Ryan Fitzpatrick: MERGED

[SouthernJet]

37 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

He may be a mediocre writer (and it'd make sense a mediocre writer writes about keeping a mediocre QB), but he'd make a horrible GM.

You DO NOT raise the offer if Fitz has no other offers.  The only way the offer should change is if it goes down or gets pulled.

Or if a QB on a playoff/SB caliber team (Russ Wilson for instance) gets hurt between today and during camp.. Then is that team has zero faith in its backup, Fitz may have bargaining power..

[Mike135]

5 minutes ago, SouthernJet said:

Or if a QB on a playoff/SB caliber team (Russ Wilson for instance) gets hurt between today and during camp.. Then is that team has zero faith in its backup, Fitz may have bargaining power..

Yup.  Not that you ever want to hope for injuries, but I'm just saying I wouldn't be disappointed to hear some team's starting QB blew off a finger or two this past weekend.

Then maybe this Fitz-madness could end.  Either the team would pay for Fitz or have a glaring need for a QB, yet still have no interest in Fitz (most likely).  If the latter, maybe then Fitz would realize he's a backup and accept 4 to 5 mil.

[Rangers9]

57 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Yup.  Not that you ever want to hope for injuries, but I'm just saying I wouldn't be disappointed to hear some team's starting QB blew off a finger or two this past weekend.

Then maybe this Fitz-madness could end.  Either the team would pay for Fitz or have a glaring need for a QB, yet still have no interest in Fitz (most likely).  If the latter, maybe then Fitz would realize he's a backup and accept 4 to 5 mil.

You must be pulling our leg. I mean if Mac is offering him an average of 8 mil per season for 3 years why would he agree to 4 mil. And it's a "pipe"dream to believe he will be Geno's backup. You must not have been watching games in 2013 and 2014. No tryouts during the regular season except in the FXFL.

[kelly]

 

 

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Former NFL general manager Charley Casserly was on the NFL Network on Tuesday morning to talk about the Jets, their defense, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Casserly was also kind enough to tweet out a video of that television appearance, which you can watch above. Thanks, Charley!

A year and a half ago, Casserly had consulted Jets owner Woody Johnson during the hiring process for general Mike Maccagnan. And in his NFL network appearance, Casserly runs through a list of reasons why he thinks the Jets are right to be standing their ground in their months-long contract stalemate with quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.

• Fitzpatrick's mediocre career history
• The Jets' scheme and excellent receivers were a big help 
• Fitzpatrick's failure (three fourth-quarter interceptions) in the must-win finale 
• No other team is offering Fitzpatrick anything better
• Geno Smith, with this offense and these wideouts, may not be that much worse

Huh. Now where have we heard this entire line of thinking before ?

Casserly also thinks the Jets upgraded their defense by drafting linebackersDarron Lee and Jordan Jenkins, even though he conceded that nose tackle Damon Harrison's departure for the Giants was "a loss."

Casserly also declared that Marcus Williams would be "a better option" at cornerback than Antonio Cromartie. Cromartie, who had been cut back in March, remains unsigned.

"This defense," Casserly concluded, "is going to be better."

 

> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/07/charley_casserly_jets_right_to_hold_the_line_on_ry.html#incart_river_index

[joewilly12]

[kelly]

Fitzpatrick turns the “it’s just business” tables on ownership

July 4 has come and gone, and the Jets still don’t have their presumed starting quarterback under contract. Ryan Fitzpatrick has yet to sign a new deal because he has yet to accept whatever the best offer is that the team placed on the table nearly four months ago.On one hand, it’s the best Fitzpatrick can do, in relation to the offers (or lack thereof) from other teams. A career journeyman, who literally has journeyed through four teams in four years, Fitzpatrick doesn’t bring the sizzle, pizzazz, or (more importantly) consistent high-end performance to the position to justify the kind of clamoring that most other starting quarterbacks (or backups turned starters turned backups like Brock Osweiler) would experience on the open market.

So the Jets, mindful of the fact that they are Fitzpatrick’s only option for a starting job, haven’t budged. Fitzpatrick, realizing that even if no one else wants him the Jets still need him, hasn’t blinked.Far more often than not, a player eventually says “screw it” and takes the best offer. The Jets surely believed Fitzpatrick would do that before the offseason program started, but he didn’t.

The Jets now surely believe he’ll do it before the opening of training camp. Maybe he will. But maybe he won’t.

Maybe Fitzpatrick realizes the value of digging in when unsigned. Yes, players under contract from time to time will hold out, but the new CBA makes that a very expensive proposition; this year, the daily fines for skipping training camp spike to $40,000 per day. Fitzpatrick can’t be fined because he’s not currently employed.

Fitzpatrick nevertheless risks the Jets saying “screw it” to him and rolling with Geno Smith as the starter, but the risk for a billion-dollar business to put its most important position in the hands of a guy who has largely been a bust to date seems to be much greater than the risk that Fitzpatrick will end up getting nothing close this year to what the Jets have been offering — or possibly nothing at all, if the phone never rings.Whatever the outcome, Fitzpatrick (a Harvard man who can’t be accused of being stupid) has made a dispassionate, objective assessment of the situation, and he has implemented a business strategy. Teams and owners do it all the time, zealously relying on all of the devices available under the labor deal to pay players the least possible amount or to get out from under the bloated back end of non-guaranteed contracts, with no financial consequences.

Players need to start doing it, too. Not recklessly, but with the same cool, detached analysis that teams routinely deploy when making lowball offers or cutting players with a nonchalant, “It’s just business.”Part of that business has been to somehow dupe fans into a knee-jerk willingness to complain about millionaire players who hope to make as much money as they can before their bodies surrender to age and/or injury while ignoring billionaire owners who pay one specific man millions to be the pin cushion for tactics and policies that allow them to keep earning more and more billions (while also seeing the value of the asset they own skyrocket) without widespread scrutiny or consternation.

That pendulum of public criticism likely will never swing the other way, because the players, not the owners, are the ones who put on the uniform. This makes Fitzpatrick’s willingness to stand firm even more impressive; fans will definitely dub the millionaire quarterback as greedy and selfish long before they question how an owner still desperate to sell PSLs will potentially entrust the quarterback position to a guy lacking the skill to stay on the field or the respect in the locker room to avoid getting knocked out over an unused plane ticket.For Fitzpatrick and the Jets, the best outcome remains getting in a room, locking the door, and working out a middle ground. There’s no indication that the Jets are willing to do that, sticking to their take-it-or-leave-it approach. At a time when many players would be inclined to take it, Fitzpatrick’s decision to leave it could prompt more men in similar situations to do the same thing moving forward.

>      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/05/fitzpatrick-turns-the-its-just-business-tables-on-ownership/

[kelly]

The loose deadline of training camp for the Jets to get something done with quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick is fast approaching. In just over two weeks, those on New York’s roster will report to the Atlantic Health Training Facility to begin preparation for the upcoming season.With Fitzpatrick unsigned, one would assume there would be some sense of urgency to get a contract worked out. But there hasn’t been. And that’s led many to start to think that Fitzpatrick may never return at all.

One former Jets coach is not among those people.

“Fitz knows that at the end of the day, it’ll get done,” Herm Edwards told Jets Wire via conference call.

While promoting the American Century Golf Championship, which will be held at the Edgewood Tahoe Golf Course July 22-24, Edwards took time out to touch on a few things Jets and, specifically, what the heck is going on with Fitzpatrick. Since breaking the team’s passing touchdown record (31) and throwing for 3,905 yards a year ago, Fitzpatrick and the Jets have been locked in an ugly contract negotiation. Fitzpatrick wants to be paid the salary of a starting quarterback in the NFL, but with no competing teams vying for his services, the Jets are offering one much, much lower. Fitzpatrick hasn’t been willing to budge, nor have the Jets, and as a result, he’s still a free agent.

It’s gotten to the point where everyone — coaches, players, management — just wants a resolution. Either Fitzpatrick comes back, or he doesn’t. But don’t drag this out any longer. “It’s just a matter of getting the numbers right,” said Edwards, who was the Jets head coach from 2001-2005. “Does he have some leverage? Yeah, he has some leverage in the sense that they need him at quarterback. There’s no doubt about that. But he needs them as well.”

Turning 34 in November, Fitzpatrick doesn’t have much time left in his NFL career, which is one of the reasons Edwards says he has to return to New York. Having never been to the playoffs, the Jets, who were just a game away from reaching the postseason a year ago, give the bearded signal caller his best chance to win. This season, the Jets are viewed as a team on the cusp of the playoffs, but that’s with Fitzpatrick under center. If he wants to make a run, the Jets are his best chance of doing that.He doesn’t have the years left to be part of a rebuilding project, and most other contenders already have their quarterback situation ironed out. Basically, if Fitzpatrick wants to play football in 2016, it’s going to be in New York, or nowhere.

“There comes a time where you know, at the end of your career, you wanna be on a winning team,” Edwards said. “You know then you have a chance. That’s all a coach or player can ask for: A chance.“I hope he comes back. I really do. I would hate for him to not play football.”Eventually, Edwards believes cooler heads will prevail. Both sides will agree to a number, Fitzpatrick will report back to the Jets, and all will laugh about this negotiation over a few beers after work.

It’s just when that happens that’s the unknown. But Edwards has an idea. . .

“Anyone who is married will understand this,” Edwards said, chuckling. “When you go home and see your wife, eventually she says, ‘You know what, you may wanna go back to work now. You’ve been around here too long.’

“That may be the straw right there. When he’s done everything on his honey-do list, then it’s time to go back and play football.”

> http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/07/08/ex-jets-coach-herm-edwards-says-ryan-fitzpatrick-will-get-done/?hl=1&noRedirect=1

[Jetsplayer21]

Advanced stats tell a lot more about fitz.. https://www.google.com/amp/www.nj.com/articles/18916311/what_advanced_stats_say_about_ryan_fitzpatricks_20.amp?client=safari#

[Warfish]

By "advanced" you mean the usual "woulda, coulda, shoulda" stats.

The usual mix of "well, that woulda have been an INT (we think) so lets give him another INT" and "that pass coulda been incomplete maybe (we think), so lets call that an Incompletion" and "well, that pass only went X yards, that shoulda been a WR stat really, so lets take away that TD" stat manipulation.

Only Jets Fans could have a QB produce like this, and then spend the entire off-season digging for ways to discredit that QB, so we could play literally (as in actual stats) the worst QB in the NFL the two previous years (without any stat manipulation required).

But hey, if we go back in time and start changing Geno's stats too, give him a few extra TD's he didn't throw because he "woulda", a few less INT's because he "coulda" and a few more completions because he "shoulda", he REALLY is the BEST QB in the NFL after all!!!!  

I SEE THE LIGHT!!!! START GENO AnD DUMP FITZ!!!! THE STATS MAN THE STATS!

Lies, damned lies and (manipulated made-up) statistics as per usual.

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

By "advanced" you mean the usual "woulda, coulda, shoulda" stats.

The usual mix of "well, that woulda have been an INT (we think) so lets give him another INT" and "that pass coulda been incomplete maybe (we think), so lets call that an Incompletion" and "well, that pass only went X yards, that shoulda been a WR stat really, so lets take away that TD" stat manipulation.

Only Jets Fans could have a QB produce like this, and then spend the entire off-season digging for ways to discredit that QB, so we could play literally (as in actual stats) the worst QB in the NFL the two previous years (without any stat manipulation required).

But hey, if we go back in time and start changing Geno's stats too, give him a few extra TD's he didn't throw because he "woulda", a few less INT's because he "coulda" and a few more completions because he "shoulda", he REALLY is the BEST QB in the NFL after all!!!!  

I SEE THE LIGHT!!!! START GENO AnD DUMP FITZ!!!! THE STATS MAN THE STATS!

Lies, damned lies and (manipulated made-up) statistics as per usual.

The focus of this article isn't woulda, coulda, shoulda stats.  Not even close.  Though saying it tak X away from what it shows.  But hey, when you're defending your guy were not allowed to dissect and look deeper than just stats.  Pretty much what everyone repeats over and over again when someone defends a player we don't like with stats.  That Geno's numbers against Oakland are in line with what Fitz gave us on his best days didnt stop Fitz fans from ssaying same old Geno.

Im glad Jets fans are smart enough to dissect stats and see what a player is beyond his numbers and proclaiming him great off of numbers.  I'm glad we're not some yahoo, goober groups who can't see beyond the glowing articles their home town homer media dishes out.  

[Rangers9]

I'll take any completion even one inch if my Rb gets 5-10.  Or what about a swing pass for a few yards and the guy gets 30. Half of the time these are set plays.  I'll also glady accept all "almost incompletions." Who are these guys making up this stuff. Maybe a couple of dudes who don't really want to work for a living. 

[Rangers9]

19 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

The focus of this article isn't woulda, coulda, shoulda stats.  Not even close.  Though saying it tak X away from what it shows.  But hey, when you're defending your guy were not allowed to dissect and look deeper than just stats.  Pretty much what everyone repeats over and over again when someone defends a player we don't like with stats.  That Geno's numbers against Oakland are in line with what Fitz gave us on his best days didnt stop Fitz fans from ssaying same old Geno.

Im glad Jets fans are smart enough to dissect stats and see what a player is beyond his numbers and proclaiming him great off of numbers.  I'm glad we're not some yahoo, goober groups who can't see beyond the glowing articles their home town homer media dishes out.  

Geno's stats with Oakland. What was the score?

[PatsFanTX]

Geno's stats with Oakland. What was the score?

For the last 6 months you guys have been debating who should be the Jets starting QB; Geno or Fitz.

Think about that for a minute.

No wonder why the Jets are the Jets.

[Mike135]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

For the last 6 months you guys have been debating who should be the Jets starting QB; Geno or Fitz.

Think about that for a minute.

No wonder why the Jets are the Jets.

Very true.  But it is what it is.  This FO is quickly losing my support.  

Only way it gets worse is if we spent 6 months debating while the Jets n Fitz spent 6 months w/o a deal...  yet we still pay for Ryan F-in Fitzpatrick.

[Rangers9]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

For the last 6 months you guys have been debating who should be the Jets starting QB; Geno or Fitz.

 

Think about that for a minute.

 

No wonder why the Jets are the Jets.

It only proves that we're stupid. 

[Mike135]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

For the last 6 months you guys have been debating who should be the Jets starting QB; Geno or Fitz.

 

Think about that for a minute.

 

No wonder why the Jets are the Jets.

Note however that even though the above is true, it's better than being known as a team that must cheat (and does it a lot) to win anything.

[PatsFanTX]

It only proves that we're stupid. 

It's more stubborn than stupid.

Jets need a legitimate franchise QB to move forward.

Why not give one of the young guys a shot, instead of all this crap with 2 of the worst QB's in the NFL? Jets are going nowhere with either one.

Hell, Brady won a Super Bowl in his 17th NFL start. Who's to say Petty or Hack couldn't do the same?

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

Geno's stats with Oakland. What was the score?

Who says it would have been better Fitz?  

Score was never the point.  Was better than what Fitz did vs the Bills twice, Pats once, Eagles etc.. So? 

[Rangers9]

9 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

It's more stubborn than stupid.

 

Jets need a legitimate franchise QB to move forward.

 

Why not give one of the young guys a shot, instead of all this crap with 2 of the worst QB's in the NFL? Jets are going nowhere with either one.

 

Hell, Brady won a Super Bowl in his 17th NFL start. Who's to say Petty or Hack couldn't do the same?

It's stupid to argue with other idiots for six months and repeat myself a million times. But not stubborn. 

[Rangers9]

18 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

It's more stubborn than stupid.

 

Jets need a legitimate franchise QB to move forward.

 

Why not give one of the young guys a shot, instead of all this crap with 2 of the worst QB's in the NFL? Jets are going nowhere with either one.

 

Hell, Brady won a Super Bowl in his 17th NFL start. Who's to say Petty or Hack couldn't do the same?

You can be very competitive and maybe even win a SB with a good team and an average Qb who knows what he's doing and doesn't make too many mistakes. First you have to make the playoffs which for our team is do-able. And then you have to play well, get hot and sometimes be lucky and you can get a ring. Like the Giants vs you. You don't have to and shouldn't spend all your resources every year to be great at one position. It's counterproductive. If you have competency you can succeed. Who says we can't improve off of a good year in 2016. 

[PatsFanTX]

It's stupid to argue with other idiots for six months and repeat myself a million times. But not stubborn. 

My stubborn comment was directed to the Jets FO and coaching staff, not you.

Doesn't matter which one of the loser QB's (Fitz or Geno) they go with this season, Jets are looking at 5-7 wins and fighting the Phins to stay out of the AFCE basement.

Why not give one of the young guys, or both, a chance?

[slats]

1 hour ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

For the last 6 months you guys have been debating who should be the Jets starting QB; Geno or Fitz.

 

Think about that for a minute.

 

No wonder why the Jets are the Jets.

I hate you, your team, the city of Boston, it's gay suburb Foxboro, it's gay QB, the state of Texas, and your face. 

[Rangers9]

11 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Who says it would have been better Fitz?  

Score was never the point.  Was better than what Fitz did vs the Bills twice, Pats once, Eagles etc.. So? 

Fitz won 10 games and Geno won zero. That's what this is all about. Not what might have happened what did happen. 

[Mike135]

Just now, PatsFanTX said:

Why not give one of the young guys, or both, a chance?

If Geno fails and the season is already lost, sure.  But playing Petty or Hack before they're ready, while fans still want to win, can hurt an inexperienced QB's career (e.g. Geno).

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Fitz won 10 games and Geno won zero. That's what this is all about. Not what might have happened what did happen. 

You're kidding right?  I was debating the use of stats to rate a player and you're up to two posts telling me Geno didn't win a game?  That's as idiotic as me tell you Geno didn't lose a game and Fitz lost 6.

One more time, none of this has anything to do with what I was talking about.  Stop for a second and stop defending your client. 

[joewilly12]

9 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Fitz won 10 games and Geno won zero. That's what this is all about. Not what might have happened what did happen. 

Rangers9 forgot to mention Fitz had the easiest schedule in the league the best OC in the league and 2 of the best WRs in the league ......carry on 

[Rangers9]

17 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

My stubborn comment was directed to the Jets FO and coaching staff, not you.

 

Doesn't matter which one of the loser QB's (Fitz or Geno) they go with this season, Jets are looking at 5-7 wins and fighting the Phins to stay out of the AFCE basement.

 

Why not give one of the young guys, or both, a chance?

We won ten last year. It would be stupid not to go with what worked at least for one more year. Why blow it up. Again we don't need an elite franchise Qb to win esp if you have a good defense etc. I disagree on Fitzpatrick. He's better than you give him credit for. We can win with him now. If Mac thinks his two draftees are ready so let him start one of them. 

[joewilly12]

Just now, Rangers9 said:

We won ten last year. It would be stupid not to go with what worked at least for one more year. Why blow it up. Again we don't need an elite franchise Qb to win esp if you have a good defense etc. I disagree on Fitzpatrick. He's better than you give him credit for. We can win with him. If Mac thinks his two draftees are ready now let him start one of them. 

WE CANT WIN WITH FITZPATRICK HE CHOKED TRYING TO GET US IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!

[PatsFanTX]

I hate you, your team, the city of Boston, it's gay suburb Foxboro, it's gay QB, the state of Texas, and your face. 

Hmmmm, that sounds like a personal attack.

I just reported you to yourself.

[Rangers9]

Just now, joewilly12 said:

Rangers9 forgot to mention Fitz had the easiest schedule in the league the best OC in the league and 2 of the best WRs in the league ......carry on 

You know Gailey came out of retirement. And was not considered that great of a coach. So why is he all of a sudden so great. His resume isn't that good. He's been fired at a lot of places. So who died and made him King?

[Rangers9]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You're kidding right?  I was debating the use of stats to rate a player and you're up to two posts telling me Geno didn't win a game?  That's as idiotic as me tell you Geno didn't lose a game and Fitz lost 6.

One more time, none of this has anything to do with what I was talking about.  Stop for a second and stop defending your client. 

Sure because stats to you are more important than wins. I'll take a plus 6. I don't care about the stats or the "almost stats." 

[joewilly12]

4 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

You know Gailey came out of retirement. And was not considered that great of a coach. So why is he all of a sudden so great. His resume isn't that good. He's been fired at a lot of places. So who died and made him King?

He works with he's got and he designs an offense around strengths and weaknesses.

[Mike135]

God damn it Macc.  Phuckin' end this already.

 

[joewilly12]

If the Jets sign Fitzpatrick days into camp and he's named the starter Geno should demand a trade or walk away from this organization theres a reason they haven't won anything in 47 years. 

[BowlesMovement]

8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

If the Jets sign Fitzpatrick days into camp and he's named the starter Geno should demand a trade or walk away from this organization theres a reason they haven't won anything in 47 years. 

Jets are keeping Geno from being a true star in this league. Your right! If he got drafted by any other team we would talk about Geno like we talk about Rodgers.