GM Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 Updated: July 30, 2009, 12:24 PM ET Report: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in '03 Comment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times. The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Saw we all agree the Mitchell report was not biased right? Ortiz used steroids? Wow, shocking I tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Lawyers with knowledge of the results? Interesting sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 July 31, 2009 Ortiz and Ramirez Said to Be on 2003 Doping List By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to lawyers with knowledge of the results. Some of baseball’s most cherished storylines of the past decade have been tainted by performance-enhancing drugs, including the accomplishments of record-setting home run hitters and dominating pitchers. Now, players with Boston’s championship teams of 2004 and 2007 have also been linked to doping. Baseball first tested for steroids in 2003, and the results from that season were supposed to remain anonymous. But for reasons that have never been made clear, the results were never destroyed and the first batch of positives has come to be known among fans and people in baseball as “the list.” The information was later seized by federal agents investigating the distribution of performance-enhancing drugs to professional athletes, and the test results remain the subject of litigation between the baseball players union and the government. Five others have been tied to positive tests from that year: Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Jason Grimsley and David Segui. Bonds, baseball’s career home runs leader, was not on the original list, although federal agents seized his 2003 sample and had it retested. Those results showed the presence of steroids, according to court documents. The information about Ramirez and Ortiz emerged through interviews with multiple lawyers and others connected to the pending litigation. The lawyers spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order. The lawyers did not identify which drugs were detected. Unlike Ramirez, who recently served a 50-game suspension for violating baseball’s drug policy, Ortiz had not previously been linked to performance-enhancing substances. Scott Boras, the agent for Ramirez, would not comment Thursday. Asked about the 2003 drug test on Thursday in Boston, Ortiz shrugged. “I’m not talking about that anymore,” he said. “I have no comment.” The union has argued that the government illegally seized the 2003 test results, and judges at various levels of the federal court system have weighed whether the government can keep them. The government hopes to question every player on the list to determine where the drugs came from. An appeals court is deliberating the matter, and the losing side is likely to appeal to the United States Supreme Court. A spokesman for the United States attorney’s office for the Northern District of California, which seized the tests, declined to comment on Thursday. Michael Weiner, the general counsel for the players union, also declined to comment. One by one, the names of elite players tied to performance-enhancing drugs have surfaced this year. In February, it was Rodriguez and Bonds. In May, it was Ramirez — for the first time. In June, it was Sosa. Rodriguez had been viewed by some as a clean player who could eventually overtake the career home run record established by Bonds, who had been linked to possible drug use through the federal investigation. Rodriguez subsequently admitted that he used a performance-enhancing substance from 2001 to 2003. The Times reported in June that Sosa was among those who tested positive in 2003, the first time he had been publicly tied to performance-enhancing drugs. Sosa became a national figure with the Chicago Cubs in 1998, when he and Mark McGwire of the St. Louis Cardinals engaged in a celebrated race to overtake Roger Maris’s single-season home run record of 61. McGwire’s image suffered tremendously when, at a Congressional hearing in 2005, he refused to answer questions about steroid use. By 2003, Ramirez had long since established himself as one of baseball’s best hitters. Ortiz, however, was less known. In 2002, the Minnesota Twins effectively cut him after failing to trade him. He signed a bargain contract with the Red Sox and began the 2003 season as a backup. Ortiz quickly blossomed, setting personal highs in home runs (31) and runs batted in (101). He surpassed those numbers in each of the next four seasons. Ramirez, with his dreadlocks and quirky behavior, and Ortiz, with his gregarious personality and portly build, formed a dynamic tandem on and off the field. They seemed to feed off each other — not to mention demoralize opponents — by hitting back-to-back in the heart of the lineup. In 2004, they helped the Red Sox overcome a 3-0 series deficit against the Yankees in the American League Championship Series. The Red Sox then swept the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series to end decades of heartbreak in Boston. Ortiz had a game-winning home run and a game-winning hit against the Yankees and was named the most valuable player of that series. Ramirez was named the World Series M.V.P. after going 7 for 17 at the plate with a home run. Three years after winning that first title, Ramirez and Ortiz returned Boston to another World Series, where they defeated the Colorado Rockies. The pairing was split last season when the Red Sox traded Ramirez to the Los Angeles Dodgers after team officials grew concerned that he was not playing hard in response to a contract dispute. In Los Angeles, Ramirez took off again, becoming popular among the fans and leading the Dodgers to the playoffs. But Ramirez’s hero status in Los Angeles took a hit in May when he was suspended after baseball officials learned that he had been prescribed a fertility drug often used by bodybuilders after they stopped using steroids. When Ramirez was suspended, he issued a statement that appeared to maneuver around his 2003 test results. “I do want to say one other thing,” Ramirez said. “I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.” That five-year period extended back to 2004, which excludes the 2003 test. Since returning from his suspension, Ramirez has been widely accepted by the home fans. In 48 games this season, he has compiled a .327 average and has hit 11 home runs. Ortiz, meanwhile, has been in a sharp decline. He had an operation on his wrist last year and missed nearly a third of the season. He started this year in a slump and did not hit his first home run until a month and a half into the season. Since June 1, however, he has hit 12 more home runs. In 2007, Ortiz said that he used to buy a protein shake in the Dominican Republic when he was younger and did not know if it contained a performance-enhancing drug. “I don’t do that anymore because they don’t have the approval for that here, so I know that, so I’m off buying things at the GNC back in the Dominican Republic,” Ortiz told The Boston Herald. He added: “I don’t know if I drank something in my youth, not knowing it.” In February, he said that players who tested positive for steroids should be suspended for an entire season — about 100 games more than the current policy requires for a first offense. David Waldstein contributing reporting from Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shocking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 WHAT!? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING! MY WORLD HAS BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. BLACK IS WHITE. WHITE IS BLACK. THIS NEWS IS SO SHOCKING THAT THE LAWS OF PHYSICS HAVE BEEN ALTERED AND I AM TYPING THIS IN NORMAL CASE FROM MY CEILING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I dont care about steriods and I always though it was one of the most overrated scandal ever. But when arod,giambi,etc got caught thats all heard about from sox fans so now its my turn to rub it in there face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 But so what-many of the pitchers they faced were roided up too. Time for everyone to grow up.Haven't seen anyone say they will never watch football again because the NFL is filled with cheaters like Shawn Merriman. Baseball was only a big deal ebcause Congress, those genuises who bankrupt us all every day, wanted to get some street cred. JFTx should come back if he amends his "We're Juice Guys" graphic to include some Sawx. What's embarrassing is Ramirez pretending his latest voyage into PEDs was a mistake. What nonsense. That and Don Fehr for ever agreeing to the test, or at least destroying the samples and results, if this was suppsoed to be anonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Monday, February 16, 2009 Ortiz wants season-long ban Associated Press FORT MYERS, Fla. -- David Ortiz wants players who test positive for steroids to be suspended from baseball for a year instead of the current 50-game penalty. Taking players to court, though, for cases involving use of the substances before players were subject to penalty is not the way to clean up the game, the Boston Red Sox designated hitter said Monday. "I would suggest everybody get tested, not random, everybody," he said. "You go team by team. You test everybody three, four times a year and that's about it." And if a player tests positive for steroids? "Ban 'em for the whole year," the slugger said. The current penalties are a 50-game suspension for a player who tests positive once, 100 games for a second positive test for the same player and a lifetime ban for a third positive test, though a player can seek to return after two years. Philadelphia Phillies pitcher J.C. Romero was suspended last month for the first 50 games this season after testing positive for a banned substance contained in an over-the-counter supplement. On Sunday, Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen called for a one-year suspension for a positive steroids test. "I think you clean up the game by the testing," Ortiz said Monday. "I know that if I test positive by using any kind of substance, I know that I'm going to disrespect my family, the game, the fans and everybody, and I don't want to be facing that situation. "So what would I do? I won't use it, and I'm pretty sure that everybody is on the same page," he said. He drew a distinction between the use of steroids through 2003, when it was not penalized, and the period since then when testing with penalties has been in effect. Miguel Tejada pleaded guilty last Wednesday to lying to Congress about performance-enhancing drug use in baseball. Barry Bonds pleaded not guilty earlier to charges that he lied to a grand jury in 2003 when he said he never knowingly used steroids. "All the drama, bringing that to court and acting like those [are] serious criminals, it doesn't look good for the game," Ortiz said. "It's not like something that is happening right now. Everybody that has been taken to court, it's because they did it in the past when it wasn't banned from the game." Alex Rodriguez has said he used banned substances between 2001-03, when he was with the Texas Rangers. Ortiz said that at that time, "I would say it was certainly low, the percentage that wasn't using it. Like he said in the interview [with ESPN], that was what was going around the league at the time." He praised Rodriguez for saying he used banned substances and said that after 2003, "he's been playing clean and he still produced and he's still been the best player in the game. So if I'm a fan and I had to judge the guy, I would put that in the past and move forward." Now, Ortiz said, he believes the percentage of users is very low. And he said he might even accept blood testing for banned substances. "I don't care. Whatever," he said. "I just want to go out there and make sure that people are not looking at you like, 'Oh, look at this guy. He's big now. What's going on?'" Ortiz is trimmer and appears more muscular this spring training than he was last season. He said his left wrist feels fine after a torn tendon sheath sent him to the disabled list twice last year and limited him to 23 homers, 89 RBIs and a .264 batting average, all personal lows in his first six seasons with Boston. "Sometimes I listen to comments and it just does nothing but make me stronger," he said. "I heard people say, 'He's getting old.' Whatever. I just turned 33 so I've never seen a player being called old at 33. "Those negative comments that people make about you just for one year that you've been off because of injuries and things like that don't make any sense," he said. He also said the Red Sox could use another slugger after the July 31 trade to the Los Angeles Dodgers of cleanup hitter Manny Ramirez, who provided protection in the lineup for Ortiz, who hit third. Would he like to see Ramirez, who is unsigned, return? "Why not?" he said, though he knows it won't happen. But, Ortiz added, "We're going to be fine. We have a lot of good hitters." With every position settled but shortstop, where Julio Lugo and Jed Lowrie are competing, manager Terry Francona questioned where Boston could fit a slugger into the lineup. "I think our base running will be better. I think our defense will be better," Francona said. "There's a lot of different ways to be better than other teams, not just hitting a three-run homer. I'm actually pretty comfortable with our team." That includes Ortiz, now motivated by the naysayers who thought he was over the hill. "I don't have to prove nothing here," he said. "I have done it all here. I'm just going to try to maintain myself healthy and just let people know that they were wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm shocked. Eyedrops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Bwa-hahaahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahha haahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 None of the resident Sox fans have posted yet? Aren't we owed an explanation? According to them previously, only Yankees used steroids. Do they need more time to formulate talking points? Maybe they have a meeting. This was so obvious to anyone with eyes and common sense. At least the ridiculously obsurd delusions of innocence can finally end from the dopes from New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Ha! Like this is a big suprise You know what I don't get? How Theo Epstein and Lyin' Larry Lucchino and the creepy John Henry - are always called geniuses and gurus and such. I mean, didn't Theo sign Eric Gagne and didn't he say "he's a steriod guy - but lets give him a try." Are people so naive to think that management and coaches don't know what's going on? C'mon. I've concluded that most current players have done a PED. It's pretty darn obvious. What does bug me is the hypocricy. Ortiz railed against the used of PEDS and swore to Gawd that he never touched 'em. He went so far as to say those that are caught should be penalized more. I mean, you look at your fans and lie like that? Everyone has been lying like that? Everyone says Ortiz is a nice man, a good guy, blah, blah, blah.....really? I mean, he kind of looks like a lying sack of sh*t to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 Updated: July 30, 2009, 12:24 PM ET Report: Manny, Ortiz tested positive in '03 Comment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, lawyers with knowledge of the results told The New York Times. The two were key members of the Boston Red Sox World Series teams in 2004 and 2007. Thank you Captain Obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 None of the resident Sox fans have posted yet? Aren't we owed an explanation? According to them previously, only Yankees used steroids. Do they need more time to formulate talking points? Maybe they have a meeting. This was so obvious to anyone with eyes and common sense. At least the ridiculously obsurd delusions of innocence can finally end from the dopes from New England. Exactly. Where's PFSIKH, aka King Homer right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 2004*, 2007* Who knew that all it took to break the curse was a bunch of juice? If only they knew 90 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 2004*, 2007* Who knew that all it took to break the curse was a bunch of juice? If only they knew 90 years ago... NOTHING the city of Boston has ever done is worth a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 NOTHING the city of Boston has ever done is worth a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 NOTHING the city of Boston has ever done is worth a ****. Hey, I'm not a Sox fan - but don't be pissing all over my City. Especially when the pisser is from Jacksonville, FLA. Now that's a mecca of higer education, culture and fine dining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Who needs freedom when you can have BBQ sauce? Not surprised about Papi, all the warning signs were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 David Roidtiz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Hey, I'm not a Sox fan - but don't be pissing all over my City. Especially when the pisser is from Jacksonville, FLA. Now that's a mecca of higer education, culture and fine dining I am NOT "from" Jacksonville. I reside in Jacksonville. I am from the greatest city on earth - New York City and was born in it's greatest borough - home of the 26-time World Champion (and they didn't need steroids to win a single one) New York Yankees - the Bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Who needs freedom when you can have BBQ sauce? On a food/drink note, I enjoyed another gift from Boston this past weekend: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I am NOT "from" Jacksonville. I reside in Jacksonville. I am from the greatest city on earth - New York City and was born in it's greatest borough - home of the 26-time World Champion (and they didn't need steroids to win a single one) New York Yankees - the Bronx. The Bronx is clearly no better than 3rd, behind Manhattan and Brooklyn, and being from Queens, I'd have to rank it 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 The Bronx is clearly no better than 3rd, behind Manhattan and Brooklyn, and being from Queens, I'd have to rank it 4th. I quote Martin Scorcese in the movie Quiz Show: "Queens is not New York." Brooklyn is loaded with phags and so is Manhattan. The Bronx will kick all the other boroughs asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I quote Martin Scorcese in the movie Quiz Show: "Queens is not New York." Brooklyn is loaded with phags and so is Manhattan. The Bronx will kick all the other boroughs asses. Yes, there are probably more weapons per capita in the Bronx than any other borough. I'll give you that much... I guess one street with good food, a baseball stadium, a zoo, and a lack of "phags" make it the best borough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I quote Martin Scorcese in the movie Quiz Show: "Queens is not New York." Brooklyn is loaded with phags and so is Manhattan. The Bronx will kick all the other boroughs asses. Bring it tubby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yes, there are probably more weapons per capita in the Bronx than any other borough. I'll give you that much... I guess one street with good food, a baseball stadium, a zoo, and a lack of "phags" make it the best borough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yes, there are probably more weapons per capita in the Bronx than any other borough. I'll give you that much... I guess one street with good food, a baseball stadium, a zoo, and a lack of "phags" make it the best borough though. They ship their 'phags' out to Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I am NOT "from" Jacksonville. I reside in Jacksonville. I am from the greatest city on earth - New York City and was born in it's greatest borough - home of the 26-time World Champion (and they didn't need steroids to win a single one) New York Yankees - the Bronx. Whatever, you needlessly sh*t on my City. Sh*t on the Sox all you want, but leave my city out of it. You never see me bemoaning the greatest city on Earth, do you? Geez, you are an incredible putz sometimes. I've been to Yankee Stadium. Not the new one, the old one. I liked it. The surrounding area? Not so much. It's pretty pathetic, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Saw we all agree the Mitchell report was not biased right? Ortiz used steroids? Wow, shocking I tell ya. how does Papi using steroids in 2003 lead to the Mitchell report being biased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Geez, you are an incredible putz sometimes. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Whatever, you needlessly sh*t on my City. Sh*t on the Sox all you want, but leave my city out of it. You never see me bemoaning the greatest city on Earth, do you? Geez, you are an incredible putz sometimes. Jeez, don't take it so personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Whatever, you needlessly sh*t on my City. Sh*t on the Sox all you want, but leave my city out of it. You never see me bemoaning the greatest city on Earth, do you? Geez, you are an incredible putz sometimes. thats what people do when the opposing team is better than their own team. Sox fans hate NY, not just the Yankees, and now the Yankees are the lesser team the fans attack the city. Its pathetic on both ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Jeez, don't take it so personal. she's a woman. they take everything personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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