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#51 Bleedin Green

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:04 PM

^ tl;dr
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

Matt Moore sucks at playing Quarterback.

Alex Smith isn't a sexy acquisition but he's everything Rex would want out of a QB. High completion percentage and a very nice TD to INT ratio. He's also dealt with all kinds of drama in SF so should be prepared mentally to deal with these vultures in the media.

I never would have thought I'd be hoping for Alex Smith but I think he's the best and most logical choice.


If Rex stays...this is probably the direction the team takes...I'd have to advise caution...he's only had success when teamed with Harbaugh and the one year with Norv as the OC...both offensive guys...so I'm guessing he needs consistent maintenance...not sure Rex is the coach for that...and Sparano/Cavanaugh haven't exactly earned accolades for QB development.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

Neither. Get me 1 of these, in order from most wanted to least:

1. Colin K
2. Cousins
3. [Draft 1st round]
4. Flynn
5. Moore


None of those are happening. Outside chance at 5 maybe, but the rest aren't happening. Neither of the first 2 are moving anywhere, there isn't any QB in the first round worth it this season, and Flynn is owed a bunch of money and so is Sanchez.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

Nein, nein, nein, nein, nein, nein, nein.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

Looks like one (if not both) of them will be available this off-season. If so, who would you like to see in Green & White?


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

Browning Nagle perhaps?
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:38 PM

Who the Jets fan would like to see here, and what we get are usually 2 different things. Based on Woody Johnson's track record for wanting to make big splash back page worthy crap regardless if its good attention, or bad, and the Jets decided to pick up a QB next season from the available pool, there is no doubt in my mind Vick would be the choice, Woody just wouldn't be able to help himself.


Now what the Jets really need to do is make a decision on who the FUTURE QB is going to be, whether they draft one, sign one, or trade for one, and this needs to be a decision that will give said QB 2 years no more, no less to prove he is the right choice, and by that I mean 2013 is a wash, who ever is starting here next year needs to have a new O-Coordinator with a up to date passing NFL offense, and should be given the chance to throw the ball 30-50 times a game, every game while learning the new system, and NEVER told to bring in the reigns, take your lumps, and let whom ever is at QB learn the system, and learn from the mistakes he makes. 2014 if done properly could see the Jets roster have good enough talent everywhere to contend, that is the year the new QB has to show he belongs as the leader of the offense, and prove he has what it takes to take over a game, and win it for you, if after year 2 this does not seem to be the case start over with a new QB, hell with the new CBA you can draft a QB in the 1st round every damn year if you want, the salary's, and guarnateed money won't set your franchise back 5 years like it used to. Funny about the 5 year thing, next year is the 5th year since we drafted Sanchez, and I would bet a lot of money we have our worst season record wise since 2007! I pray its a 1-15 season if its not a playoff team, there are 2 once in a decade players coming out in the 2014 draft (more than likely, both will be eligible to, I highly doubt either risks the chance of injury if their stock is as high as they are right now).



And who would those 2 players be?
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:01 PM

Jets expected to pursue veteran to compete with Sanchez, but Vick unlikely: sources

It's probably safe to cross Michael Vick off the list of potential 2013 Jets quarterbacks.
According to a source, it is highly unlikely that Vick would choose to come to the Jets once the Eagles release him after this season, as expected.
The Jets are likely to be in the market for a veteran quarterback to compete with Mark Sanchez for the starting job next year. It will be difficult for the Jets to release Sanchez because they would sustain a salary cap hit of at least $12.4 million and owe him $8.25 million.
According to several sources, the most likely scenario is Sanchez competing for the starting job with a veteran and either Greg McElroy or someone they draft.
Vick wants to go to a team where he will be the starter, according to a source. If the Jets hold on to Sanchez, that is not a guarantee.
There is also the problem of Vick's price tag. He is expected to get at least $10 million per year, more than the Jets likely can afford. An NFL Network report said Vick would come to the Jets if they paid him more than Sanchez. They will be paying Sanchez $8.25 million unless they find a trading partner willing to pick some of that up, which seems like a near impossibility. So can the Jets pay nearly $20 million for one position with so many other holes?
It is more like the Jets would turn to a veteran like Alex Smith, who the 49ers are expected to dump. League sources said Smith is likely to get around $5 million a year as a free agent.
The Jets are going to have a tough time selling themselves to any quarterback after this dismal season. They are going to need to upgrade the offensive skill positions to attract a proven quarterback.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:43 PM

Cut:
Jason Smith - $12 million
Calvin Pace - $8.56 million
Bart Scott - $7.15 million
Eric Smith - $3 million

Cap Savings - $30.17 million...not a complete fix, but a start
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:53 PM

Big decisions for Woody to make.

The only way that Sanchez can come back is with a new offensive minded HC (think A Smith w/Harbaugh). There is no way Sanchez can come back with Rex - the stadium would erupt at the first interception and there is really no path to success there. So Woody has to chose between keeping Rex and Mark, or just canning both.

If Rex stays then I say go get Alex Smith and draft a developmental player with a big arm.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:24 PM

Big decisions for Woody to make.

The only way that Sanchez can come back is with a new offensive minded HC (think A Smith w/Harbaugh). There is no way Sanchez can come back with Rex - the stadium would erupt at the first interception and there is really no path to success there. So Woody has to chose between keeping Rex and Mark, or just canning both.

If Rex stays then I say go get Alex Smith and draft a developmental player with a big arm.


They won't be able to afford Smith. Some team like the Chiefs or someone will give him Flynn money.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:51 PM

They won't be able to afford Smith. Some team like the Chiefs or someone will give him Flynn money.

You really think the cheifs are stupid enough to do Matt Cassell 2?

Edited by unbanmadmike1, 19 December 2012 - 09:51 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:55 PM

You really think the cheifs are stupid enough to do Matt Cassell 2?


Depends on who they bring in to be GM. The talent in the first round won't warrant where they'll pick for QB. I bet they go after someone like him.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:05 PM

Alex Smith will get you 9 wins a year for three years, at which point you decide your team needs a better QB to get you over the hump, and you've wasted three years.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:07 PM

Alex Smith will get you 9 wins a year for three years, at which point you decide your team needs a better QB to get you over the hump, and you've wasted three years.

Yup. Pretty much.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:08 PM

They won't be able to afford Smith. Some team like the Chiefs or someone will give him Flynn money.


There are only 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL. Teams that need starters: KC, Buf, Jax, Oak, Arizona, NYJ.

Jax almost has to take Tebow.

That leaves 5 teams with openings.

Buffalo wants to draft their franchise QB, so no Smith there.

Oakland is Oakland so let's rule them out as a destination.

That leaves KC, Arizona, NYJ.

So basically the Jets are competing with 2 other teams for Alex Smith and depending on who the HC and OC are I think the Jets are a fairly attractive destination.

Arizona would make a great home for Sanchez. Great wr's, an offensive minded coach, and a low stress environment.

Edited by LionelRichie, 19 December 2012 - 10:12 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:10 PM

Alex Smith will get you 9 wins a year for three years, at which point you decide your team needs a better QB to get you over the hump, and you've wasted three years.


Alex Smith was a fumbled punt away from the Super Bowl last year and probably a concussion away this year.

If this Jets team had Alex Smith as QB they would be a 10-12 win team this season and we'd be talking about their chances to win the AFC.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:10 PM

There are only 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL. Teams that need starters: KC, Buf, Jax, Oak, Arizona, NYJ.

Jax almost has to take Tebow.

That leaves 5 teams with openings.

Buffalo wants to draft their franchise QB, so Smith there.

Oakland is Oakland so let's rule them out as a destination.

That leaves KC, Arizona, NYJ.

So basically the Jets are competing with 2 other teams for Alex Smith and depending on who the HC and OC are I think the Jets are a fairly attractive destination.

Arizona would make a great home for Sanchez. Great wr's, an offensive minded coach, and a low stress environment.

If the Jets compete for that JAG with anyone it will be a total disaster.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:12 PM

Alex Smith was a fumbled punt away from the Super Bowl last year and probably a concussion away this year.

If this Jets team had Alex Smith as QB they would be a 10-12 win team this season and we'd be talking about their chances to win the AFC.

With the best D in the NFL, with a great running game and O line and the best offensive coaching staff in the NFL (who benched him the next year because they know he's just not that good)

Edited by unbanmadmike1, 19 December 2012 - 10:12 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:12 PM

Alex Smith will get you 9 wins a year for three years, at which point you decide your team needs a better QB to get you over the hump, and you've wasted three years.


Alex Smith would have won 10-11 games with this team. I really thought Sanchez would turn it around but he's been a complete disaster this year and it's gotten steadily worse.

If the Mac Attack is worth a sh-t you get Alex Smith with Mc as your # 2 then draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the 14' draft.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

If the Jets compete for that JAG with anyone it will be a total disaster.


Try to put this in perspective - Alex Smith threw 5 int's in 9 games this season. That is 1 more int than Sanchez threw on Monday night. If Rex Ryan is the HC of the NYJ next season then Alex Smith is the perfect QB.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

There are only 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL. Teams that need starters: KC, Buf, Jax, Oak, Arizona, NYJ.

Jax almost has to take Tebow.

That leaves 5 teams with openings.

Buffalo wants to draft their franchise QB, so Smith there.

Oakland is Oakland so let's rule them out as a destination.

That leaves KC, Arizona, NYJ.

So basically the Jets are competing with 2 other teams for Alex Smith and depending on who the HC and OC are I think the Jets are a fairly attractive destination.

Arizona would make a great home for Sanchez. Great wr's, an offensive minded coach, and a low stress environment.


Alex Smith will want to get paid. He has had success the last two seasons. He'll want something similar to what Flynn got. How can the Jets afford take and bail on Sanchez?

Also, I only want a one or two year stop gap to bring in and then draft a QB of the future for 2014, if they even get rid of Sanchez which isn't a given. Smith will want multiple years.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:16 PM

Alex Smith would have won 10-11 games with this team. I really thought Sanchez would turn it around but he's been a complete disaster this year and it's gotten steadily worse.

If the Mac Attack is worth a sh-t you get Alex Smith with Mc as your # 2 then draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the 14' draft.


Is Alex Smith bringing Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and that above average receiving corps with him? Alex Smith doesn't make anyone better around him. I'm tired of game managers. This team needs a game changer.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:17 PM

Try to put this in perspective - Alex Smith threw 5 int's in 9 games this season. That is 1 more int than Sanchez threw on Monday night. If Rex Ryan is the HC of the NYJ next season then Alex Smith is the perfect QB.

He also made zero hard throws. If Smith is Rex's perfect QB you don't want either.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:20 PM

Is Alex Smith bringing Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and that above average receiving corps with him? Alex Smith doesn't make anyone better around him. I'm tired of game managers. This team needs a game changer.


but there's no one available.

Smith wouldn't have to make anyone better.. he'd just have to complete the passes that Mark seemingly can't.

A returning Holmes along with a rededicated BE, 2nd year Hill, and JK in the slot is really not that bad. Say goodbye to Greene, split carries with Bilal, Mcknight, and a draft pick. Re-sign Keller on the cheap and shore up the O-line.

I really don't see the disaster in 13' that many here are predicting.

Edited by Pac, 19 December 2012 - 10:22 PM.

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