Morrissey Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I don't want this to turn into a Sabathia vs. Santana/Mets vs. Yankees thread. I think it would be fun to talk about there performance and compare them during the season. Here are a few things to consider: -Play in NYC -Left handed pitchers -Highest paid pitchers in baseball -Shut down aces It's suppose to be a fun thread, so don't be nasty. Both are on the mound tomorrow on opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Santana - Ace, proven in BOTH leagues over multiple years. Sabathia - Very good pitcher who was above avg in the AL, got traded to the NL, had an awesome season and bam big dollars. Think about how dumb the Yankees are. If they include HUGHES in the deal, they deal Hughes, Kennedy and Cabrera to MIN for Santana... so in other words, 3 scrubs, and then they have a better pitcher for LESS coin. Then, you can just give Sabathia the coin Burnett got (plus some), and for the cost of 3 scrubs Santana sabathia Wang Pettitte Joba May as well just quit with those 2 dominant pitchers. Instead, by June, they'll have Sabathia and his 4.00 era Wang Pettitte Joba Hughes as Burnett will probably get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Santana - Ace, proven in BOTH leagues over multiple years. Sabathia - Very good pitcher who was above avg in the AL, got traded to the NL, had an awesome season and bam big dollars. Think about how dumb the Yankees are. If they include HUGHES in the deal, they deal Hughes, Kennedy and Cabrera to MIN for Santana... so in other words, 3 scrubs, and then they have a better pitcher for LESS coin. Then, you can just give Sabathia the coin Burnett got (plus some), and for the cost of 3 scrubs Santana sabathia Wang Pettitte Joba May as well just quit with those 2 dominant pitchers. Instead, by June, they'll have Sabathia and his 4.00 era Wang Pettitte Joba Hughes as Burnett will probably get hurt. 1. Obviously you didn't understand the point of this thread. 2. Sabathia has't had an ERA over 3.25 since 2005, let alone an ERA at or above 4. He's had a 3.04 ERA the past 3 seasons, which included a Cy Young Award in the American League. He's getting better year after year. His numbers clearly show that. Lets take a closer look at Sabathia's 2008 numbers: March/April w/ CLE- 7.88 ERA May w/ CLE- 2.44 ERA June w/ CLE- 1.89 ERA July w/ MIL- 2.27 ERA Aug w/ MIL- 1.12 ERA Sep/Oct w/ MIL- 2.11 ERA Besides the weird start, he was lights out in both the AL and NL in 2008. 3. Hughes is not a scrub. 4. Not even the Yankees could sign 2 pitchers to 7-8 year contracts at $150 million+ each, nor should they. 5. I'll take Sabathia, Hughes + other prospects over just Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 lol......it took all of one post to go against everything durden asked in his original post....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Here we go again... It really is a shame that so many people that claim to be baseball fans have so little clue about the game. Or let their complete jealous hatred of the greatest franchise in the history of sports blind them completely to reality. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Jesus Christ... boys, get over it. NYC is blessed with 2 of the best left-handed studs in ALL OF BASEBALL. Trust me... it's ok to not bash each other. I love the talk of hypothetical of WELL IF THE YANKEES HAD DONE THIS THEY'D HAVE THIS ROTATION THEY ARE SO DUMB!! I'm sure we could do PLENTY of that with the Mets. It's baseball... management often makes mistakes. Let's at least enjoy opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Jesus Christ... boys, get over it. NYC is blessed with 2 of the best left-handed studs in ALL OF BASEBALL. Trust me... it's ok to not bash each other. I love the talk of hypothetical of WELL IF THE YANKEES HAD DONE THIS THEY'D HAVE THIS ROTATION THEY ARE SO DUMB!! I'm sure we could do PLENTY of that with the Mets. It's baseball... management often makes mistakes. Let's at least enjoy opening day. can't....looks like it's gonna be snowing all day in cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 can't....looks like it's gonna be snowing all day in cincy. Yea I just heard that on the FAN. The blows. It's like thinking you're gonna open presents on Christmas Eve and your parents tell you NO, WAIT TILL MORNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Similar outings on opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 lol......it took all of one post to go against everything durden asked in his original post....... Naive of him wasn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Similar outings on opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Here we go again... It really is a shame that so many people that claim to be baseball fans have so little clue about the game. Or let their complete jealous hatred of the greatest franchise in the history of sports blind them completely to reality. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Sabathia - Very good pitcher who was above avg in the AL, got traded to the NL, had an awesome season and bam big dollars. May as well just quit with those 2 dominant pitchers. So is Sabathia dominant or just very good? Not exactly a consistent argument there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Santana- 1 Sabathia- 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Santana- 1 Sabathia- 0 sabathia was so brutal he gets a -1 for that one. santana : 1 sabathia : -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker134 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 CC is obese, that is undeniable....and it doesn't bode well for the Yankees. Isn't spring trainng the time to get in shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 sabathia was so brutal he gets a -1 for that one. santana : 1 sabathia : -1 Agreed. If this were boxing, the round would've gone 10-8... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Sabathia will not come close to being the pitcher Santana is -not hating just the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Sabathia will not come close to being the pitcher Santana is -not hating just the truth. I'm wondering if this is partly because Milwaukee beat him like a rented mule last year. Which, when you think about it...is exactly what he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 sabathia was so brutal he gets a -1 for that one. santana : 1 sabathia : -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I'm wondering if this is partly because Milwaukee beat him like a rented mule last year. Which, when you think about it...is exactly what he was. Santana has been Mr. consistent unlike sabathia- people forget he started like 1 and 5 with a high ERA last year for Cleveland- when did you ever see those type of stats for santana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Santana has been Mr. consistent unlike sabathia- people forget he started like 1 and 5 with a high ERA last year for Cleveland- when did you ever see those type of stats for santana? Santana is a FREAKING STUD for you guys. How many games did the bull pen lose him last year? He looked great for you guys. All I can tell you is Green is gonna be KEY for you guys. He was good over here in the Pacific NW, when he went to the Mets I figured he'd be a key bullpen guy for you guys. He has good stuff and is a great stop gap/bridge to that nasty end of the pen. Sabathia looked sloppy but like you mentioned Faba... he does this. And usually the first 2-3 games are BRUTAL. I mean, that's the beauty of baseball. If someone told you in April of last year that the Brewers would trade for Sabathia who would carry them into the playoffs would you have believed it? Probably not, most people would think "He's done! It's a waste!" Baseball is not football, it's long, and yes, games count, but it doesn't change your standings so early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Santana is a FREAKING STUD for you guys. How many games did the bull pen lose him last year? He looked great for you guys. All I can tell you is Green is gonna be KEY for you guys. He was good over here in the Pacific NW, when he went to the Mets I figured he'd be a key bullpen guy for you guys. He has good stuff and is a great stop gap/bridge to that nasty end of the pen. Sabathia looked sloppy but like you mentioned Faba... he does this. And usually the first 2-3 games are BRUTAL. I mean, that's the beauty of baseball. If someone told you in April of last year that the Brewers would trade for Sabathia who would carry them into the playoffs would you have believed it? Probably not, most people would think "He's done! It's a waste!" Baseball is not football, it's long, and yes, games count, but it doesn't change your standings so early on. Green is the key... Putz and KRod should be fine. Green Im very worried. Im not sure he has the mental makeup to handle NY when he struggles. Ive seen little of him and hopefully my feeling is wrong about him. I really got the douche chills when I saw him in Spring Training warming up (I was 1 row from the bullpen). And if he does suck in the 7th we really dont have anyone to replace him. 161 games to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Green is the key... Putz and KRod should be fine. Green Im very worried. Im not sure he has the mental makeup to handle NY when he struggles. Ive seen little of him and hopefully my feeling is wrong about him. I really got the douche chills when I saw him in Spring Training warming up (I was 1 row from the bullpen). And if he does suck in the 7th we really dont have anyone to replace him. 161 games to go... He was pretty good in Seattle. We'll see how he does at home, sometimes it's even tougher for relievers to come in with the pressure of the home fans. I think he'll be able to do OK, better then what you had last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 CC's line from last night: 7.2 IP- 6 H, 0 BB, 0 ER, 6 K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 METS fans have balls the size of Kansas these days, let's see how big those nuts will be when you have another late September collapse for the 3rd year in a row. Your bullpen can't do everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 CC's line from last night: 7.2 IP- 6 H, 0 BB, 0 ER, 6 K Very impressive stat line. It would be awesome if he pitched like that in the home opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 CC's line from last night: 7.2 IP- 6 H, 0 BB, 0 ER, 6 K He did pitch well last night. Even fielded his position pretty well. Have to take it with a grain of salt since it was the Royals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 CC's line from last night: 7.2 IP- 6 H, 0 BB, 0 ER, 6 K He pitched very well. Granted, it wasn't much of a lineup he faced, but he doesn't choose opponent. Like that he clearly asked to start the 8th when he didn't have to do so. Yanks are going to be good if the starters stay this solid and the bullpen keeps this up. Papelbon had a really great "save" yesterday, whcih was also great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Johan was ridiculous today in the loss. 7IP, 3H, 1BB, 13K, 0ER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Johan was ridiculous today in the loss. 7IP, 3H, 1BB, 13K, 0ER Yes. He is usually a slow starter and so far has been brilliant. This could be another CY YOUNG year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 Yes. He is usually a slow starter and so far has been brilliant. This could be another CY YOUNG year. Amazing.. 13 K's and he still gets the loss, that's gotta be tough to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Amazing.. 13 K's and he still gets the loss, that's gotta be tough to swallow. Murphy dropped a fly ball that led to the 2 unearned. Johnson was brilliant as well throwing 97 in the 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Johan Today??? 7IP 5H 0BB 0Runs 7K's. ERA on the season 0.46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Johan Today??? 7IP 5H 0BB 0Runs 7K's. ERA on the season 0.46. and a .8333 whip. at least they scored the one measley run they needed to give the poor guy the win. guy has been pitching lights the fu*k out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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