Gastineau Lives Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Ah, you got me. Silly, isn't it? If you're not completely enamored of every thing that Idzik has done so far, you're an Idzik hater. It's bullsh*t. Forgive me for my uncertainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 so nobody has said he is going to have to spend "brewsters millions" next year ? got it was it you ? Nope totally did. It's called an analogy. They're usually on the hyperbolic side but have a shred of truth. Do you even remember what it was in response to, or does context not matter either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Nope totally did. It's called an analogy. They're usually on the hyperbolic side but have a shred of truth. Do you even remember what it was in response to, or does context not matter either? idzik sucks ? I've seen the movie, and I understand the reference to the cap floor. I just have a calendar and I can see it's 4/7/2014 and there is still time to put together a roster. I just think the over reaction to the handful of FA's that idzik didn't sign is funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Good read. Hopefully, he hits pay dirt in this draft and lays the foundation for a perennial contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 idzik sucks ? I've seen the movie, and I understand the reference to the cap floor. I just have a calendar and I can see it's 4/7/2014 and there is still time to put together a roster. I just think the over reaction to the handful of FA's that idzik didn't sign is funny I don't have a problem with what Idzik has done so far. I have a problem with the dick sucking in response to what Idzik hasn't done, namely, be Mike Tannenbaum. I also have a problem with the idea that this way of doing business is in the least bit sustainable with no flexibility at all. I also have a problem with the idea that somehow by year four we will be poised to make a Super Bowl run and then Idzik can spend his little ass off. Maybe I'm doing some misinterpreting of my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 what you see as fellatio I see as a response to the over reaction and panic. The first few days of FA were comedy gold. Then it started to get really annoying, every FA thread was just lame. I think the board just had enough of the nonsense. I like idzik's stated approach about building through the draft, but I think the results could be better. I was hoping for a starting guard in FA. I think "no flexibility at all" is a silly generalization. nobody here has any idea how the negotiations have gone except that some agents were pissed he didn't give them mega-deals and leaked it to Mehta and cimini who have turned it into a narrative from circus to cheap we go ! If he doesn't re-sign core players to long term deals, then I will pick up my pitch fork and let him have it until then, one month at a time, he could spend a ton of money tonight on CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 what you see as fellatio I see as a response to the over reaction and panic. The first few days of FA were comedy gold. Then it started to get really annoying, every FA thread was just lame. I think the board just had enough of the nonsense. I like idzik's stated approach about building through the draft, but I think the results could be better. I was hoping for a starting guard in FA. I think "no flexibility at all" is a silly generalization. nobody here has any idea how the negotiations have gone except that some agents were pissed he didn't give them mega-deals and leaked it to Mehta and cimini who have turned it into a narrative from circus to cheap we go ! If he doesn't re-sign core players to long term deals, then I will pick up my pitch fork and let him have it until then, one month at a time, he could spend a ton of money tonight on CJ I mean flexibility in the perceived approach. I don't have a clue how flexible he is in negotiations. About CJ, you're right. He may spend money on him and some people will see it as very "un-Idzik". Did I want Desean Jackson? Of course I did. Am I already over it? Of course I am. Did I want a guard? Yup. Am I over it? Yup. Did I want a cornerback? Yes. Am I over it? Yeah. Do I want the Jets to spend to the ceiling? Nope. Am I comfortable with them being 27 mil under the cap in hopes of making a Super Bowl run in 2016? Not exactly, but what choice do I have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 a team full of all michael jordans would dominate....that was a bad example. that like saying that a team full of tom seavers and ted williams wouldnt win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I mean flexibility in the perceived approach. I don't have a clue how flexible he is in negotiations. About CJ, you're right. He may spend money on him and some people will see it as very "un-Idzik". Did I want Desean Jackson? Of course I did. Am I already over it? Of course I am. Did I want a guard? Yup. Am I over it? Yup. Did I want a cornerback? Yes. Am I over it? Yeah. Do I want the Jets to spend to the ceiling? Nope. Am I comfortable with them being 27 mil under the cap in hopes of making a Super Bowl run in 2016? Not exactly, but what choice do I have? Are you asking questions just to answer them yourself? Of course you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Are you asking questions just to answer them yourself? Of course you are. I aspire to multiple personality disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Not saying I don't think he's off to a strong start but you can't have a serious discussion with this kind of fanboy optimism starting it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I aspire to multiple personality disorder. See, these kinds of missed opportunities are what prevents you from taking your posting to the next level. Your response should have been: Do I aspire to having multiple personality disorder? Yes I do. No, no I don't. Shut up. No, you shut up. Make me. I make you every day. This is all Idzik's fault. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 See, these kinds of missed opportunities are what prevents you from taking your posting to the next level. Your response should have been: Do I aspire to having multiple personality disorder? Yes I do. No, no I don't. Shut up. No, you shut up. Make me. I make you every day. This is all Idzik's fault. I agree. See, this is why you are Sperm Edwards and the rest of us are...the rest of us are...goddamn it, help me out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 See, this is why you are Sperm Edwards and the rest of us are...the rest of us are...goddamn it, help me out here. ...the rest of you are just on your way to see the wizard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Not sure I know how to act as a fan of a great team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 ...the rest of you are just on your way to see the wizard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Was that comic strip ever funny? I can't remember laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Oh boy looks like I will have to start training now. This is going to hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Cap floor is over a 4 year period. We're in year two. Year four is when we would try to make our first run at the super bowl. It's not rocket surgery to figure this kind of stuff out. Rocket surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Rocket surgery? What with interplanetary travel being taken over by the private sector, I can totally see this being a realistic job-opportunity in the not-so distant future. I'm gonna get Richard Branson on the horn this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Was that comic strip ever funny? I can't remember laughing. As funny as a Wizard of Idzik press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 As funny as a Wizard of Idzik press conference. Mmm. Better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Rocket surgery? Brain scientist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Idzik is building a mediocre to subpar team.the only thing thats great on this team is the defense thanks to rex ryan not Idzik thats for sure.what has idzik done to make everyone think he's doing a good job? He has done very little the cheapskate he is as general manager. I expect more losing from the jets due to awful decision making on freeagents & signing 1 quality reciever thats it.thats my opinion.this team is going to do their same old thing which is underachieving & having the defense bail them out of trouble. Another .500 season or below .500 season is probably going to happen.i just know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jets GM John Idzik: Truly A Mad Scientist? BY SEAN LESTER DURHAM - Jets GM John Idzik has had a somewhat……..well……….. timid off-season, if you will. If you ask, some people would tell you that it has only been “timid” in the eyes of the impatient, success starving and sometimes ignorant group of Jets fans and that’s seemingly OK if you take for it is, part of the process. It’s a process that includes one GM that has decided to utilize and stand by a certain “method.” Method: “a systematic procedure, technique, or mode of inquiry employed by or proper to a particular discipline or art.” Seems Idzik is mad, but if you look closely, like really closely, like “squinting your eyes while moving your head closer” closely, there seem to be a method to this madness. John Idzik might seem mad, but not in the way that warrants concern, but in my opinion, in a way that warrants intrigue and eyebrow raising curiosity. I’m not getting a “mad with power” feeling from him, as much as I’m getting a “mad with a firm and unmovable method” sentiment from him. Seems Idzik is dead set on sticking with this “method” and I for one may not fully understand it, but I applaud it. Without going into details, lets just say that the Jets previous GM, though he had some success as the Jets GM, didn’t really utilize a method of any kind. Can we all agree on that? For the most part, John Idzik, whether you agree or disagree with what he’s done thus far, has had his moves or non-moves if you will, questioned, debated, tossed around, slandered and praised ad nauseum. Methods aren’t perfect, they aren’t supposed to be. They don’t always yield the results wanted and they are always up for debate from those that are for and against. They are meant to maintain order, structure and stability to maintain long-term success for whatever you’re utilizing the method for. It’s just the way it works, the way it will always work and John Idzik appears to be utilizing a method that is not only hard to decipher, but it has become a polarizing issue within JetNation, yet it’s one that when you step back and examine it logically, makes sense and provides a sense of hope for the Jets long-term success. Here’s what Idzik has done the past two off seasons; - Traded Darrelle Revis - Drafted the top rated DT and DROY in the 2013 NFL Draft inSheldon Richardson - Drated the consensus top rated QB in Geno Smith - Drafted the consensus top rated CB in Dee Milliner - Traded for RB Chris Ivory. - Signed Kellen Winslow - Signed Ed Reed - Signed David Nelson - Released Mark Sanchez - Signed the WR that led the league in deep passes (catches) last season in Eric Decker - Signed FA RB Chris Johnson to a two-year, $8 mil deal These are the notable moves made by Idzik in the past two seasons. What do these moves tell you? Not much, aside from the fact that you have a GM that doesn’t like sitting idly twiddling his thumbs. The method is not something that you can put your finger on. It’s not something that you’ll see a pattern start to form within. A method can’t be touched or seen, it’s almost like faith, you have to believe that its working even though you can’t put your hands on it. Building through the draft is a part of the method being used by John Idzik, but it’s a small part considering it takes more than a draft to put together a sustainable, successful NFL franchise. I love most of the things John Idzik has done. There are other moves I would’ve preferred for him to make that he didn’t and there are a few moves I would love for him to make in April’s draft, but I understand when on the outside looking in, my perspective may not align with the method Idzik is utilizing and that is something that is understandable. The overall goal for John Idzik should be to win the Superbowl and maintain some level of consistent, long-term success. The short-term goal for him should be to win the AFC East and the only way to do that is to responsibly and methodically put together a roster that can not only challenge the Patriots, but that can eventually surpass them. This is the way to do it in my opinion, methodically, not irresponsibly by making rash decisions fueled primarily by pressure from the fans. Both the high praise and bashing of John Idzik has been premature and anyone that can’t agree to that is an extremist no matter what side they stand on. The method being utilized to turn this Jets franchise around takes time to build something that is worth it. It takes time to do it right for the most part. Yes, in the NFL things can and sometimes happen very quickly. Successful franchises no longer need five seasons to get where they need to go, three at the max. This method Idzik is using can’t be figured out and it’s not supposed to be, that’s something only he should know, but the fact that we see a method at work here should be somewhat comforting to Jets fans. The moves that Idzik didn’t make are about as important to me as the ones that he did. Case in point, I know and you know that the Jets need a playmaker at WR, but does John Idzik know this? Considering he had Tavon Austin at the top of his draft board last season and was ready to pounce on Jeremy Maclin this offseason, it’s safe to say he does. Wouldn’t you agree? Whether Idzik utilizes the “best player available approach” to the draft or not isn’t important, considering it brought the Jets the DROY and some solid prospects with great upside, I’d say if that’s the way he wants to go, have at it. Method, using one calls for patience when trying to build something that is tough, sustainable and worth something. We know it takes time, impatience is something we’re all guilty of, but know this; it takes about 13 hours to build a Toyota and 6 months to build a Rolls Royce. Which one would you wait for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Lets just hope this 5 year building plan doesn't turn into the 10 year plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Idzik is such a beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Until they hoist the Lombardi he has built nothing. I like what he's doing but the ultimate goal hasn't been achieved yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Sorry, page won't allow me to copy/paste. NY Jets GM John Idzik has had a marvelous offseason so far. http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/04/18/new-york-jets-gm-john-idzik-has-had-a-marvelous-offseason-thus-far/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 i'll wait till i see them play some games before i start saying they are great.......because its just as likely that geno still sucks, vick is worthless, decker doesn't do much with geno smith throwing the ball, and chris johnson is just a close to 30 runningback in the vein of jets era tomlinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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