Possible Mo Trade Scenario

[Ex-Rex]

2 hours ago, whodeawhodat said:

Tennessee now has stockpiled picks with their recent trade with the rams. I believe they have a first rounder, 3 second rounders and 2 third rounders and plenty of cap space.  How many of those picks do they Jets get for mo in a possible trade?  I'd be ecstatic with their first 2 picks of the second round for Mo. What say you? 

I agree but for one important point. Mo Wilkerson's cap number is 15.7 million which is top QB money, and I doubt the Titans want to pay a DE more than they are paying their franchise QB. Mo's cap number is the biggest reason the Jets are stuck in the mud and they will never find a trade partner with his cap number so high. He simply is NOT WORTH IT.

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

4. LaBeau

5. 2015 Jets ranked 1st in ALY on runs off left end, Titans 26th.

Tennessee makes a lot of sense. The first overall pick never had anything to do with it and now there's a lot of flexibility to do a deal. I still don't like the idea of trading our best player as a matter of triage, but it appears that donkey left the station a year ago when we handed out all those legacy scholarships.

Given the schedule and the likelihood that we're not getting Goff (or Wentz) now anyway, I can't see any reason to dump Mo simply to sign Fitzpatrick. They should live on an austerity budget this year with Mo on the tag, then re-sign him next year with the tons of cap space they get when they clean house. Bonus being a likely top-five pick.

[PepPep]

3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

According to this: http://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets/

Skrine is going to count 7.75 against the cap. It doesn't matter if he's only making 6.5. It's what counts against the cap that matters.

Also according to this:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/25/free-agency-five-worst-signings/

Skrine was a terrible signing because he's bad. In fact he was ranked as 114th worst corner out of about 130 they ranked. But, beieve what you will.

 

Ugh. Analytics. Great. I don't care about analytics, I care about what I see on the field. But thats just me and I may be very very wrong. Agree to disagree.

[Ex-Rex]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Given the schedule and the likelihood that we're not getting Goff (or Wentz) now anyway, I can't see any reason to dump Mo simply to sign Fitzpatrick. They should live on an austerity budget this year with Mo on the tag, then re-sign him next year with the tons of cap space they get when they clean house. Bonus being a likely top-five pick.

So basically you are an advocate of sandbagging this season for future glory? BTW, if the Jets pay Mo 15.7 million this season WTF do you think he will want after that? Mo is trying to kill the Jets salary cap because he is pissed they didn't sign him last year with all the money they had. Plus, Richardson will come due and if Mo is worth that what will Sheldon want? No way man, Wilkerson has got to go.

[chirorob]

2 hours ago, jamesr said:

Interestingly, the value of Tenn's top two second rounders (#33 and #43) is exactly the same as their 1st rounder (#15).

I'd be surprised if they gave up the two higher picks straight

Also, a flip of picks in Round 1 could be included in some sort of deal, if we wanted to move up in Rd 1 a little. Lots of options, and plenty time to explore those options ... you can bet Macc and Tennessee will be talking quite a bit in the coming days.

If we could get a 2 and a 3 I'd be really happy.  

[chirorob]

41 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Skrine was signed by Mac for a lot b/c Mac felt he still had upside and expected him to improve, which could still be very much true. He said so himself- something to the extent that they really liked his measurables and he was just scratching the surface of his potential- don't quote me on that. 

He is slated to make $6.5- which is guaranteed. But his contract is front-loaded. His last 2 seasons (of a 4 year deal) are not guaranteed and he is slated to make 6mil. If he improves this year (not that he was bad last year) and continues to get better (which is what the Jets believed when they signed him), its hard to argue that he is overpaid, considering what good CBs get paid these days. 

Harris is set to make $7.5 in 2016- guaranteed. But his contract is front-loaded too. And he was only signed to a 3 year deal. So in 2017 he is set to make $6.5, which is NOT guaranteed and after which he is a FA. Sure, b/c of his age and struggles in coverage, you could argue that he is overpaid. But considering he is the defensive captain and on-field play-caller, notched over 100 tackles last season and is as stout as the come vs. the run, not to mention incredibly durable (I believe he missed 5 games in his career- don;t quote me on that) and a life-long Jet, I don't think he is nec. 'overpaid'. 

I have no problem with either of these players' contracts the way Mac put them together. That's just me.

I think fans (and I'm not nec. talking about you CrazyCarl40) often look at what a player is making this season, and if the team is in a cap bind and the player isn't a Pro Bowler, immediately have a knee-jerk reaction that they are overpaid or over-rated and the team needs to trade or cut them. I especially love when they suggest that drafting a rookie as a replacement is the way to go- ignoring the fact that most rookies can't come in and start and ALL rookies are a gamble and completely unproven in the NFL.  

Harris is basically a 2 year deal with a team option.   No cap hit if he is cut after this year, and lets face it, he would have let for Rex if we didn't sign him.

Skrine is very cuttable after this year if he doesn't improve.  I think his shoulder was hurting a lot worse than he let on, he was not the same after he hurt it.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Given the schedule and the likelihood that we're not getting Goff (or Wentz) now anyway, I can't see any reason to dump Mo simply to sign Fitzpatrick. They should live on an austerity budget this year with Mo on the tag, then re-sign him next year with the tons of cap space they get when they clean house. Bonus being a likely top-five pick.

This seems reasonable. I'm fine not signing Fitzpatrick because he's a million years old. If we're pretending he didn't make a huge difference last year and doesn't make a huge difference for this year, though, that's just stupid. Again the whole problem is everything that put us in the situation where it's either/or.

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

So basically you are an advocate of sandbagging this season for future glory? BTW, if the Jets pay Mo 15.7 million this season WTF do you think he will want after that? Mo is trying to kill the Jets salary cap because he is pissed they didn't sign him last year with all the money they had. Plus, Richardson will come due and if Mo is worth that what will Sheldon want? No way man, Wilkerson has got to go.

Two things:

1. Trading Mo and 20 and change clearly isn't enough to move up to 2 because the Rams went buck-wild to get #1, and I don't like the idea of trading Mo for a couple of second rounders. I'd only trade Mo if it resulted directly in acquiring the draft pick that brings us a very good, young QB.

 

2. I think the season is already sandbagged, tbh, especially if Fitzpatrick is brought back to be the QB. That early stretch features games against secondaries that will humiliate the sh*t out of him. I am of the belief that going 7-9 with Fitz is the worst of all the worst case scenarios. 

[Beerfish]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Given the schedule and the likelihood that we're not getting Goff (or Wentz) now anyway, I can't see any reason to dump Mo simply to sign Fitzpatrick. They should live on an austerity budget this year with Mo on the tag, then re-sign him next year with the tons of cap space they get when they clean house. Bonus being a likely top-five pick.

Mo's status will have nothing to do with Fitzpatrick, don't give ammo to the Geno luvers please.

 

And as an aside, tanking for high picks is not the way to go, the reason I know this all too well?  I'm an Edmonton Oiler fan.  Oilers and the Jets, there must be something wrong with my head.

[Dcat]

40 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

According to this: http://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets/

Skrine is going to count 7.75 against the cap. It doesn't matter if he's only making 6.5. It's what counts against the cap that matters.

Also according to this:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/25/free-agency-five-worst-signings/

Skrine was a terrible signing because he's bad. In fact he was ranked as 114th worst corner out of about 130 they ranked. But, beieve what you will.

 

PFF analytics for defensive players is ridiculous and unreliable.  Not quote worthy, IMO.  Please, PFF analytics is dubious at best.

[PepPep]

33 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

So basically you are an advocate of sandbagging this season for future glory? BTW, if the Jets pay Mo 15.7 million this season WTF do you think he will want after that? Mo is trying to kill the Jets salary cap because he is pissed they didn't sign him last year with all the money they had. Plus, Richardson will come due and if Mo is worth that what will Sheldon want? No way man, Wilkerson has got to go.

I agree with you. The Jets need to trade Mo. But what are you, his best friend? his agent? How do you know he is trying to kill the Jets cap b/c he is pissed they didn't sign him last year? Did he tell you that? That sound ridiculous and childish. Mo just wants a long term deal with stability (guarantees) for similar money that DEs of his caliber are getting on the market. It is a number him and his agent agreed upon and believe they can get- if not from the Jets than from someone else. 

The Jets like Mo. They want to keep him. They have tried to resign him in the past. They simply don't believe he is worth what he is asking for. And they have depth at the position which gives them SOME breathing room in case they lose him. At this point, it seems like contract talks have stalled, which suggests to me that neither side has budged and the best for both parties (particularly for the Jets) is to trade him for more than what they will get (via compensatory pick) if he walks next year.  

@T0mShaneIts also absolutely ridiculous to think that the Jets will not contend for a playoff spot b/c of the schedule and should TANK or are guaranteed a top 5 pick. Its just so silly to even say that- you never know how a season will unfold, what injuries will hurt teams, what players will emerge and/or decline, etc., etc., etc. And to go even further and say the Jets should make roster decisions under the pretense that they will be awful this year and will 'clean house' next year is just absurd. That they should plan to re-sign Mo because they will have to blow the team up and will have a ton of cap and a top 5 pick? I mean, that's what you are implying. Correct? 

The schedule is tough but really not THAT brutal if the Jets can get steady QB play and maintain their great defensive play.   

They have 6 very tough games to start: Cin, Bills, Chiefs, Hawks, Pitt, Arizona- this is what makes this schedule so hard. But it doesn't mean the Jets will LOSE all of those games. 

Then they have 4 very winnable games: Ravens, Browns, Dolphins, Rams

The last 6 games are split: 3 tough (Pats x2 and Bills), 3 winnable (Colts, Dolphins, Niners). 

If the Jets ONLY win the winable games they will end up 7-9. Not great, not enough for playoffs, but certainly not a top 5 pick.

If the Jets win the winable games and split with the Bills and Pats they will end up 9-7. Maybe enough for a playoff spot, maybe not. Certainly not a top 5 pick. 

The schedule is tough, no question. But assuming the Jets will win 3 or 4 games and earn a top 5 pick is silly, please stop.

[Rangers9]

Look our defense isn't going to be as good as last year unless certain players step it up. We replaced Snacks with two guys who are ok but not close to what he is.  If we trade Wilk then there isn't a player we have or can acquire on his level. But if a few guys who are on the bubble but are talented have good seasons: like Dee Milliner and McDougle.  If Revis can be the player he used to be. And we get a step up from players like Mauldin and Williams. And get good role players on D in the draft the drop off might not be that bad. But when you lose two star players like that it's not easy to recover. And if we don't re-sign Fitz that's a step back on offense.

[Beerfish]

8 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Look our defense isn't going to be as good as last year unless certain players step it up. We replaced Snacks with two guys who are ok but not close to what he is.  If we trade Wilk then there isn't a player we have or can acquire on his level. But if a few guys who are on the bubble but are talented have good seasons: like Dee Milliner and McDougle.  If Revis can be the player he used to be. And we get a step up from players like Mauldin and Williams. And get good role players on D in the draft the drop off might not be that bad. But when you lose two star players like that it's not easy to recover. And if we don't re-sign Fitz that's a step back on offense.

Our D in my mind seriously underachieved in several key games last year.  Losing Snacks and perhaps Wilk will hurt but if we get improvement from mauldin, get another olb passrusher and our secondary actually plays well we may even be better.

[Rangers9]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Our D in my mind seriously underachieved in several key games last year.  Losing Snacks and perhaps Wilk will hurt but if we get improvement from mauldin, get another olb passrusher and our secondary actually plays well we may even be better.

I hope you're right but I don't see it. I mean getting better after losing probably your two best players on D in 2015. 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I like how when we drafted Williams with Wilkerson and Richardson already on the roster it was great because 300-pound defensive linemen rotate and there's plenty of snaps to go around, and now that it looks like Wilkerson's on his way out it's also great because he was crowding out the other guys' playing time. This board's capacity for rationalizing stuff based on feelings never ceases to amaze me. Which probably makes me the idiot here.

I never said drafting Williams was great. I'm generally a BAP guy but you can't mindlessly be a slave to BAP (especially since BAP is inexact itself as of draft day).  

But to be fair I think the failed efforts to get Mo locked up long term - when we had plenty of cap room and low expectations for 2015 - factored into that pick. 

[Rangers9]

I think the players motivation on eschewing the franchise tag which gives them a huge annual payment for a lower annual deal but gives them more guaranteed money over a longer period of time is fear of injury. They don't want to be left with nothing if their career is shortened. Plus they don't trust NFL teams to not cut them rather than pay them a big salary. Basically teams would rather go with less talent but have a smaller payroll and the players know that. This could be a part of the Fitz holdup. The second or 3rd year on a deal. The Jets just might not want to give that to him. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I never said drafting Williams was great. I'm generally a BAP guy but you can't mindlessly be a slave to BAP (especially since BAP is inexact itself as of draft day).  

But to be fair I think the failed efforts to get Mo locked up long term - when we had plenty of cap room and low expectations for 2015 - factored into that pick. 

Definitely agree on the last. As far as BPA goes, people need to understand that it's relative to what you've got. It doesn't ignore need and opportunity, at least for the future if not year one. Need drafting as a separate thing mostly means big stupid reaches. As an example Cooper would certainly have been BPA for us last year even if we liked Williams a little better in a vacuum.

[Beerfish]

People on here seem to act as if Mo Wilk had the type of year last year 2 or 3 years ago.  He didn't.  He never showed he was extra dominant until last year.  He had a number of excellent half seasons in which he faded.  He was still a very good young player but he was never a stop the run AND get consistent sacks during the year upper echelon type of player. 

There were enough people calling for him to be extended before hand that it is certainly not hindsight on their part but the Jets would have had to pay the price for extending early and before knowing just how good he could be.  I don't blame the Jets at all for not extending him before hand.

 

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, PepPep said:

 

ALSO- It's starting to seem like if a Wilk deal is going to happen with the Titans, it will happen BEFORE the draft. And if it does, there may be yet another deal where the Jets move up or down DURING the draft- depending on how the first round plays out. They are targeting very specific prospects and will go up to get them, and I think this will be a draft where Mac may stray from his strategy of picking BPA b/c he is focused in on certain players and positions (OT,QB)- and theres nothing wrong with that.     

  

I believe Titans would want to make sure they could get a LT deal done with Mo before trading picks. I'm sure Mac would rather wait to see how the Draft plays out 1st but beggars/choosers

Wrote this in another thread.......

 

Titans and Jags are my top choices for a trade.

Caldwell has been GM since 2013 and the team still sucks. This is his last year as a GM unless they get to 8-8 or Div, title

Mo lined up between  Malik Jackson and Fowler will be devastating. That Division is Wide Open.

Shad Kahn would love a player named Mohammed! Just opened the pools at the stadium!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/jacksonville-jaguars/0ap2000000368606/Jaguars-owner-Khan-candid-about-new-swimming-pools

 

Tenn. has a new GM and a ton of picks. He may choose to build his team solely on Draft picks(might blow a few) or get a Wilkerson and compete now!

Don't want to waste these "Under Grace" years too much.

Tenn. fans are tired of waiting for a winner. Maybe they get aggressive..... for Mo.

[CrazyCarl40]

2 hours ago, PepPep said:

Ugh. Analytics. Great. I don't care about analytics, I care about what I see on the field. But thats just me and I may be very very wrong. Agree to disagree.

You do know analytics are based on what people actually see on the field, right?

[CrazyCarl40]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

PFF analytics for defensive players is ridiculous and unreliable.  Not quote worthy, IMO.  Please, PFF analytics is dubious at best.

Then just watch the games and realize how bad Skrine was then.

[j4jets]

4 hours ago, smaxor5 said:

Or it happened when we (correctly) drafted Leonard Williams giving us the opportunity to turn a guy who wants a crippling amount of money at a non-premium position into a few picks that will help this team get BETTER...or does everyone just really like ability to brag about how "stacked" our dline is ignoring the fact that it doesn't generate any PRESSURE on the qb?

And what do you suggest Leonard n Sheldon will seek when it's their time?

The cap is now 150+ mil. Gone are the days of 80mil cap when top defenders were making 8 mil. 

[Ex-Rex]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Two things:

1. Trading Mo and 20 and change clearly isn't enough to move up to 2 because the Rams went buck-wild to get #1, and I don't like the idea of trading Mo for a couple of second rounders. I'd only trade Mo if it resulted directly in acquiring the draft pick that brings us a very good, young QB.

 

2. I think the season is already sandbagged, tbh, especially if Fitzpatrick is brought back to be the QB. That early stretch features games against secondaries that will humiliate the sh*t out of him. I am of the belief that going 7-9 with Fitz is the worst of all the worst case scenarios. 

And the Jets with Geno Smith will be 4-12. You underestimate Fitzpatrick, because he is better in Chan Gailey's system than any other QB on the roster now. He is only a bridge QB to whoever the Jets get as the "franchise" QB. That may or may not be Bryce Petty, and I am getting the feeling that he is not. Mac and Bowles are not happy with his footwork and he gets antsy under pressure. If you ever saw Ken O'Brien play you know about QB's with 'happy feet' that then get sacked because they are not balanced. All I am saying is that Mo is more easily replaced than Fitz and Fitz isn't breaking the bank.

[Rangers9]

10 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

And the Jets with Geno Smith will be 4-12. You underestimate Fitzpatrick, because he is better in Chan Gailey's system than any other QB on the roster now. He is only a bridge QB to whoever the Jets get as the "franchise" QB. That may or may not be Bryce Petty, and I am getting the feeling that he is not. Mac and Bowles are not happy with his footwork and he gets antsy under pressure. If you ever saw Ken O'Brien play you know about QB's with 'happy feet' that then get sacked because they are not balanced. All I am saying is that Mo is more easily replaced than Fitz and Fitz isn't breaking the bank.

I want Fitz back but we're not going to be 4-12 with Geno. But we have a much better shot with Fitz. And that includes the SB. With Geno no shot at the SB.

[Ex-Rex]

52 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

People on here seem to act as if Mo Wilk had the type of year last year 2 or 3 years ago.  He didn't.  He never showed he was extra dominant until last year.  He had a number of excellent half seasons in which he faded.  He was still a very good young player but he was never a stop the run AND get consistent sacks during the year upper echelon type of player. 

There were enough people calling for him to be extended before hand that it is certainly not hindsight on their part but the Jets would have had to pay the price for extending early and before knowing just how good he could be.  I don't blame the Jets at all for not extending him before hand.

 

And he is trying to parlay that one golden season into a lifetime payday, and I say he is simply NOT worth it. He is NOT JJ Watt or anything close to it, and I think his 12 sacks last year will be his high water mark. So all of those fools out there who think he is "elite" will see for themselves that he is not. I am not saying he's a scrub by any means, but he should be paid what the Jets are offering Fitz. 7-8 million a season for four years would be the right call. Doubling that is not only irresponsible but potentially a cap crusher come next year when Richardson is going to want his.

[whodeawhodat]

2 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

And he is trying to parlay that one golden season into a lifetime payday, and I say he is simply NOT worth it. He is NOT JJ Watt or anything close to it, and I think his 12 sacks last year will be his high water mark. So all of those fools out there who think he is "elite" will see for themselves that he is not. I am not saying he's a scrub by any means, but he should be paid what the Jets are offering Fitz. 7-8 million a season for four years would be the right call. Doubling that is not only irresponsible but potentially a cap crusher come next year when Richardson is going to want his.

noone is JJ Watt but if you look at Tennessee, they have a QB to build around on offense, they really need someone to build the defense around.  Mo can def fill that role and then some.  The guy is a leader, produces and is a pillar in the community.  They would be lucky to draft that or they can go with the sure thing and pay for it.  They have the means just like we did last year for Revis.  this one will cost them a couple early picks as well, nothing drastic, a couple 2nd rounders would do and they would still own a 2nd rounder.  Win/Win imo.

[whodeawhodat]

5 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I like how when we drafted Williams with Wilkerson and Richardson already on the roster it was great because 300-pound defensive linemen rotate and there's plenty of snaps to go around, and now that it looks like Wilkerson's on his way out it's also great because he was crowding out the other guys' playing time. This board's capacity for rationalizing stuff based on feelings never ceases to amaze me. Which probably makes me the idiot here.

rotation of linemen for other excellent linemen is a luxury.  We could fill needs/build for the future and after all the DL FAs we already scooped up this offseason, we would be just fine imo.

[SenorGato]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Two things:

1. Trading Mo and 20 and change clearly isn't enough to move up to 2 because the Rams went buck-wild to get #1, and I don't like the idea of trading Mo for a couple of second rounders. I'd only trade Mo if it resulted directly in acquiring the draft pick that brings us a very good, young QB.

 

2. I think the season is already sandbagged, tbh, especially if Fitzpatrick is brought back to be the QB. That early stretch features games against secondaries that will humiliate the sh*t out of him. I am of the belief that going 7-9 with Fitz is the worst of all the worst case scenarios. 

Typical Jets fan, scared to gain and learn the true power of more cap space. Pray for a 2nd that lands a solid LB for the next handful of years.

[TuscanyTile2]

10 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

This came up a lot in the thread about the trade. Three things:

1. They have cap space for his contract

2. They have picks to give us

3. They've already entertained a offer from us that likely included him

i think they're a good candidate as trade partner.

Mo money

Mo Wilkerson

[PepPep]

On 4/15/2016 at 1:29 PM, CrazyCarl40 said:

You do know analytics are based on what people actually see on the field, right?

Sort of. Its mainly based on stats put together from what players do on the field in certain situations. Once those stats are compiled, a conclusion is drawn. 

[SenorGato]

On 4/15/2016 at 1:12 PM, Beerfish said:

People on here seem to act as if Mo Wilk had the type of year last year 2 or 3 years ago.  He didn't.  He never showed he was extra dominant until last year.  He had a number of excellent half seasons in which he faded. 

Yeeeeeeah, no. 2015 might not even be his best season, though that doesn't really matter. What matters is that Wilkerson's been a stud in this league from Day 1 and was an elite player from his second season on.

[Shockwave]

On April 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, 32EBoozer said:

I believe Titans would want to make sure they could get a LT deal done with Mo before trading picks. I'm sure Mac would rather wait to see how the Draft plays out 1st but beggars/choosers

Wrote this in another thread.......

 

Titans and Jags are my top choices for a trade.

Caldwell has been GM since 2013 and the team still sucks. This is his last year as a GM unless they get to 8-8 or Div, title

Mo lined up between  Malik Jackson and Fowler will be devastating. That Division is Wide Open.

Shad Kahn would love a player named Mohammed! Just opened the pools at the stadium!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/jacksonville-jaguars/0ap2000000368606/Jaguars-owner-Khan-candid-about-new-swimming-pools

Tenn. has a new GM and a ton of picks. He may choose to build his team solely on Draft picks(might blow a few) or get a Wilkerson and compete now!

Don't want to waste these "Under Grace" years too much.

Tenn. fans are tired of waiting for a winner. Maybe they get aggressive..... for Mo.

+1. 

These are the two teams to watch. Both have Franchise QB's, Cap room, and need bigtime players. Tenn has alof of picks while Jax may be able to get Mo simply by trading back in the first round never having to give up a pick. 

[HighPitch]

you guys are funny with your dreams of getting 2 first rounders for wilk, or even those that cant stomach only getting a second. hell id give his ass away for a third today .  see ya later jerky

[C Mart]

On April 15, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Augustiniak said:

let's say mccags and tenn already have a framework for that deal in place.  would the jets reach a bit for lynch or cook in the first round to secure a qb they believe they can win with, or roll the dice in the 2nd and just take BAP in the first?  that could really test the model b/c qbs go fast.

If you like him and think he's your future 10 year QB you go get the  QB. Who gives a sh*t if he's alittle bit of a reach. Better than passing on him and someone else take him. 

 

[PatsFanTX]

you guys are funny with your dreams of getting 2 first rounders for wilk, or even those that cant stomach only getting a second. hell id give his ass away for a third today .  see ya later jerky

Two 1st rounders?

Yea, that is hilarious.