Sources: Muhammad Wilkerson might not report to Jets training camp

[SenorGato]

13 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

Mo is a very good player but he is really massively overrated by Jets fans.  If he retired tomorrow our D-line would have Williams and Sheldon starting at DE and our defense would be the same

Lol tell more funnies

[Beerfish]

Trade him to the Pats for Cooper and a 2nd rounder for gods sakes while we still can!

[Savage69]

49 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Lol tell more funnies

Would Mo do as well on a line that didn't have a Sheldon,Snacks and Williams on it?? 

[Patriot Killa]

4 hours ago, Colgateman said:

The thing with the Jones trade is, the Cardinals are just renting him. That team was great last year at everything except for past rushing, they added Jones so he can add that element for them, they are trying to make a Super Bowl push with old man Palmer

I see what you mean. Wilkerson's new team would have to have an extension in place while on the other hand, Jones was already under contract so a team trading for Wilk has to have a big contract and be willing to give up high draft picks. No wonder we haven't been able to get a trade done.

[SenorGato]

Just now, Savage69 said:

Would Mo do as well on a line that didn't have a Sheldon,Snacks and Williams on it?? 

For about the millionth time this offseason:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-all-22-all-star-team-muhammad-wilkerson-and-the-new-versatility/

http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-pick-nfl-all-pro-team/

http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-ranks-top-assets-nfl/

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-midseason-report-trade-value-update/

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-100-rankings-2015-part-2/

Wilkerson is literally the only one of those guys who was great before playing on a loaded DL. The far better question would be whether any of those guys would be as impactful on a DL without Mo Wilkerson. The likely answer is far and away no, they would not be.

[Savage69]

9 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

For about the millionth time this offseason:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-all-22-all-star-team-muhammad-wilkerson-and-the-new-versatility/

http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-pick-nfl-all-pro-team/

http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-ranks-top-assets-nfl/

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-midseason-report-trade-value-update/

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-100-rankings-2015-part-2/

Wilkerson is literally the only one of those guys who was great before playing on a loaded DL. The far better question would be whether any of those guys would be as impactful on a DL without Mo Wilkerson. The likely answer is far and away no, they would not be.

That article said he was the best player in the 2nd tier and in year 3 with the addition of Sheldon and Snacks he shined..No one is saying Mo isn't a excellent player but if you think it doesn't help playing next to other excellent players your nuts.. If he was on a line with Jags he would be much easier to stop was the point..

[RoadFan]

12 hours ago, Ghost said:

Holding out as he should. 

 

Agreed.   And the Jets aren't caving, as they should.  Only defensive players worth that kind of money are Von and Watt.

 

[SenorGato]

17 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

That article said he was the best player in the 2nd tier and in year 3 with the addition of Sheldon and Snacks he shined..No one is saying Mo isn't a excellent player but if you think it doesn't help playing next to other excellent players your nuts.. If he was on a line with Jags he would be much easier to stop was the point..

There's five links and this post addresses a grand total of zero. The very first link is from July 2013, or before year 3. Please read and get back to me instead of just ignoring everything to continue with the drivel you've said over and over without reading many times before. 

[Savage69]

23 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

There's five links and this post addresses a grand total of zero. The very first link is from July 2013, or before year 3. Please read and get back to me instead of just ignoring everything to continue with the drivel you've said over and over without reading many times before. 

5 links from Grantland I saw that..However one has to wonder if Mo is on the fast track to the HOF as you proclaim why hasn't Mac realized that or any other GM jumped at the chance to get him?? Is Gato the only one that see's the greatness in this once in a lifetime player??

[SenorGato]

39 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

5 links from Grantland I saw that..

Next step is reading them big guy. Break out those reading glasses and wipe the dust off! I could not possibly care less about your uninformed opinions on the player, been getting that all offseason. Your appeals to authority are still as baseless as they have been all offseason. Sorry this Muhammad boy is turning over Jets DL history and keeping your 80s drunk  in a forgotten and unsuccessful past, but in this case that is a good thing!!

[sourceworx]

4 hours ago, drdetroit said:

Cro's deal was just a 1-year contract.

 

Mo is a very good player but he is really massively overrated by Jets fans.  If he retired tomorrow our D-line would have Williams and Sheldon starting at DE and our defense would be the same

I agree. They have the horses to match his production.

It's more about getting something in return for a talented player. It would have been easier to trade him if he was already locked up at last year's going rate. 

Now if they let him walk in a year, they have to hope for a decent comp pick.

[32EBoozer]

18 hours ago, Mike135 said:

If Sheldon messes up again, it's possible.  Otherwise it seems like the Jets are keeping him around as a luxury until some other team will offer up something decent.

If there is a contending playoff team like Packers, Chiefs, Cardinals that suffer an injury to a 3-4 DE like Mo, can a trade be made during camp?

Having a player like Mo might allow us to get a #1 pick if a contending team feels their chances of getting into the PO is in jeapardy due to injury.

[Larz]

If I was advising Mo I would tell him to;

sign the tender

buy an insurance policy with Lloyds or whoever to cover you for injuries

work your butt off, get to camp, be the best team mate you can be and go total beast mode

say all the right things and make nice with the fans

then tell the jets you are going to test the market

best way to get paid imho

 

[SenorGato]

7 minutes ago, Larz said:

buy an insurance policy with Lloyds or whoever to cover you for injuries

work your butt off, get to camp, be the best team mate you can be and go total beast mode

say all the right things and make nice with the fans

He's done the latter two for 5 years now and probably did the first one a long time ago.

IIRC this whole franchise tag situation has until the end of this or next month to be worked out. The fire is still mostly mental/imaginary right now.

[Savage69]

25 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

If there is a contending playoff team like Packers, Chiefs, Cardinals that suffer an injury to a 3-4 DE like Mo, can a trade be made during camp?

Having a player like Mo might allow us to get a #1 pick if a contending team feels their chances of getting into the PO is in jeapardy due to injury.

I think players can be traded until early Nov?? 

[Sperm Edwards]

9 hours ago, drdetroit said:

Cro's deal was just a 1-year contract.

Yes and no. In the strictest sense it was not a 1 year contract it was a 4 year contract and they cut him after 1 year. Next, money not used on him would have been available to someone else, and/or could have been pushed to this year, directly or indirectly.  

That it contains no dead cap space due to there being no signing bonus is a distinction without a difference. $7M is $7M, whether it all came off last year or if $2M would have come off this year. No difference from a cap management perspective. I still see it as $7M of dead cap space and failing to see that $7M on the 2016 ledger is irrelevant. Just a dumb signing. 

[bassmaster2]

He must be taking advise from Revis  

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, bassmaster2 said:

He must be taking advise from Revis  

He'd be a fool to show up and risk injury for free. 

[bassmaster2]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

He'd be a fool to show up and risk injury for free. 

He could sign the tag and get 20 millon

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, bassmaster2 said:

He could sign the tag and get 20 millon

False. Plus he'd still be risking injury for free. Not like he asked to be tagged. Far from it. 

[Larz]

2 hours ago, SenorGato said:

He's done the latter two for 5 years now and probably did the first one a long time ago.

IIRC this whole franchise tag situation has until the end of this or next month to be worked out. The fire is still mostly mental/imaginary right now.

july 15th is crunch time.  The new CBA makes real hold outs almost impossible.

[SenorGato]

30 minutes ago, Larz said:

july 15th is crunch time. 

A full month from tomorrow and you guys have been raving up and down about the sky being mere inches above for months on end??!?!?!?!? Jeebus

[Hitman Harris]

1 minute ago, SenorGato said:

A full month from tomorrow and you guys have been raving up and down about the sky being mere inches above for months on end? Jeebus....I guess it is whatever is most entertaining.

That's why this Fitz drama is so ridiculous to me. Dude didn't even step in til the frickin preseason games and it didn't even matter really. 

But if he doesn't come in for the start of TC he can F off. 

[SenorGato]

12 minutes ago, Hitman Harris said:

That's why this Fitz drama is so ridiculous to me. Dude didn't even step in til the frickin preseason games and it didn't even matter really. 

But if he doesn't come in for the start of TC he can F off. 

WTF!! I'm so out of the loop with the foozeball that I did not know this. SEEMS absurd

[Raideraholic]

8 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

If there is a contending playoff team like Packers, Chiefs, Cardinals that suffer an injury to a 3-4 DE like Mo, can a trade be made during camp?

Having a player like Mo might allow us to get a #1 pick if a contending team feels their chances of getting into the PO is in jeapardy due to injury.

How are any of those teams fitting Muhammad Wilkerson salary in their salary cap. Most contending teams are right up against the cap, and can't afford Muhammad Wilkerson.

It sounds good to say trade Muhammad Wilkerson for high number one, but in reality it's almost impossible to do.( money to sign, plus compensation to acquire is hard for any team to justify)

The Jets either have to sign him to longterm contract, or be contempt to have him for this year, and watch him leave in Fa next year.

[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

If there is a contending playoff team like Packers, Chiefs, Cardinals that suffer an injury to a 3-4 DE like Mo, can a trade be made during camp?

Having a player like Mo might allow us to get a #1 pick if a contending team feels their chances of getting into the PO is in jeapardy due to injury.

Id think it would have to be before he signs his tender. The team can't realistically have an under-contract player negotiating a contract with someone else while all the other players are suited up.

Keep in mind, on the surface, the team outwardly says they want to retain him. So it would need to be while Mo is free to talk to other teams (as a FA) without he Jets' permission, therefore someone would need to have that injured player sustain said injury prior to July 15th. 

Technically possible after 7/15 but no way it happens in reality. Not for such an expensive player who doesn't have a contract past this season (and who has no desire to play under the existing tag). Absent banging out a long term deal in advance of the trade, they wouldn't offer the Jets enough for Maccagnan to part ways with Mo and survive the media onslaught. 

And even all this is predicated upon Sheldon not getting suspended as a starting point. 

[j4jets]

On June 13, 2016 at 9:55 PM, jett said:

Hmmmm really?? I kept reading we would have somewhere between 40-60 million 

Lol, not even close. 20-25 mil is about it n it doesn't include Mo's salary. But Mo would be the only major FA loss anyways. 

[j4jets]

19 hours ago, RoadFan said:

 

Agreed.   And the Jets aren't caving, as they should.  Only defensive players worth that kind of money are Von and Watt.

 

Von n Watt aren't getting that kind of money. They have a class of their own n don't be surprised if Von's gets near 20mil a year with 70 mil guaranteed. 

[PatsFanTX]

How are any of those teams fitting Muhammad Wilkerson salary in their salary cap. Most contending teams are right up against the cap, and can't afford Muhammad Wilkerson.

It sounds good to say trade Muhammad Wilkerson for high number one, but in reality it's almost impossible to do.( money to sign, plus compensation to acquire is hard for any team to justify)

The Jets either have to sign him to longterm contract, or be contempt to have him for this year, and watch him leave in Fa next year.

Gotta laugh at Jets fans who think they will get a first round draft pick for Mo.

There is no way a team will give up a #1 pick and then shell out big bucks for a long term contract.

Mo will leave as a FA next year and the Jets will get absolutely nothing in return.

Jets should have signed him long term last year or should have traded him this year for a 2nd round pick.

[jayrad01]

8 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

Gotta laugh at Jets fans who think they will get a first round draft pick for Mo.

There is no way a team will give up a #1 pick and then shell out big bucks for a long term contract.

Mo will leave as a FA next year and the Jets will get absolutely nothing in return.

Jets should have signed him long term last year or should have traded him this year for a 2nd round pick.

Tx check ur pms I have a question for you please.

[PatsFanTX]

Tx check ur pms I have a question for you please.

I replied.

[drdetroit]

7 hours ago, PatsFanTX said:

Gotta laugh at Jets fans who think they will get a first round draft pick for Mo.

There is no way a team will give up a #1 pick and then shell out big bucks for a long term contract.

Mo will leave as a FA next year and the Jets will get absolutely nothing in return.

Jets should have signed him long term last year or should have traded him this year for a 2nd round pick.

Wow your bored

[jack48]

On June 13, 2016 at 10:33 PM, F.Chowds said:

While Ryan Fitzpatrick's contract impasse has dominated the headlines, theNew York Jets could have an ugly situation developing on the other side of the ball with Pro Bowl defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson.

Unhappy that he still doesn't have a long-term contract, Wilkerson won't sign his franchise-tag tender anytime soon and might not report for the start of training camp in late July, sources said Monday.

Wilkerson will skip the team's mandatory minicamp, which begins Tuesday. Because he hasn't signed his tender, he can't be fined for not participating in the three-day event.

He is still rehabbing a surgically repaired broken leg, sustained in the final game of the season, so he wouldn't have been able to practice anyway in minicamp. His absence will shock no one in the organization, but the tenor will change if he decides to stay away from training camp.

If Muhammad Wilkerson doesn't report for training camp, it will be his biggest statement yet regarding his unhappiness with his contract situation. Andrew Weber/USA TODAY Sports

Wilkerson is upset because other defensive linemen have received lucrative contracts this offseason. The latest is Philadelphia Eagles defensive tackleFletcher Cox, who signed a six-year extension late Monday afternoon.

Cox's deal is worth $103 million, including $63 million in guarantees, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. It's the biggest guarantee for a non-quarterback in NFL history.

Wilkerson believes he's worth at least that amount, but the Jets apparently aren't willing to pay anywhere close to that.

By rule, teams have until July 15 to sign franchised-tagged players to long-term contracts. Failing a new deal, the player must play for his one-year tender. In Wilkerson's case, it would be $15.7 million.

Unless he signs his tender, Wilkerson can't be fined for not reporting to training camp because, technically, he wouldn't be under contract. For Wilkerson, who has skipped the voluntary portion of the past two offseasons, a no-show in training camp would be his loudest statement.

The Jets have been saying for two years, going back to the previous regime, that they'd like to re-sign Wilkerson, but they've made no progress in negotiations. They were open to trading him before the past two drafts but found no serious suitors. They haven't ruled out the possibility of tagging him again next year, which would be $18.8 million.

Wilkerson has been rehabbing privately at the Jets' facility in recent weeks. The 26-year-old lineman led the team with 12 sacks last season, a career high.

well he will have to start writing checks, won't he?

[Freemanm]

I doubt he's gonna leave nearly $16m on the table, and the Jets aren't budging from their stance. Expect him to be at camp. It's either that or sit out the season and watch his stock plummet. 

[Raideraholic]

3 hours ago, Freemanm said:

I doubt he's gonna leave nearly $16m on the table, and the Jets aren't budging from their stance. Expect him to be at camp. It's either that or sit out the season and watch his stock plummet. 

Of course he's going to play for the jets, and will definitely be there for the opening game .   He might miss all of training camp - Jets can't do anything about it, if he doesn't sign his franchise tender. 

The problem with missing that much time is players are usually more prone to injuries.( very risky when you're playing him 15.7 million for the year).   There is zero chance he holds out from any games.