Larz Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Casserly knows. He helped hire these guys. exactly. he needs to shut his mouth. unless he is putting smoke out for us, in which case carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Like, intentionally taking the second? Even if the first is still on the board? Yea, because f*ck convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Warmer. They're similar in that sense. Ansah is even more of a rare athlete in that he's a true movement guy at that size where most prospects with real DE size are speed-to-power types like Dupree. Orakpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Beasley = Khalil Mack with better measurables and better college production. Is that worth a top six? Beasleys best comp is clay Matthews IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Orakpo Disco. We also would have accepted 'Who is Shawne Merriman?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes... Maybin and Gholsten were exactly the same. reduce risk.... a 1st round player that doesn't contribute sets us back. Milner, Pryor etc. I am tired of potential. I wouldn't draft him in the 1st 20 picks. Risk if he being manhandled in the NFL IMO is good. Agreed. Draft the high college production guys - like Jarvis Jones, Trent Richardson, etc. - and there's no bust potential at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Good research call it was a tough schedule: http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/kty-m-footbl-sched.html but Kentucky got hammered, giving up over 40 points in 5 of the last 6 games, taking Florida to OT and beating SC are the only big "wins" At the end of that day it's a gamble, very few (if any) safe bets in this draft If judging qbs by team wins is inane, what is judging an olb by team performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doggin dropping hammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Disco. We also would have accepted 'Who is Shawne Merriman?' Unfortunately, from now on I will picture you as Mia Wallace from Pulp Fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Agreed. Draft the high college production guys - like Jarvis Jones, Trent Richardson, etc. - and there's no bust potential at all. Total risk prevention is impossible... risk management is a process. I get your point but I am tired of hearing about players who "after being NFL coached" will be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Total risk prevention is impossible... risk management is a process. I get your point but I am tired of hearing about players who "after being NFL coached" will be great. Yeah, i get that. But the bottom line is all draft decisions are about potential and projection. Skills and tools are more important than production, and there are no guarantees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yeah, i get that. But the bottom line is all draft decisions are about potential and projection. Skills and tools are more important than production, and there are no guarantees Absolutely .. but I have strong feelings about people and potential. In business, as in life, I see people with great skill less motivation and visa versa. I would always, based on experience, take someone with motivation. The world is run by average people with well above average ambition. So when I hear about certain issues that are more behavioral, I proceed with caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 So Dupree suffers from.... lack of ambition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 If judging qbs by team wins is inane, what is judging an olb by team performance? Just another piece of information for insane draft analysis, I think Dupree and Beasley have had the most consistent performance (stats) of them all but I was responding to a comment on strength of schedule, where team performance is important, just did not think strength of schedule mattered if that team loses most/all of the difficult games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Beasleys best comp is clay Matthews IMO Nah. Beasley is better than Clay Matthews. Better first step. Stronger. Better college production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 So Dupree suffers from.... lack of ambition? No. Did you ever see Twins? Remember that scene where the doctor is telling Arnold that he got all the genes and Danny DeVito is the crap leftover? That's what Dupree is to Gholston. All they're missing is the tan suits and Dupree singing "Tonight is your night bro" to Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 See heres the thing guys: drafting a pass rusher is a lot like hiring a salesman. Ive been managing a sales team for over 39 years and heres what Ive learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Just another piece of information for insane draft analysis, I think Dupree and Beasley have had the most consistent performance (stats) of them all but I was responding to a comment on strength of schedule, where team performance is important, just did not think strength of schedule mattered if that team loses most/all of the difficult games... No. Strength of schedule matters only in the quality of opposition the player was matching up against. If he was making plays against high quality OLs but his team was getting blown out because they couldn't cover, how does that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Absolutely .. but I have strong feelings about people and potential. In business, as in life, I see people with great skill less motivation and visa versa. I would always, based on experience, take someone with motivation. The world is run by average people with well above average ambition. So when I hear about certain issues that are more behavioral, I proceed with caution. Sure. But that's different from "potential" and i haven't heard anyone question Dupree's "want to" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Sure. But that's different from "potential" and i haven't heard anyone question Dupree's "want to" OK..Im not that close to it but (not Dupree per se) I simply feel tired from developmental picks and picks who have raw talent that dont pan out (like Vlad and Hill and Maybin as well). I simply havent seen a mock with Dupree above 15 so that tells an amateur something I suppose. Lets enjoy tomorrow...I simply hope the JETS dont trade back too far as I wanna be home early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 OK..Im not that close to it but (not Dupree per se) I simply feel tired from developmental picks and picks who have raw talent that dont pan out (like Vlad and Hill and Maybin as well). I simply havent seen a mock with Dupree above 15 so that tells an amateur something I suppose. Lets enjoy tomorrow...I simply hope the JETS dont trade back too far as I wanna be home early. Wait until tonight when the final ones come out and he'll be a top 10 pick in 90% of them, which equates to the entire draftnik community being a couple months behind the real scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully28 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Wait until tonight when the final ones come out and he'll be a top 10 pick in 90% of them, which equates to the entire draftnik community being a couple months behind the real scouts. This. We could do a lot worse than picking Dupree. I'd be happy with Dupree, Cooper/White, Fowler at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 http://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/593419475900215297 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I'll let rutgers have this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 See heres the thing guys: drafting a pass rusher is a lot like hiring a salesman. Ive been managing a sales team for over 39 years and heres what Ive learned Go onnnnn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 http://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/593419475900215297 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 No. Strength of schedule matters only in the quality of opposition the player was matching up against. If he was making plays against high quality OLs but his team was getting blown out because they couldn't cover, how does that matter? I get your point, just not sure how I know that he was making plays against high quality OL's without watching the game tapes, overall stats do not tell the story I watched Gholston at Ohio State and he dominated some games but disappeared in others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 OK..Im not that close to it but (not Dupree per se) I simply feel tired from developmental picks and picks who have raw talent that dont pan out (like Vlad and Hill and Maybin as well). I simply havent seen a mock with Dupree above 15 so that tells an amateur something I suppose. Lets enjoy tomorrow...I simply hope the JETS dont trade back too far as I wanna be home early. Pre-combine Walter Football had him 8th to the Falcons and that is with Ray and Gregory both going ahead of him. For the record, that is ahead of Beasley. I would imagine the combine could only help him, don't you think? http://walterfootball.com/draft2015archive_0127.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Pre-combine Walter Football had him 8th to the Falcons and that is with Ray and Gregory both going ahead of him. For the record, that is ahead of Beasley. I would imagine the combine could only help him, don't you think? http://walterfootball.com/draft2015archive_0127.php I dont pretend to know..I am as big a JETS fan as we have, but I am a fan. Thats it. I wouldn't mind trading back and getting 2 1st rounders at say 14 and 25 for example. Would love a great O Line man and a solid LBacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I dont pretend to know..I am as big a JETS fan as we have, but I am a fan. Thats it. I wouldn't mind trading back and getting 2 1st rounders at say 14 and 25 for example. Would love a great O Line man and a solid LBacker. I would very much prefer a great LB and a solid O lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't like trading back just to get two starters, you always draft the pro-bowl player when given the chance. Stay at 6, draft the elite talent and save the rest of the draft to find solid starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 OK..Im not that close to it but (not Dupree per se) I simply feel tired from developmental picks and picks who have raw talent that dont pan out (like Vlad and Hill and Maybin as well). I simply havent seen a mock with Dupree above 15 so that tells an amateur something I suppose. Lets enjoy tomorrow...I simply hope the JETS dont trade back too far as I wanna be home early. You must not have been looking at mocks in the last few weeks. I have not seen any mock that has him any LOWER than 15 and several with him in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Wait until tonight when the final ones come out and he'll be a top 10 pick in 90% of them, which equates to the entire draftnik community being a couple months behind the real scouts. I knew Dupree was a top ten pick before I knew his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think Dupree will be a decent and serviceable LB but I don't see him ever being elite, the one thing I think he lacks might be the most important thing we need in a LB right now and that is a motor (not saying he doesn't play fast) if you watch the tape on him he just seems to be lacking that burst that all the other top end LBs in the draft have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I knew Dupree was a top ten pick before I knew his name. lol I actually believe that too. Back when he was just that circled blue dot on Forceplayers charting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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