unknowledgeable is an understatement. I live in north central florida which is

not really close to any of the 3 nfl teams. It's more a melting pot for all nfl teams

but if I had to say which team colors u see more I would say the Fins.

That said as you can see by my license plate i get into a few conversations with

fans of other teams. Now talking to Fin fans, and I'n referring to those who claim

to be real fans, I am amazed how many think that Parcells is the coach of the team,

or if they do know what his position is don't know who the coach is, and forget

about knowing the name of the GM.

My all time favorite is I think it was in Feb. talking to a Fin fan with the hat and t

shirt he thought Fieldler was still on the team. I had to walk away.

Sounds as knowledgeable the Dolphag :bag:fans on this site

[Boynton Beach Jets]

The Jets have to borrow a stadium with another teams name on it and we're the joke. PFFT please.

Fact of the matter is in the last 20 years Miami has only had 4 losing seasons, the Jets have had WAY more losing seasons than us. Couple that with 1 trip to the Superbowl in the entire history of the organization. Kinda sad.

You can't even sell out your own stadium what bunch of losers you Dolfag :bag:fans are you deserve 1-15

[crashingjet]

Sounds as knowledgeable the Dolphag :bag:fans on this site

I found it interesting that you had a whole 2 posts on this forum before Favre was traded to the Jets, now you're here all the time. Aheemm can you say bandwagon fan.

The true posters here stick around during the 4-12 seasons, not just show up when the Jets make an exciting trade.

[Boynton Beach Jets]

I found it interesting that you had a whole 2 posts on this forum before Favre was traded to the Jets, now you're here all the time. Aheemm can you say bandwagon fan.

The true posters here stick around during the 4-12 seasons, not just show up when the Jets make an exciting trade.

I am on more frequently on another site please do not check my dedication. I have been a seson ticket holder since 1981. I do fly into NY for all Jets home from South Florida and you guys can't even make your own home games. So I do not think I qualify for a bandwagon fan.

[ZachEY]

I found it interesting that you had a whole 2 posts on this forum before Favre was traded to the Jets, now you're here all the time. Aheemm can you say bandwagon fan.

The true posters here stick around during the 4-12 seasons, not just show up when the Jets make an exciting trade.

He's got about 3,300 posts on 'the other site', so that argument falls pretty flat.

[00tonytone]

Chad was comeback player of the year in 06 after 2 major shoulder injuries, last year the jets had the worst OLINE in its history, rotating Olineman all year and chad took most of the blame. Chad knows how to manage a game and doesnt makes mistakes. Thank god Jets seem to have something in Ratliff because there is no future with favre its now of never. Who ever thinks Favre has 3-4 years left is wishfull thinking. Everybody likes to compare Qb vs QB last 3 times Chad played against Favre were blowouts in chads favor. what have the jets done from Chad the franchise to scapegoat. I know this is a buisness before a game but JETS did chad dirty. Im sorry but who ever wishes Chad doesnt succeed in Miami has no Class, I just wish he doesnt succeed against the JETS

[crashingjet]

He's got about 3,300 posts on 'the other site', so that argument falls pretty flat.

As far as I'm concerned there is no other Jets site. JetNation is THE premier Jets Forum.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

As far as I'm concerned there is no other Jets site. JetNation is THE premier Jets Forum.

I agree with the fish lover. Max care to argue the opposing side?

[SeniorFlaJet]

Chad was comeback player of the year in 06 after 2 major shoulder injuries, last year the jets had the worst OLINE in its history, rotating Olineman all year and chad took most of the blame. Chad knows how to manage a game and doesnt makes mistakes. Thank god Jets seem to have something in Ratliff because there is no future with favre its now of never. Who ever thinks Favre has 3-4 years left is wishfull thinking. Everybody likes to compare Qb vs QB last 3 times Chad played against Favre were blowouts in chads favor. what have the jets done from Chad the franchise to scapegoat. I know this is a buisness before a game but JETS did chad dirty. Im sorry but who ever wishes Chad doesnt succeed in Miami has no Class, I just wish he doesnt succeed against the JETS

Look I was a big Chad fan. Even thought he could give us a winning record this year.

Obviously the powers that be didn't think so and I assume they know better than me.

I think he was a class act with the Jets.

Now you say anyone that wishes that Chad doesn't succeed has no class. You just

don't want him to succeed again the Jets. How much do you want him to succeed?

Do you want him to win the other 14 games? Do you want him to beat the Pats

twice or the Bills so the Fins win the Div crown? Just how many games do you

want him to win? Can you tell us which teams you want him to lose to?

The fact is he is now on a division rival and the business end of this is that he

should not do well no matter how much we admired him during his stay with the Jets.

[00tonytone]

#27TheDominator is that ID in regards to Russell Carter. JETS had something there if they would of played him at SS instead of CB

[#27TheDominator]

#27TheDominator is that ID in regards to Russell Carter. JETS had something there if they would of played him at SS instead of CB

Bingo. SMU Mustang. The Dominator excelled wherever they put him in the secondary. He bailed them out a couple of times in the Browns debacle in '86. I think he had a pick and a knock down in the endzone. Trouble with Russell was he couldn't stay healthy and his legs were constantly breaking down. Joe Must Go dumped him and nobody noticed because Klecko was part of that purge.

[kelticwizard]

Chad was comeback player of the year in 06 after 2 major shoulder injuries, last year the jets had the worst OLINE in its history, rotating Olineman all year and chad took most of the blame. Chad knows how to manage a game and doesnt makes mistakes. Thank god Jets seem to have something in Ratliff because there is no future with favre its now of never. Who ever thinks Favre has 3-4 years left is wishfull thinking. Everybody likes to compare Qb vs QB last 3 times Chad played against Favre were blowouts in chads favor. what have the jets done from Chad the franchise to scapegoat. I know this is a buisness before a game but JETS did chad dirty. Im sorry but who ever wishes Chad doesnt succeed in Miami has no Class, I just wish he doesnt succeed against the JETS

I agree with much of what you say except I don't think the Jets did Chad dirty. Most qb's who lead the team to a 1-7 record are gone the next year. Yes, the Oline and defense were terrible, but nevertheless qb's with even better records on bad teams usually get cut loose. What saved Chad was the fact that the Front Office had the cojones to own up to the fact that a big part of 2007 was their fault, that Chad was healthy again and he usually played very well when healthy, and also the fact that there didn't seem to be a lot of better alternatives out there either in the draft or through free agency.

When a living legend suddenly became available, the Jets had to go for it. Yes, Chad got stuck in a bad position that often ends a qb's career, but to a certain extent the team was very understanding even giving him another chance in the first place. Many other qb's have been in Chad's position and simply gotten cut.

And Chad made out pretty well, going down in salary but still remaining a starter at a solid starter's salary. All's well that ends well.

[kelticwizard]

I've been to 2 jets-dolphag games in miami and the stadium is 60% jet fans.

Well you have to understand that South Florida, athletically and in so many other ways, is the sixth borough of New York. Or at least it's most outlying suburb. So it only makes sense that knowledgeable fans in those areas cheer for the world class city their area revolves around and leaves the quaint little suburban operations alone.

Sort of like when these outlying cities have their own live theater. It's nice to have in it's own way, but it just ain't Broadway.

[Jade Green]

The Jets have to borrow a stadium with another teams name on it and we're the joke. PFFT please.

Fact of the matter is in the last 20 years Miami has only had 4 losing seasons, the Jets have had WAY more losing seasons than us. Couple that with 1 trip to the Superbowl in the entire history of the organization. Kinda sad.

Nice try flipper, but it was the city that blew building a stadium for the Jets, and right now they are building the best stadium in sports for the Jets because Jets fans buy tickets and go to the games.

You on the other hand share a stadium with the Marlins and if you ever make the playoffs again, will have the games blacked out because nobody goes.

You don't matter and your fans are a joke because the team they root for is a disgrace!

The Jets own that building and you can post all the bull crap you want, we own the dolfags and have beaten you head up more than you have beat us.

Besides I already told you everybody here already knows you are a clown, no need to prove it with every post.

Have fun slobbering over a guy you trashed his whole career you flip flopper, at least you won't be able to talk this sh*t for too long.

We all know damn well that garbage team's season will be over by week 3, and you are used to that!