Kids get in trouble for wearing American flag T-shirts to school on Cinco de Mayo

[The Crusher]

I agree with the two of you. I think part, for me, is that the kids wearing the American flag are using it as an excuse to try and slap other people in the face. It should be within their rights to wear the shirt. My parents are immigrants and keep to their traditions and celebrate amongst fellow Chilean their holiday's. But the celebrate the 4th of July and love this country because it helped them provide a great education for both of their children who are Americans.

Get me a date I'll celebrate the **** out that day. I get all greased up and shirtless, pound a muscle milk, take a cute picture with my wife and kids, post it, go eat at some chilean night spot, tell them Im a friend of the Chilean Thundercat, get escorted to VIP and do that damn thing. Don;t get hung up on who's Holiday it is, its all Amercian because Amnercia loves a reason to party. End of it. I win. I love you all.

[Vicious89x]

Get me a date I'll celebrate the **** out that day. I get all greased up and shirtless, pound a muscle milk, take a cute picture with my wife and kids, post it, go eat at some chilean night spot, tell them Im a friend of the Chilean Thundercat, get escorted to VIP and do that damn thing. Don;t get hung up on who's Holiday it is, its all Amercian because Amnercia loves a reason to party. End of it. I win. I love you all.

Crusher FTW

[The Crusher]

Oh come on. Internet tough guy? I show up at these games...I just want to say hello.

Nothing really sticks out as odd in this post except for how long it took to get here.

[The Crusher]

No. The illegal immigration issue and the Arizona law is the difference. Nobody wears an American flag shirt on St. Patrick's day for the purpose of demeaning an already marginalized group of people. They wear orange for that, and yes, if a school happens to be religiously polarized to the extent that this one is racially to the point that it's going to cause disruption of the educational environment, they'd get sent home too.

Got to walk before you run Intellectual Cujo. I honestly don;t know much about when the Irish came here, Im sure it sucked awhile for them too. I could tell you this, it was no picnic coming through Ellis island for the Italians. Trying to find work, get educated, I'm the first genration to get a professional degree in my family, that damn taste tester correspondace school paid off too.

Grandparents had friends who's family chose to change their last name. I know, I know many groups suffered worse but I know what I grew up with best. Just the way it is.

[New York Mick]

I think some of you guys are off the mark. It's not the sight of the flag that had the mexicans upset... if that was the case I'd say they to go eff themselves.

It's the fact that this band of pukes probably organized this "protest" in between games of Grand Theft Auto while laughing about how the "wetbacks" will react when they see them coming. These aren't adults they were punk kids... punk kids can't understand or care about what the flag represents. They were just trying to be funny.

American kids can't understand or care about what the flag represents but Mexican kids can? Because they were the ones getting upset about.

[New York Mick]

Got to walk before you run Intellectual Cujo. I honestly don;t know much about when the Irish came here, Im sure it sucked awhile for them too. I could tell you this, it was no picnic coming through Ellis island for the Italians. Trying to find work, get educated, I'm the first genration to get a professional degree in my family, that damn taste tester correspondace school paid off too.

Grandparents had friends who's family chose to change their last name. I know, I know many groups suffered worse but I know what I grew up with best. Just the way it is.

The Irish were Americas original ni ggers. The term need not apply came from signs posted in windows say "Irish need not apply". It was used for rentals as well.

As for as St Patricks Day goes, I see people all the time wearing flags or shirts of their country and nobody ****ing cared.

[Aten]

American kids can't understand or care about what the flag represents but Mexican kids can?

No, I'm pretty sure the Mexican kids understood the flag shirts to mean exactly what the American kids intended them to mean.

[New York Mick]

No, I'm pretty sure the Mexican kids understood the flag shirts to mean exactly what the American kids intended them to mean.

If Mexicans wear the flags is that meant to be racist or does it only apply to white American kids?

Would it have been ok if Cubans wore their flag on May 5th?

You're acting like the kids wore klan outfits on MLK birthday.

[NIGHT STALKER]

Nothing really sticks out as odd in this post except for how long it took to get here.

Sometimes Crusher, I think I was born a generation or two too late. My mindset is that of the WWII generation...it's a generation that is lost in today's America and that's too bad.

Here's an example. My son was a senior in high school down here in Florida when 9/11 happened. He said a lot of the students said as long as it wasn't Florida, they didn't care. Sad, but true...it's become a "me" first attitude among many.

[neckdemon]

lebowski quote...

im still waiting for all the patriots to explain how disrespecting the American flag (by featuring it as a Tshirt, essentially disposable clothing) is such a great thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

I've checked several flag resources, it's a federal law... the US Flag should be used as a patch on serviceman's uniform, at most... lapel pins are also allowed.

but it's not meant to be used as a logo in a tagged-out tshirt... or as a sweat rag for a teenager's head... or someone's pant legs... or a swimsuit thong... or to have a slogan or advertising attached to it.

we think wearing a 5 dollar chinese made t-shirt with the flag screened on and saying "these colors dont run" is especially patriotic, in fact it's not.

what happens when the t-shirts wear out do they get ceremonially burned?

i only saw the movie once so i didn't get it....sry

[Aten]

You're acting like the kids wore klan outfits on MLK birthday.

You're acting like there's a difference. Bedsheets aren't inherently offensive either.

[Thai Jet]

So the problem isn't with the flag itself but with the message it's being used to convey? Thanks for catching up. Also, I didn't say anything about the right wing so spare me your imagined oppression.

Give it a rest already.

[New York Mick]

You're acting like there's a difference. Bedsheets aren't inherently offensive either.

It's no where near the same and you didn't answer the other questions.

[Thai Jet]

If they were going to be Patriotic they could accept those from other backgrounds and their culture in the USA. The culture of this country is a melting pot of many immigrants coming here and developing it. To purposely wear a shirt on a day that is supposed to celebrate a portion of our population and say you're a Patriot is blasphemous to anyone who has ever really been a Patriot.

Using a flag to make a statement doesn't make you a Patriot, it makes you an idiot.

A bit much , no ?

[Aten]

It's no where near the same and you didn't answer the other questions.

Explain how it's not the same. Bedsheets in a vacuum, not offensive. Flag in a vacuum, not offensive. Bedsheets used to express racial animus, offensive. Flag used to express racial animus, offensive.

[New York Mick]

I guess if white American kids do something it's racist but if other races do it they are just showing pride.

[Pac]

If Mexicans wear the flags is that meant to be racist or does it only apply to white American kids?

Would it have been ok if Cubans wore their flag on May 5th?

You're acting like the kids wore klan outfits on MLK birthday.

Come on Mick you can read between the lines. I doubt you would have heard anything about this if the kids had worn their shirts and bandannas on May 4th.

They were obviously saying F you Mexicans... I'd be willing to bet in addition to their costumes they probably were walking around with puffed out chests and stupid grins on their faces.

These days teenagers have enough of a hard time trying to find their way without having to feel like sh-t because their last name is Martinez or Sanchez.

And why is everyone assuming there was a fiesta going on because it was Cinco de Mayo? I don't recall ever seeing giddy Mexicans on May 5th.

[Thai Jet]

It's no where near the same and you didn't answer the other questions.

And I'm giuessing he won't either.

[Aten]

And I'm giuessing he won't either.

You're right. I can't win this argument out of context any more than you can in context.

[NIGHT STALKER]

You're right. I can't win this argument out of context any more than you can in context.

Yeah, but you can win by joining me for a beer or two...assuming you're old enough to drink.

[RutgersJetFan]

Flag used to express racial animus, offensive.

The sad part is that it's not even surprising how some don't see this as blatantly obvious.

[Biggs]

I have no doubt that these kids did this to be controversial, if not provacative. I am highly suspicious that they all happened to get patriotic on Cinco de Mayo. That being said, whatever their motivations were, how PC has this country become that wearing the American flag is offensive to ANYONE in this country on ANY friggin day???

Wearing the American flag is clearly fashion fopaux unless you're Captain America or gay enough to know how to properly accessorize.

[Aten]

The sad part is that it's not even surprising how some don't see this as blatantly obvious.

What I don't get is, if they're not contesting that this was the kids' intent, what is the argument exactly? That the flag has some kind of magical power to sanctify whatever repugnant idea some retard uses it to convey?

[RutgersJetFan]

Got to walk before you run Intellectual Cujo. I honestly don;t know much about when the Irish came here, Im sure it sucked awhile for them too.

The fact that such a social trend is repeating itself should be something that's used as a point of contention, not justification.

[Aten]

Yeah, but you can win by joining me for a beer or two...assuming you're old enough to drink.

I didn't realize they served beer in dark alleys. Count me in for Miami then.

[New York Mick]

Come on Mick you can read between the lines. I doubt you would have heard anything about this if the kids had worn their shirts and bandannas on May 4th.

They were obviously saying F you Mexicans... I'd be willing to bet in addition to their costumes they probably were walking around with puffed out chests and stupid grins on their faces.

These days teenagers have enough of a hard time trying to find their way without having to feel like sh-t because their last name is Martinez or Sanchez.

And why is everyone assuming there was a fiesta going on because it was Cinco de Mayo? I don't recall ever seeing giddy Mexicans on May 5th.

During St Pats day and 4th of July there are a bunch of Cuban, Brasilian etc flags and shirts. Should we read between the lines then?

[bitonti]

I am jealous of people with one culture. I am half Irish and half Jewish. I'd like to get drunk, but I am too cheap.

hilarious

[Biggs]

During St Pats day and 4th of July there are a bunch of Cuban, Brasilian etc flags and shirts. Should we read between the lines then?

Mick nobody contends that giving the finger to the Irish is an issue. This is about giving the finger to Mexicans. Stay on point.

[Pac]

During St Pats day and 4th of July there are a bunch of Cuban, Brasilian etc flags and shirts. Should we read between the lines then?

Was there supposed to be an "if" in there? I'm asking because I've never seen it.

If that happened I'd feel the same way about whoever was trying to belittle our holiday... though I don't think you'll find many stupid enough to try it.

[NIGHT STALKER]

I didn't realize they served beer in dark alleys. Count me in for Miami then.

Nah, we'll be up front and personal...I wouldn't have any other way.

[RutgersJetFan]

What I don't get is, if they're not contesting that this was the kids' intent, what is the argument exactly? That the flag has some kind of magical power to sanctify whatever repugnant idea some retard uses it to convey?

Actually, after rereading some of the posts, yes.

[New York Mick]

Was there supposed to be an "if" in there? I'm asking because I've never seen it.

If that happened I'd feel the same way about whoever was trying to belittle our holiday... though I don't think you'll find many stupid enough to try it.

It does happen, during every event in S Florida you see Latino and Brasilian flags. and shirts.

[NIGHT STALKER]

It does happen, during every event in S Florida you see Latino and Brasilian flags. and shirts.

You can't convince people who don't live in this enviornment Mick.

[Aten]

It does happen, during every event in S Florida you see Latino and Brasilian flags. and shirts.

Then sure. If they're using their symbol of choice to denigrate other people, it's exactly the same as what the kids did. The difference is that it's not in the school setting so it's fully protected speech just like a klan rally or whatever.

[Biggs]

It does happen, during every event in S Florida you see Latino and Brasilian flags. and shirts.

How is that relevant to this situation? This is a school issue. No different than if kids were in a gang and were wearing gang colors in school. The principle has to act if he thinks it's going to be disruptive.

I would have gone to the drama teacher and had them enlist the kids in a dramatic version of West Side story, but you can't really argue with the direction the school took. Turning the flag into a political symbol is fine but if you're disrupting a school the authorities get to shut you up. It's no different than disrupting a teacher during class by talking through their lecture.