slats Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I see your point, but they could be an asset to the town, and this thinking is like killing off the cop before he can be converted, don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Here's my take: I think your lynch is taking on an air of inevitability. If you're a roleless townie, then I think you should come clean and accept your fate. Sucks to be that guy, but for the sake of the town it's better that we don't run up any other trains potentially exposing power roles and narrowing the field of who might be the WWoW for the scum. If you have a power role, I still think you have to come clean, and let the town decide what we should do about it. Okay, then here is the deal. I am a bomb. If I get lynched, whoever hammers me, is going with me. I purposefully was cryptic yesterday by saying "you will regret getting rid of me." But now, the reality is this. Scum probably figured that out already, and if I let myself get lynched... there's a good chance that another townie will die with me. I tried to play my way into a lynch, with play so bad that the scum would feel they could safely hammer me... so I could kill one of them with me. But I think the odds of a townie hammering me are obviously better, and don't want to be dumped on for it. I don't know what the right / wrong play was... so... I'll take my lumps for a bad game if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Okay, then here is the deal. I am a bomb. If I get lynched, whoever hammers me, is going with me. I purposefully was cryptic yesterday by saying "you will regret getting rid of me." But now, the reality is this. Scum probably figured that out already, and if I let myself get lynched... there's a good chance that another townie will die with me. I tried to play my way into a lynch, with play so bad that the scum would feel they could safely hammer me... so I could kill one of them with me. But I think the odds of a townie hammering me are obviously better, and don't want to be dumped on for it. I don't know what the right / wrong play was... so... I'll take my lumps for a bad game if need be. So if you were a bomb and trying to play yourself into the lynch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Okay, then here is the deal. I am a bomb. If I get lynched, whoever hammers me, is going with me. I purposefully was cryptic yesterday by saying "you will regret getting rid of me." But now, the reality is this. Scum probably figured that out already, and if I let myself get lynched... there's a good chance that another townie will die with me. I tried to play my way into a lynch, with play so bad that the scum would feel they could safely hammer me... so I could kill one of them with me. But I think the odds of a townie hammering me are obviously better, and don't want to be dumped on for it. I don't know what the right / wrong play was... so... I'll take my lumps for a bad game if need be. Ugh. Do not like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ugh. Do not like. A very eloquent way to express my feelings. Thanks, Slats. I'll be back in a few. I'm going to go paint a shelf and think about what to do with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 This. I'm at the point where strategically, I don't know what the right thing to do is... If you have a role spill it, if not stfu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan. Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 unvote i28 I know it could just be a good play by scum but want more people's feedback too. what changed between last night and now that makes you think it's now a good time to reveal in full? Okay, then here is the deal. I am a bomb. If I get lynched, whoever hammers me, is going with me. I purposefully was cryptic yesterday by saying "you will regret getting rid of me." But now, the reality is this. Scum probably figured that out already, and if I let myself get lynched... there's a good chance that another townie will die with me. I tried to play my way into a lynch, with play so bad that the scum would feel they could safely hammer me... so I could kill one of them with me. But I think the odds of a townie hammering me are obviously better, and don't want to be dumped on for it. I don't know what the right / wrong play was... so... I'll take my lumps for a bad game if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Okay, then here is the deal. I am a bomb. If I get lynched, whoever hammers me, is going with me. I purposefully was cryptic yesterday by saying "you will regret getting rid of me." But now, the reality is this. Scum probably figured that out already, and if I let myself get lynched... there's a good chance that another townie will die with me. I tried to play my way into a lynch, with play so bad that the scum would feel they could safely hammer me... so I could kill one of them with me. But I think the odds of a townie hammering me are obviously better, and don't want to be dumped on for it. I don't know what the right / wrong play was... so... I'll take my lumps for a bad game if need be. I'm town but i'll hammer if need be.. going to be away anyway and this reveal now completely conflicts with the way he's played this.. He may be telling the truth and just the monkey brain we thought he was, but I'm ok calling his bluff given my other commitments.. you guys let me know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 unvote i28 I know it could just be a good play by scum but want more people's feedback too. what changed between last night and now that makes you think it's now a good time to reveal in full? Last night, I thought there was a perception that I was playing like ****. Because I was. With that being out there I thought the odds of scum hammering me would be greater. Whoever hammered me last night, could have safely rested on the explanation "he played awful." Just like last game with Runin. Now, I see a bunch of people who I have town reads on (you, slats) hovering around me at L2 and its become obvious that the liklihood of someone I think is scum hammering me is slim. It wasn't a good plan, but it was the only one I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I'm town but i'll hammer if need be.. going to be away anyway and this reveal now completely conflicts with the way he's played this.. He may be telling the truth and just the monkey brain we thought he was, but I'm ok calling his bluff given my other commitments.. you guys let me know.. Your vote is already on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I don't buy this for a second. There is no bomb in The Wizard of Oz. And if you were a bomb, you sure as hell wouldn't have come out of the gate like a banshee. This has got to be crap. But it does bring up an interesting dilemma, 'cause I don't want to hammer him. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Your vote is already on me. I will unvote and revote.. Anyway, if the town doesn't want to risk it, then it won't happen, really as simple as that.. I'm fine with pulling the trigger thought as i've got it close to 50/50 you are fos.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barmacral Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 OMGUS? At least be honest about it, dude. I am being honest about it, not omgus. If it was omgus I'd have voted you ages ago. You are the only other person with any sort of train going, and I already explained that I was going for the competing trains thing for information. I don't buy this for a second. There is no bomb in The Wizard of Oz. And if you were a bomb, you sure as hell wouldn't have come out of the gate like a banshee. This has got to be crap. But it does bring up an interesting dilemma, 'cause I don't want to hammer him. heh But what about in Wicked? Is there a bomb in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I don't buy this for a second. There is no bomb in The Wizard of Oz. And if you were a bomb, you sure as hell wouldn't have come out of the gate like a banshee. This has got to be crap. But it does bring up an interesting dilemma, 'cause I don't want to hammer him. heh I already said I will.. just needs to happen by like 7:30... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I don't buy this for a second. There is no bomb in The Wizard of Oz. And if you were a bomb, you sure as hell wouldn't have come out of the gate like a banshee. This has got to be crap. But it does bring up an interesting dilemma, 'cause I don't want to hammer him. heh Exactly what I would say if I was scum... "this reveal is definitely bogus, now.... one of you townies hammer him." Unvote Runin Vote DPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 If we decide to lynch, him can't he just hammer himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 If we decide to lynch, him can't he just hammer himself? we already know they'll be some reason why he can't.. i didn't bother to suggest.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 But what about in Wicked? Is there a bomb in there? I don't think I can say who my character is... but its not in the movie. I had never heard of it to be honest... and its not literally a bomb, its a bomb by mafia role standards. Technically I kill whoever lynches me... just not by explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Exactly what I would say if I was scum... "this reveal is definitely bogus, now.... one of you townies hammer him." Unvote Runin Vote DPR DPR and runin are 2 and 3 on my lists.. fwiw.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT--DAY 1 Lily (4) -- Vicious, Nae, Pac, Barm Barm (1) -- Hess JiF (2) -- Runin, WWWWombat I28 (8) -- CTM, JiF, slats, BG, Smashmouth, Lily, JVOR, DPR, DPR (1) -- I28 THOSE NOT VOTING: AVM, Verbal, Sharrow, DanX With 20 Ozites in the Castle, it takes 11 to lynch. DEADLINE IN 9 HOURS AND 55 MINUTES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 If we decide to lynch, him can't he just hammer himself? Funny that he failed to mention that, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I'm town but i'll hammer if need be.. going to be away anyway and this reveal now completely conflicts with the way he's played this.. He may be telling the truth and just the monkey brain we thought he was, but I'm ok calling his bluff given my other commitments.. you guys let me know.. I'm having trouble buying the reveal. Could be true, but it's extremely convenient. If you're volunteering to call his bluff, off the top of my head I think it could be a good play. The alternative is running up another train and hoping we aren't lynching a power role - all while wondering for the rest of the game if I28 was telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I am being honest about it, not omgus. If it was omgus I'd have voted you ages ago. You are the only other person with any sort of train going, and I already explained that I was going for the competing trains thing for information. But what about in Wicked? Is there a bomb in there? Fair enough. I may have missed it, with all that was going on yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Funny that he failed to mention that, isn't it? Maybe also funny that you guys didn't mention it, it's the first thing that popped into my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I'm having trouble buying the reveal. Could be true, but it's extremely convenient. If you're volunteering to call his bluff, off the top of my head I think it could be a good play. The alternative is running up another train and hoping we aren't lynching a power role - all while wondering for the rest of the game if I28 was telling the truth. This ties into my only issue that I've had with I28. He didn't want to reveal yesterday, and now we only have 9 hours to hash out whether to lynch him, move onto someone else who will inevitably reveal. Did he just wait it out to put us into a tailspin? I need to think this over more, we have to believe that all his "defense" against JiF was a ploy to get himself lynched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 we already know they'll be some reason why he can't.. i didn't bother to suggest.. Do we know this? What about it, I28? Anything in your role that says you can't hammer yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I honestly don't know what to think. Y'all know him better than I do, and this is one time where my lack of knowledge is a big deal. I'll leave my vote where it is for now, while we figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Maybe also funny that you guys didn't mention it, it's the first thing that popped into my head... 'd be lieing if I said I didn't think of it, btu i really think the answer will be no for some reason, mechanical or ethical, and I don't have a ton of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Do we know this? What about it, I28? Anything in your role that says you can't hammer yourself? In my role explanation it says that there are exceptions to who can and cannot hammer me. I assumed it mean the wwow couldn't hammer me, because it would be game over. It may also mean that I cannot, but it doesn't say that explicitly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan. Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I'll never understand the strategy of playing shady on purpose to attract scum. You have an equal chance of getting townies on your train plus the distraction from real scum. This really doesn't add up to me. I agree with sharrow, if you're really town, which is extremely questionable, then you can hammer yourself. vote: i28 Last night, I thought there was a perception that I was playing like ****. Because I was. With that being out there I thought the odds of scum hammering me would be greater. Whoever hammered me last night, could have safely rested on the explanation "he played awful." Just like last game with Runin. Now, I see a bunch of people who I have town reads on (you, slats) hovering around me at L2 and its become obvious that the liklihood of someone I think is scum hammering me is slim. It wasn't a good plan, but it was the only one I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Funny that he failed to mention that, isn't it? You sound like scum... boastful enough to say I am bluffing, but too cowardly to call the bluff yourself... and now you want me to do it, probably cause the scum team doesn't want to waste a NK finding out if I left out any details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 In my role explanation it says that there are exceptions to who can and cannot hammer me. I assumed it mean the wwow couldn't hammer me, because it would be game over. It may also mean that I cannot, but it doesn't say that explicitly. Oh, then you will self hammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Sigh. That sucks in so many ways. I don't know how a bomb would work in to the Wizard of Oz, and all this really does is keep scum from hammering, honestly. I just don't get the play at this point, when generally scum avoid hammering an innocent regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT--DAY 1 Lily (4) -- Vicious, Nae, Pac, Barm Barm (1) -- Hess JiF (2) -- Runin, WWWWombat I28 (9) -- CTM, JiF, slats, BG, Smashmouth, Lily, JVOR, DPR, DanX DPR (1) -- I28 THOSE NOT VOTING: AVM, Verbal, Sharrow, With 20 Ozites in the Castle, it takes 11 to lynch. DEADLINE IN 9 HOURS AND 37 MINUTES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 unvote JiF vote I28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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