Kentucky Jet Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Green Lantern: Hypothetically, A Case For Nnamdi On Jets Revis-Asomugha Would Have Bigger Impact Than Pass Rusher February 9, 2011 1:35 PM By Jeff Capellini NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/WFAN) — You’ll probably be reading a lot of stories and columns like this one until the NFL works out its collective bargaining agreement. It’s actually a fairly fun time to be a writer because we have temporary license to create crazy scenarios that in all likelihood are not feasible. But, given the fact that we don’t know what the salary cap will be next season — or if there will actually be a next season — that doesn’t mean that fans and media shouldn’t speculate on what the Jets should do in preparation for the next time the team actually takes the field. To me, despite the Jets’ apparent needs on the defensive line — as in the need to find a do-it-on-his-own pass rusher and the desire to get younger — they can fix the problem to a degree in this win-now league by basically de-emphasizing the need to get to the quarterback. Now, I realize that sounds like insanity considering the fact that the Jets’ biggest problem in 2010 was pressuring the quarterback, but you saw what team defense is all about during the divisional round playoff game against the Patriots up in Foxborough. The Jets sacked Tom Brady five times, a stunning statistic considering their constant failures to put significant pressure on basically every quarterback this season. The game plan put together by Rex Ryan and defensive coordinator Mike Pettine was brilliant. That said, a hybrid of the same plan didn’t work too well the next week in Pittsburgh because the Jets failed to tackle and forgot about Ben Roethlisberger’s ability to make something out of nothing. Part of that is correctable without making a single move in the offseason. The other part can be fixed simply by remembering the vast majority of NFL quarterbacks don’t have the tools and smarts of a Roethlisberger. That said, though, to get to the Super Bowl the Jets have to deal on a yearly basis with Brady, Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning and improving Joe Flacco, so why leave anything to chance? Why have just one elite defensive back when you can have two? If the Jets were to say goodbye to Antonio Cromartie, who has all the talent in the world but is often a bigger headache than he’s worth, and they somehow decide to target soon-to-be 30-year-old Nnamdi Asomugha they rest easier knowing they have the 30th pick in the draft. They also wouldn’t need to break the bank for a pass rusher, one that will likely not be at the level of a Julius Peppers but will have to be paid comparatively because the supply this offseason on the market doesn’t come close to matching the demand. The problem with Asomugha is money. And we can all thank Al Davis for making it very hard for any NFL team to sign this guy. Largely viewed as one of the top two or three cover corners in the NFL, Asomugha is certainly on the level of a Darrelle Revis, but the contract Davis gave him — a three-year deal that made him the highest paid defensive back in NFL history — was so complex and out there even Davis realized the final year wasn’t worth it after he saw his team go 13-19 the first two seasons with Asomugha shutting down opponents’ top receiver. If the Jets decide that Asomugha is a vast upgrade over Cromartie, which he is both on the field and in the community, General Manager Mike Tannenbaum has to turn Rex loose. He’ll need his highly respected coach — a guy Asomugha has reportedly already said he’d want to play for — to sell the all-world corner on the following realities: First, at present, no defensive back is worth the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks or $16.875 million, which is what the Raiders would have had to pony up if they had picked up his option for 2011. Second, the Jets are a player or two away from winning the Super Bowl. If Ryan appeals to Asomugha’s sensibilities, inflates his ego but at the same time convinces him that in the grand scheme of things the guy will be the difference maker between winning a championship or not, maybe the player who was a finalist for NFL Man of the Year, as we saw on Sunday, will let that override any desire he may have to be once again the highest paid at his position. Lastly, if Ryan and Tannenbaum can sell Asomugha on the idea of forming likely the greatest DB tandem in NFL history alongside Revis it will only lead to prolonged excellence for the next few years. If the Jets were to sign Asomugha they wouldn’t need to go crazy for a pass rusher. They could franchise linebacker David Harris and deal with him next year. They would have the best secondary in the game, one that would force opponents to throw to third receivers and tight ends all day. I realize that was a problem this past season, but you also had to throw in No. 2s catching their fair shares of balls while we waited for Cromartie to jump a route. The middle of the field would instantly become clogged and the opposition’s vertical game would be rendered null and void. The air would be completely taken out of the ball. If they only have to worry about a third receiver or the Gronkowskis of the world the Jets have enough able-bodied guys — Kyle Wilson, Dwight Lowery and Drew Coleman come to mind — to handle those responsibilities. In addition, the Jets already have a stout run defense. You throw Asomugha in the mix and you have entered at worst coverage sack utopia and at best the land of three and outs. Now, would it be the same as acquiring an elite pass rusher who would command double teams that would open lanes for Ryan’s army of blitzers? No, but I believe the legendary secondary approach would be just as effective. Mostly because the Jets have enough talent throughout the defense to adapt to anything and because Ryan is a scheme genius. Plus, serious pass rushers are not as readily available as Asomugha is. He’s just sitting there. Sell him on the notion of what being a Jet is supposed to be. Convince him he has a chance to become part of something elite and with shelf life. This is the type of currency Tannenbaum and Ryan have already bought with many players. Asomugha’s perception of his resume or his past contracts shouldn’t play into their plan. They just need to follow the company line, the same one that has gotten the Jets within a half in each of the past two seasons of getting to the biggest game there is: We’re going to win the Super Bowl soon. Don’t let the train go by. Is this whole notion of signing Asomugha a long shot? Maybe. But if we’ve learned one thing about Mr. T and Rex it’s that you can never discount anything. As currently constituted the Jets don’t need to go out and improve their offense short of doing their best to bring back Santonio Holmes and/or Braylon Edwards. A killer defense is the only thing that will offset the unpredictability of offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. No move is too crazy or ever dismissed without serious thought. That’s why you’ll soon be hearing about guys like LaMarr Woodley and Haloti Ngata, each of whom would also more than satisfy the Jets’ needs but who are also not pure pass rushers. If you think Asomugha will be too expensive, I got news for you: if they both don’t get franchised they will break the bank on the open market. But, again, this is a fun time, one where Monopoly money and no restrictions come into play. All we’re doing now is speculating. I just chose to go first. To me, Asomugha should be the guy. He is one that, if indeed the CBA is hammered out soon, needs to be strongly considered because his upside is off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I salivate at the thought of this but it just won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Fans need to let this fantasy go. It will not happen. I would love it to happen but it won't. Pressure will make the other corners look better. Revis and Aso can only cover two players. A pass rusher can make 3-4 corners look better because th QB can't go through his reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I think it's funny that the world has supposedly passed Al Davis by, but playing man so you could go after the QB was his bread and butter. That's why he aid Asomougha in the first place. One reason this theory isn't that crazy is that I believe that Rex can scheme up a pass rush with worse athletes than he can scheme up coverage. It's a nice happy thought. I'd rather have a first tier CB than a 2nd or 3rd tier pass rusher. It's all going to come down to money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Holy sh*t how sick would our defense be when the QB can't throw for sh*t on either side? SICK SICK SICK ******* INSANE!!!! Rex could blitz all damn game EASY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Holy sh*t how sick would our defense be when the QB can't throw for sh*t on either side? SICK SICK SICK ******* INSANE!!!! Rex could blitz all damn game EASY! I remember hearing this exact same thing when we traded for cromartie. Obviously scrabble is a much more complete player, but I would imagine any catches on him, revis or our 3rd and 4th cbs would have people screaming that we messed up putting so much money into the same position. Edit: But if the money aso is asking for is within a mill of cro, I say you pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 So basically we would triple team your third wide receiver and dare you to throw. I like those chances. All you people who said this is a "passing league" have yet to see Revis and Aso on the same team. One year of that and all hell would break loose. Quarterbacks would be putting up like 50 yards per game against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 "Second, the Jets are a player or two away from winning the Super Bowl" ummmm don't the jets have 17 UFA or FA's ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 we need a pass rusher. not another corner. i heard this same crap when we got cro. yeah it's nice to have breat corners. but a pass rush makes your corners better. yo uneed a pass rush in this league. i dont care how good your corners are they cant cover forever. you cant let a qb sit back in th epocket all day and give him a chance to pick you apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 we need a pass rusher. not another corner. i heard this same crap when we got cro. yeah it's nice to have breat corners. but a pass rush makes your corners better. yo uneed a pass rush in this league. i dont care how good your corners are they cant cover forever. you cant let a qb sit back in th epocket all day and give him a chance to pick you apart. Who's to say we can't get Aso (at the right price) AND upgrade our front 7 this off-season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Who's to say we can't get Aso (at the right price) AND upgrade our front 7 this off-season? lol.....hey i hope we do. maybe we can trade sanchez and sign manning for the right price also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 lol.....hey i hope we do. maybe we can trade sanchez and sign manning for the right price also. You're acting like there isn't a draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 No. Packers and Steelers were in the Super Bowl because they rush the passer, making average-to- good corners look like stars. Take Clay Matthews and James Harrison off those teams and they might not make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeti_knight Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 if we snag aso we could draft a pass rusher at 30 and hit up ropati pitotua marcus dixon pouha devito an bring coleman back so our secondary looks like this revis/aso leonard/pool wilson/coleman/lowery/cole ...wow sounds good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLguerriero1 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah this is a pipe dream, but for everyone that says "we need a pass rusher", yeah who doesn't? There are no dwight freeney's in this draft, and a guy like woodley was really not that impressive in either games against us or in the super bowl. The steelers have both woodley, harrison, and timmons and couldn't get to the QB in the big game. So yeah, it'd be nice to have a pass rush but don't trick yourself into thinking if you get a good outside backer or rush end that suddenly QB's won't have time to throw so yeah, a rush will help the corners... but corners could also help the rush and in rex's system I would think he likes better cover/press corners than straight edge rushers because he likes playing with his blitzes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah this is a pipe dream, but for everyone that says "we need a pass rusher", yeah who doesn't? There are no dwight freeney's in this draft, and a guy like woodley was really not that impressive in either games against us or in the super bowl. The steelers have both woodley, harrison, and timmons and couldn't get to the QB in the big game. So yeah, it'd be nice to have a pass rush but don't trick yourself into thinking if you get a good outside backer or rush end that suddenly QB's won't have time to throw so yeah, a rush will help the corners... but corners could also help the rush and in rex's system I would think he likes better cover/press corners than straight edge rushers because he likes playing with his blitzes Dwight Freeney was projected to go in the mid-20's before Polian sneaked in and took him at 11, to the surprise of many. Mathews was a late first rounder and Harrison was picked up off the street. The players are there, Tannenbaum has to go find them. The Jets under Rex don't lose because they can't cover, they lose because the opposing OC gets the blitz blocked, which allows even mediocre teams to stick around. You get that pass rusher in there to kill drives late in games and all of a sudden it becomes a lot easier to hold on to leads instead of watching teams go on marathon drives in the 4th quarter to make games close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLguerriero1 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The Jets under Rex don't lose because they can't cover, they lose because the opposing OC gets the blitz blocked, which allows even mediocre teams to stick around. You get that pass rusher in there to kill drives late in games and all of a sudden it becomes a lot easier to hold on to leads instead of watching teams go on marathon drives in the 4th quarter to make games close. I agree with you, but who are you suggesting? And don't forget having a guy like Aso on number 2 is going to completely change the game plan regardless, suddenly you can't throw out of two receiver sets, which means the offensive personnel/formations will be tipping play calling which will also make rushing easier. Not to mention how many times have we seen them send a blitz and their is an unblocked man but he comes in too flat and Cole and Pace trip over each other, it's not like we aren't generating a pass rush, we just have idiots running it. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 No way in hell. Without a pass rusher this team will not win a Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Holy sh*t how sick would our defense be when the QB can't throw for sh*t on either side? SICK SICK SICK ******* INSANE!!!! Rex could blitz all damn game EASY! it would be similar to this year.... the 3rd WR and TE would abuse us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 sounds GREAT don't get me wrong, but I would rather spend money and picks on MULTIPLE pass rushers and watch Wilson blossom. Already writing the kid (Wilson) off is completely short-sighted and ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyandthejets Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 we dont NEED asomugha. Yea it would be awesome to stack our secondary, but we dont need him. Adding pass rushers will instantly make cromartie better and revis better than he already is and for much less money than signing asomugha would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 sounds GREAT don't get me wrong, but I would rather spend money and picks on MULTIPLE pass rushers and watch Wilson blossom. Already writing the kid (Wilson) off is completely short-sighted and ridiculous. Nobody is writing him off. Rex uses many defensive schemes where he will be on the field. Id just rather have Revis and Cro at CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I am all for adding pass rushers but..... Who are these pass rushers that we could add? If it's via the draft - ok fine. But the draft is a freekin crap shoot, especially at 30. And a rookie may take a year or two to develop. Were looking for immeidate impact so we can win a Super Bowl. Free Agents? Where's the great pass rusher? There isnt one which means an above average pass rusher (Tamba Hali type) will get paid like an elite one. No thanks. I am not saying Nmandi is a likely signing but it definately has to be explored and then some. Im so sick of hearing that the Jets need to add a pass rusher; they make it sound like these guys grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkiss24 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I am all for adding pass rushers but..... Who are these pass rushers that we could add? If it's via the draft - ok fine. But the draft is a freekin crap shoot, especially at 30. And a rookie may take a year or two to develop. Were looking for immeidate impact so we can win a Super Bowl. Free Agents? Where's the great pass rusher? There isnt one which means an above average pass rusher (Tamba Hali type) will get paid like an elite one. No thanks. I am not saying Nmandi is a likely signing but it definately has to be explored and then some. Im so sick of hearing that the Jets need to add a pass rusher; they make it sound like these guys grow on trees. Agreed, if the jets were passing up on a Julius Peppers i can get the pass rush argument. Who's there? Even if they signed Aso, they could still draft a pass rusher which is what they are going to do since theres minimal talent available. Cro is a very good corner, but theres no comparing him to Aso. It would be an incredible duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 -Cro, Harris +Rodgers, Kris Jenkins, Aso, pass rushing pick Just a thought. Obviously I don't want to dump Cro or Harris but if that's the exchange for Aso, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 lets trade for Justin Tuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Nobody is writing him off. Rex uses many defensive schemes where he will be on the field. Id just rather have Revis and Cro at CBs. Seriously you never awnsered me how much do you think Cro is going to cost? I think atleast 10 million per, you speak like its 4-6 million. Dunta Robinson got over 10 per and Cro will say he is better than him and want a comparable contract, and I say HELL ******* NO to that if your gonna pay a CB 10+ you might as well up it a little and get the 2nd best in the game. (I dont want either, I want to sign BE, and Holmes but thats me trying to keep our most important player progressing in the right direction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrellegivesmeaboner#24 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Who here honestly believes that Nmamdi is going to cost us more than 1-2 mil per year over Cromartie? If that is the case, I almost expect this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Asomugha is a big upgrade over Cromartie. Better cover corner, better person and more versatile. He played safety at Cal and he's not a complete puss when it comes to tackling. The Jets HAVE to kick the tires. It's not like they have Cromartie under contract. It's a longshot, but if the money is close the decision is easy. Hess, nobody is writing off Wilson. They need to sign another corner and the best (or second best) is available, you have to take a shot. Every team's board is discussing this right now. I know that Packers fans think Woodson will move to "cover safety". The good news is that with Cro, Aso and Champ Bailey all FAs, there are options and you aren't stuck in a bidding war for one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Every team's board is discussing this right now. I know that Packers fans think Woodson will move to "cover safety". The good news is that with Cro, Aso and Champ Bailey all FAs, there are options and you aren't stuck in a bidding war for one player. True. Aso has stated that: 1) He wants to play with Revis, and 2) It is between us and Green Bay where he wants to land. And we all know Rex's persuasive powers are strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Why would Aso take one penny less than what Revis is getting? Is that wishful thinking or just wishful thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Why would Aso take one penny less than what Revis is getting? Is that wishful thinking or just wishful thinking? Revis is currently making $11.5 million. I'm fine with giving Aso $11.5000001 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Aso and Revis would make this D very hard to throw on, pass rusher or no pass rusher. Sign Aso, bring in one or two DL from the draft where there's like 12 guys who'd do awesome in this system....me I'm pushing for a Heyward/K. Ellis combo or a Wilkerson/K. Ellis combo...this D would be the best in the history of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Aso and Revis would make this D very hard to throw on, pass rusher or no pass rusher. Sign Aso, bring in one or two DL from the draft where there's like 12 guys who'd do awesome in this system....me I'm pushing for a Heyward/K. Ellis combo or a Wilkerson/K. Ellis combo...this D would be the best in the history of the world. F***ing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Who here honestly believes that Nmamdi is going to cost us more than 1-2 mil per year over Cromartie? If that is the case, I almost expect this to happen. I honestly believe he will cost more than $1-2M more than Cromartie. Revis is currently making $11.5 million. I'm fine with giving Aso $11.5000001 million. Revis probably isn't fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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