32EBoozer Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://overthecap.com/jets-2015-salary-cap-outlook/ (Really don't like the new format of Jason's website) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jets 2015 Salary Cap Outlook Posted onJanuary 7, 2015 by Jason FitzgeraldEstimated 2015 Cap Space: $49.8 million ($140M cap limit) Roster Overview Players Under Contract: 52 Pro Bowlers: 1 Unrestricted Free Agents: 14(4 with 50%+ playtime) Draft Selection: 6 Salary Cap BreakdownFree Agents to Re-sign Defensive tackle Damon Harrison is one of the best bargains in the NFL and is a must keep for the Jets. He will be a restricted free agent this offseason so they will likely start with a second round tender, which will eat up over $2 million in space, and go from there. If they can extend him in the ballpark of $5 million a year they should strongly consider it. Even if just from a PR standpoint an extension for “Snacks” would help the new general manager start off with an aggressive and popular move…Leger Douzable is a nice backup player that can provide some pressure on the interior. He signed for $1 million last year and should get a small raise in 2015….John Conner played well in his return to the Jets and is worth keeping to compete for the position, though it would be dependent on the new offensive system utilizing a fullback.Free Agents to Let Walk Linebacker David Harris showed flashes early in his career of being a difference maker, but never really played to the level after signing his extension. The Jets need to get younger and faster, which they will not do by bringing Harris back. If he was to come back it should only be on a one year contract and my guess is he could get a better deal elsewhere…Kyle Wilson has been a disappointment for the Jets and has no place on the team moving forward…Michael Vick showed no desire to play when the Jets gave him an opportunity and is definitely not the answer for the team, even as a stopgap starter. Contracts to Modify Percy Harvin has a $10.5 million salary in 2015 and a bloated contract in general. While he is not worth the contract, he has talent and the Jets are devoid of it making him a must keep, unless they are certain they can get one of the big names in free agency. This is probably a great opportunity to bring his contract in line with the market by guaranteeing this year’s salary in return for moderate salaries in the future….Defensive End Muhammad Wilkerson is not coming off the kind of season he had in 2013, which should make for an easier negotiation. If they work quickly to extend him they can roll his $6.969 million salary into his new contract guarantee, giving them more long term protection if he plays poorly. It’s a hard position to gauge but he will likely end up as an $11M-$12M a year player and the Jets gain nothing by waiting to extend him.Players to Consider Releasing Running back Chris Johnson has had a few moments where he has looked productive and others where he looks washed up. He’ll be a major distraction if he is back next season and not the starter so they need to just cut ties with him. They will save $3.5 million in cap space by cutting him…Jeff Cumberland was brought back when things were uncertain at the tight end position, but Jace Amaro is the future in New York and Cumberland is inconsistent. He will earn $1.9 million next year, which isn’t much, but he likely doesn’t fit into the team’s future….With Rex Ryan gone one would imagine that Calvin Pace will strongly consider retirement. Pace has a $2.125M salary in 2015 that can be avoided by not picking up his option.Offseason Plan The Jets have not had a successful draft period since the 2006/07 seasons. That has depleted their roster of good young talent outside of a few first round picks. When you look for key positions in place to build around the Jets have few. They have the defensive line in place but need a quarterback, cornerback, outside linebacker(or pass rushing DE if they switch defenses), wide receiver and, soon, left tackle to rebuild the core of the team. They need a new approach to their draft process and a bit of luck to get those positions in place. The Jets have either avoided big ticket players or approached those players passively under John Idzik, and it’s probable that their next hire will have the exact opposite philosophy since Idzik was arguably the least popular person associated with the Jets among the fan base since Rich Kotite. The Jets are lagging behind the rest of the NFL in spending and have two years to catch up so it is likely they begin now considering they will have over $50 million in cap space and that is with Harvin on the roster. Unfortunately for the Jets many of the strengths in free agency this year don’t really mesh with their needs. Much like Oakland and other teams without a great talent base the Jets need to avoid free agents that are going to skew towards the older side of the age spectrum. With the Raiders and Browns both having large cap surpluses expect the Jets to be very aggressive with their offers to make sure they get the players they want even if it means spending a few extra dollars. I would expect the team to target a pass rushers, 2nd tier corner, running back, backup QB and guard in free agency. Someone like a Jerry Hughes would be a great fit as he is young and productive but it is doubtful the Bills would ever let him walk away. There should be a number of running backs valuable and I would think the Jets would be in play on Mike Iupati at guard, though he may have less shelf life than others. With Idzik out it would not surprise me if the Jets consider finding a right tackle this year to upgrade over Breno Giacomini. Giacomini might be able to slide over to guard for the year if they made such a move. The Jets will have the 6th pick in the draft and that could present an interesting scenario. They might need to make a trade if they want to draft a QB, but with so many holes on the roster he would have to be an exceptional prospect to make the trade. I’m not sure that prospect exists this year. Negatively if you don’t grab a QB then 2015 becomes some combination of Geno Smith and a Matt Moore type. They could also trade down to try to gain more picks. I would think if they cant make a move in the draft they want to come away with some combination of receiver, cornerback, defensive end/outside linebacker, inside linebacker, or offensive lineman in those first three rounds of the draft. The Jets really need to hit on those first three picks to begin what looks to be a long process of the getting a strong enought team to get back to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Question to the board. Would a designated June 1st cut on Harvin late in the FA process help pressure him to re-work hid deal to be more team friendly? Can't pay him $10mil... I'd give him a 2yr. $14mil contract which would guarantee his $10 mil this season with a $5 mil signing bonus Of course that means we give up a 4th round pick... but if we trade down out of the 6th spot we will be able to garner additional picks I am not in love with Marriota or Winston and if 1 of them is there, I'd consider trading out of the pick if there is a taker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's truly scary how much $ we have tied up in an offensive line that basically stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 This team is set up to upgrade big-time this off-season. Cannot wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Question to the board. Would a designated June 1st cut on Harvin late in the FA process help pressure him to re-work hid deal to be more team friendly? Can't pay him $10mil... I'd give him a 2yr. $14mil contract which would guarantee his $10 mil this season with a $5 mil signing bonus Of course that means we give up a 4th round pick... but if we trade down out of the 6th spot we will be able to garner additional picks I am not in love with Marriota or Winston and if 1 of them is there, I'd consider trading out of the pick if there is a taker. We can cut Harvin whenever we want. His $10.5 million doesn't become guaranteed until/unless he's on the roster to start the season. He can be designated a June cut before the 6th round pick to Seattle upgrades to a 4th. I think we can do that with up to 2 players per season, but can't remember for certain. The issue - or purported issue - is that Harvin has said he refuses to take a pay cut from his $10.5 number. Now whether he's referring to that as the number to collect in 2015, or the number he collects in 2015 that is totally assigned to 2015 (i.e. he may or may not be objecting to new 2015 signing bonus $ that will necessarily make his future salaries much, much lower). And it may also just be Harvin posturing as a negotiating tactic, which I can hardly fault him for. Not sure what the question is, but if we cut him (designate him 6/1 cut or otherwise), we retain no more rights to him than anyone else. He can talk to anyone, not just the Jets. In that case, we'd only re-sign him if we were the top bidder (or close enough where the allure of playing for the Jets is worth the difference, lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Oh, and to Jason's new site format: I'm a big fan of the MUCH faster way one can now jump from year to year without the need to wait for a page to reload. That was the one thing that made navigating the old format tedious at times. Minor glitch on the future (post-2015) seasons if using the drop down thing to see cap numbers if the player is cut pre/post-June 1st. Works for the upcoming 2015 season fine, though. Overall, I'm a huge fan of his site. I think most are (provided they're aware of it in the first place), and I know it's a thorn in his side that so many rip off info without a link back to him or acknowledgement that's where the info came from. I can't imagine how many hours he must have taken to put all this together for every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangisGreen Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I for one do not want Harvin, he is always hurt and misses way to much time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smaxor5 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://overthecap.com/jets-2015-salary-cap-outlook/ (Really don't like the new format of Jason's website) Agree 100%. It's horrible. You can't even sort the numbers!! So annoying. /Vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I for one do not want Harvin, he is always hurt and misses way to much time. and how much time did he miss this year after the trade? He is a dynamic play maker. He just needs his salery adjusted. As for the pick, no problem giving up a 4th for a playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangisGreen Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 and how much time did he miss this year after the trade? He is a dynamic play maker. He just needs his salery adjusted. As for the pick, no problem giving up a 4th for a playmaker. 2012-9 Games played 2013-1 Game played 2014- 13 games played After he was traded he was playing for a contract and still missed time, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I for one do not want Harvin, he is always hurt and misses way to much time. I agree but Amari Cooper is probably not falling to us at 6 and I doubt we will be able to sign Demariyus Thomas. I say draft Scherff and sign Iupati. Marshawn Lynch will be available after Seattle cuts him. Lynch/Ivory running behind what would be a top 3 O-line would help whoever the qb is. Defenses would be stacking the box every play leaving Decker and Harvin in single coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Douzable seems like a guy we'd be better off letting go for the comp pick rather than actually paying him. He's a nice player to have but that's the one unit that doesn't need to pay anyone else any more than we have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De-Jet-Erate/Duane Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I agree but Amari Cooper is probably not falling to us at 6 and I doubt we will be able to sign Demariyus Thomas. I say draft Scherff and sign Iupati. Marshawn Lynch will be available after Seattle cuts him. Lynch/Ivory running behind what would be a top 3 O-line would help whoever the qb is. Defenses would be stacking the box every play leaving Decker and Harvin in single coverage. I agree with almost everything you said. I know Lynch is an explosive guy but we have other areas of need before running back. I think Ivory/Powell can get the job done and use that money to fill other ares of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I agree with almost everything you said. I know Lynch is an explosive guy but we have other areas of need before running back. I think Ivory/Powell can get the job done and use that money to fill other ares of need. I know it's counterintuitive to go after Lynch when we already have Ivory but Lynch running behind an improved O-line would make whoever the qb is that much better. If you watch Seattle's games and I have seen plenty the last several years he makes that entire offense. I doubt Wilson has the career he has so far without Lynch. Plus we'd be the perfect destination for him because we wouldn't need to rely on him for 25+ reps per game since we also have Ivory. His career would be extended another 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I agree with almost everything you said. I know Lynch is an explosive guy but we have other areas of need before running back. I think Ivory/Powell can get the job done and use that money to fill other ares of need. Powell is a FA. Johnson is under contract, but it is questionable whether anybody would want him back. I think he ran hard for the most part, but he is probably more of a distraction than he is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Powell is a FA. Johnson is under contract, but it is questionable whether anybody would want him back. I think he ran hard for the most part, but he is probably more of a distraction than he is worth. Johnson is getting cut to save an additional $3.5 mil in cap room. Powell is mediocre. Yes if we sign Iupati and draft Scherff Blair Thomas could run for 1,000 yards behind our O-line but Lynch is a legitimate game-changer. I would love to see him sh*t on Belichick's defense for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Douzable seems like a guy we'd be better off letting go for the comp pick rather than actually paying him. He's a nice player to have but that's the one unit that doesn't need to pay anyone else any more than we have to. Wouldn't any comp picks be offset with our own FA signings though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The last two years have pretty definitively proven that building through the draft doesn't work, so I say let's go spend a bunch of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Too bad this year FA class sucks. Since we're running a 4-3 (just by going by our candiadents) we should probably target Greg Hardy. Hardy, Richardson, Wilkerson and Coples. No way Piere Paul going to hit FA. Mike Iupati would be a great addition. We need a stop gap CB in Byron Maxwell. Most importantly we should be taking car of our own. I wonder what a guy like Crabtree would command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I for one do not want Harvin, he is always hurt and misses way to much time. Agree 100%. It's horrible. You can't even sort the numbers!! So annoying. /Vent Harvin is a proven commodity at WR/KR unlike the guys we draft 2014 NFL draft we drafted how many WRs they all SUCKED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wouldn't any comp picks be offset with our own FA signings though? Give yourself an "A".... You are correct. When Ellis gets signed elsewhere, any Comp pick will be diminished by the the signing of a comparable FA I'm sure we will sign more FA than other teams will be lining up to sign ours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Douzable seems like a guy we'd be better off letting go for the comp pick rather than actually paying him. He's a nice player to have but that's the one unit that doesn't need to pay anyone else any more than we have to. wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wouldn't any comp picks be offset with our own FA signings though? Sure, but what's the point in signing anyone to replace him? Just draft another mid-late rounder, or even a UDFA and coach him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 We can cut Harvin whenever we want. His $10.5 million doesn't become guaranteed until/unless he's on the roster to start the season. He can be designated a June cut before the 6th round pick to Seattle upgrades to a 4th. I think we can do that with up to 2 players per season, but can't remember for certain. The issue - or purported issue - is that Harvin has said he refuses to take a pay cut from his $10.5 number. Now whether he's referring to that as the number to collect in 2015, or the number he collects in 2015 that is totally assigned to 2015 (i.e. he may or may not be objecting to new 2015 signing bonus $ that will necessarily make his future salaries much, much lower). And it may also just be Harvin posturing as a negotiating tactic, which I can hardly fault him for. Not sure what the question is, but if we cut him (designate him 6/1 cut or otherwise), we retain no more rights to him than anyone else. He can talk to anyone, not just the Jets. In that case, we'd only re-sign him if we were the top bidder (or close enough where the allure of playing for the Jets is worth the difference, lol). The jets can cut his pay and still offer the most attractive deal to him. But now that he has made 25 mill over the last two season, he is in a positon to take less money to play where he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The jets can cut his pay and still offer the most attractive deal to him. But now that he has made 25 mill over the last two season, he is in a positon to take less money to play where he wants. Perhaps. I couldn't say what he would or wouldn't do. He may feel some desperate semi-contender might overpay more than that based on hoping he'll visit the fountain of 2010. It's not like he's old so he can absolutely still rebound and have more very good seasons left. We have plenty of space to keep him this year at his current number. That's not the problem. The problem is if a left tackle is going to play at a meh/inconsistent level then that needs to be offset by better play at another position that is otherwise meh. It's not just that it's 2 seasons. It's that it's the past 2 seasons, which can be construed as a downward trend that may continue and be even worse. It's better to get out a year earlier than a year or more too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Give yourself an "A".... You are correct. When Ellis gets signed elsewhere, any Comp pick will be diminished by the the signing of a comparable FA I'm sure we will sign more FA than other teams will be lining up to sign ours! Ellis is one guy that we do not have to replace. We already have Snacks and I actually like what Barnes showed in limited snaps. I don't think any team needs 3 guys over 350 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 We can cut Harvin whenever we want. His $10.5 million doesn't become guaranteed until/unless he's on the roster to start the season. He can be designated a June cut before the 6th round pick to Seattle upgrades to a 4th. I think we can do that with up to 2 players per season, but can't remember for certain. The issue - or purported issue - is that Harvin has said he refuses to take a pay cut from his $10.5 number. Now whether he's referring to that as the number to collect in 2015, or the number he collects in 2015 that is totally assigned to 2015 (i.e. he may or may not be objecting to new 2015 signing bonus $ that will necessarily make his future salaries much, much lower). And it may also just be Harvin posturing as a negotiating tactic, which I can hardly fault him for. Not sure what the question is, but if we cut him (designate him 6/1 cut or otherwise), we retain no more rights to him than anyone else. He can talk to anyone, not just the Jets. In that case, we'd only re-sign him if we were the top bidder (or close enough where the allure of playing for the Jets is worth the difference, lol). Good info Sperm. Horrible trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Perhaps. I couldn't say what he would or wouldn't do. He may feel some desperate semi-contender might overpay more than that based on hoping he'll visit the fountain of 2010. It's not like he's old so he can absolutely still rebound and have more very good seasons left. We have plenty of space to keep him this year at his current number. That's not the problem. The problem is if a left tackle is going to play at a meh/inconsistent level then that needs to be offset by better play at another position that is otherwise meh. It's not just that it's 2 seasons. It's that it's the past 2 seasons, which can be construed as a downward trend that may continue and be even worse. It's better to get out a year earlier than a year or more too late. Just because you can afford a $20 hamburger doesn't make it worth it. The combination of keeping him on the books at ten mill and giving up the 100th pick in the draft far execeds his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsmanjb Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 We gotta resign John Conner and let everyone else go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just because you can afford a $20 hamburger doesn't make it worth it. The combination of keeping him on the books at ten mill and giving up the 100th pick in the draft far execeds his value. Well, when you put it that way....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Oh, and to Jason's new site format: I'm a big fan of the MUCH faster way one can now jump from year to year without the need to wait for a page to reload. That was the one thing that made navigating the old format tedious at times. Minor glitch on the future (post-2015) seasons if using the drop down thing to see cap numbers if the player is cut pre/post-June 1st. Works for the upcoming 2015 season fine, though. Overall, I'm a huge fan of his site. I think most are (provided they're aware of it in the first place), and I know it's a thorn in his side that so many rip off info without a link back to him or acknowledgement that's where the info came from. I can't imagine how many hours he must have taken to put all this together for every team. Well said, Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Douzable seems like a guy we'd be better off letting go for the comp pick rather than actually paying him. He's a nice player to have but that's the one unit that doesn't need to pay anyone else any more than we have to. We won't get any comp picks in 2016. We have too much cash that has to be spent (to abide by the new CBA). That means we'll be getting 2-3 big name FAs. That doesn't mean we won't be able to get comp picks. Chances are too low plus what's a 1.5 mil on a good backup?_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 What's the opinion on Colt McCoy? He's a UFA this year apparently. Im personally not sold on Winston or Marriota. The 2nd round guys might be reaches. What I'm saying is I don't think there's a franchise QB this year. I don't think he's awful. Haven't seen him mentioned too much here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Well said, Jason. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 What's the opinion on Colt McCoy? He's a UFA this year apparently. Im personally not sold on Winston or Marriota. The 2nd round guys might be reaches. What I'm saying is I don't think there's a franchise QB this year. I don't think he's awful. Haven't seen him mentioned too much here. I'd be more on board with McCoy than trading a draft pick to TB as some have suggested on this board. Glennon would likely cost us a 3rd or 4th rd. pick. Sign McCoy or Matt Moore and let them battle Geno for starting gig along with whoever you take in this yrs. draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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