CrazyCarl40 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: I didn't see anything about historical records there but it was awful Try this one then since you're very dense: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jets-rookie-qb-christian-hackenberg-was-historically-bad-against-the-eagles-090216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, RSJ said: I don't consider Leberfeld reputable by any stretch. He is citing Schefter. Who is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: Missing the point, as usual. The trouble here is that this level of dissent has returned to the Jets. Hearing this from within about the coach is alarming, considering a HC firing usually means his staff goes too. This is a major problem. It is. But, maybe this coach knows that he is being shown the door, and did this as a parting shot. Really, what kind of coach decides to trash a kid in the media? Very low class, even if it is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: Missing the point, as usual. The trouble here is that this level of dissent has returned to the Jets. Hearing this from within about the coach is alarming, considering a HC firing usually means his staff goes too. This is a major problem. I think the staff might be gone anyway. The timing suggests a petty (no pun intended) firing shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 How would any coach even know this about hack or petty? They wasted all the reps on geno smith all offseason and most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said: I changed it to Michigan-The 4 OT game. Sorry He had a very good freshman year He did, but was then horrible thereafter. And now is another year removed from a positive football year with anonymous NFL coach ripping him to the media and Bowles not willing to let him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: I believe Macc took Hack because of O'Brien's connection to him and possibly hearing alot about him while with the Texans...not because he actually evaluated the kid and thought he was any good. This indeed looks like a terrible pick. Private workouts. Do some homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Try this one then since you're very dense: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jets-rookie-qb-christian-hackenberg-was-historically-bad-against-the-eagles-090216 I'm not questioning that he was bad, I was just questioning your verbiage. That's all. That article uses regular season stats for the preseason. That's what I meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: He is citing Schefter. Who is. Nothing on Shefter's twitter the past 2 days on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: It is. But, maybe this coach knows that he is being shown the door, and did this as a parting shot. Really, what kind of coach decides to trash a kid in the media? Very low class, even if it is true This. Even if it's true this is just a cowardly thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, C Mart said: Nothing on Shefter's twitter the past 2 days on this. Good sign, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: It is. But, maybe this coach knows that he is being shown the door, and did this as a parting shot. Really, what kind of coach decides to trash a kid in the media? Very low class, even if it is true Lol, right. He's taking a parting shot at Christian Hackenberg to settle his personal vendetta against the kid. The coach is obviously just being honest, probably in response to a question he was asked by a media member he's friendly with. (Shefter) If he was disgruntled, his personal shot would've been against the organization/management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, SMC said: He did, but was then horrible thereafter. And now is another year removed from a positive football year with anonymous NFL coach ripping him to the media and Bowles not willing to let him play. Except that was the plan from when he was drafted. If anything, it's good to see a usually reactionary franchise have a backbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: How would any coach even know this about hack or petty? They wasted all the reps on geno smith all offseason and most of the season. Easy. All QBs throw in practice to some degree, be it on the sideline, drills etc. There's a gif in the other Hack thread of him throwing on sideline and missing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, C Mart said: Oh really? You know this? So that private workout by the Jets at PSU was for show? As well as his trip to Florham Park? No, I don't know this...which is why I said "I believe", meaning that it's an opinion of mine. Also, a private workout and an invite doesn't mean sh*t when talking about evaluating the guy when he plays. So again, I believe that Macc was possibly enamored by O'Brien's outlook on him and not based on actual personal evaluating as a scout/former scout. That's what I believe based on the ridiculous high draft pick...but not what I know as a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, SMC said: Easy. All QBs throw in practice to some degree, be it on the sideline, drills etc. There's a gif in the other Hack thread of him throwing on sideline and missing everything. Oh I c......that is how they coach qb in nfl these days....just let them play catch on sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Not the only time someone made an ocean crack like this. Bill Chadwick an ex-NHL ref who years ago was color man on New York Rangers broadcasts once said about Gene Carr, one of the Rangers forwards and a guy who couldn't score that he couldn't put the puck in the ocean if he was standing at the end of the pier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Villain The Foe said: No, I don't know this...which is why I said "I believe", meaning that it's an opinion of mine. Also, a private workout and an invite doesn't mean sh*t when talking about evaluating the guy when he plays. So again, I believe that Macc was possibly enamored by O'Brien's outlook on him and not based on actual personal evaluating as a scout/former scout. That's what I believe based on the ridiculous high draft pick...but not what I know as a fact. Got it. So having Mccagnan, Bowles, Gailey, QB coach and a scout at his private workout was for a joy ride because none of them had anything else better to do for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, SMC said: He did, but was then horrible thereafter. And now is another year removed from a positive football year with anonymous NFL coach ripping him to the media and Bowles not willing to let him play. The possible reasons he was horrible have been documented: -Franklin's system (Joh Donovan) did not fit him. He was mis-cast in that system -For some reason, PSU changed his footwork. It was obvious -The o-line stunk through depletion of schollys. Hack was stupid for leaving when he did. He was not ready. He probably felt it was not going to get better though. Does all of this make I'm a sure fire shot to make it? Of course not. But he is 21, and this regime will either make it with him, or be fired because of him. And rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: Oh I c......that is how they coach qb in nfl these days....just let them play catch on sidelines Well, that's part of it. You really think the non-starting QBs on the team don't throw at all in practice? http://makeagif.com/i/ch_Qoj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, C Mart said: Got it. So having Mccagnan, Bowles, Gailey, QB coach and a scout at his private workout was for a joy ride because none of them had anything else better to do for the day. It was just for show.......duhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: They do have open practices. I would think that a reporter could see Hackenberg and give us his general perception Once camp breaks they do not have open practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: Lol, right. He's taking a parting shot at Christian Hackenberg to settle his personal vendetta against the kid. The coach is obviously just being honest, probably in response to a question he was asked by a media member he's friendly with. (Shefter) If he was disgruntled, his personal shot would've been against the organization/management. Or he could have said something like "the kid has talent but has a lot of work to do if he's going to be a starter" instead of sounding like a sassy little b*tch behind anonymity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Gawd. This topic is so nauseating. I didn't know JN had so many NFL employed football scouts registered here. Who knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, C Mart said: Got it. So having Mccagnan, Bowles, Gailey, QB coach and a scout at his private workout was for a joy ride because none of them had anything else better to do for the day. Well, given that we have a coach that named a free agent quarterback the starter of his football team leads me to "believe" that anything is possible with these cast of characters. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, SMC said: Well, that's part of it. You really think the non-starting QBs on the team don't throw at all in practice? Yes they even commented on it..believe petty said he got 4 reps in a practice before the preseason game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 It's amazing how many fans refuse to believe the obvious about Hack with the ever-growing mountain of evidence. Seriously, you guys think everyone has it out for this kid and it's some sort of conspiracy? Even if this anonymous coach was disgruntled, why is Hack's inaccuracy the object of his parting shot?? Of all things??? It's a common theme with the kid. And it's backed by everything we saw of him in college and preseason. I know, I know...it's all James Franklin's system's fault. No matter that Hacks replacement has had no trouble and been twice as successful. Time for some of you to get your heads out of the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 37 minutes ago, maury77 said: Did Schefter actually post that or are we just supposed to take Leberfeld's word for it? Leberfeld was also the guy that campaigned for Bollinger to get a shot at the starting role. I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Pointdexter said: It's amazing how many fans refuse to believe the obvious about Hack with the ever-growing mountain of evidence. Seriously, you guys think everyone has it out for this kid and it's some sort of conspiracy? Even if this anonymous coach was disgruntled, why is Hack's inaccuracy the object of his parting shot?? Of all things??? It's a common theme with the kid. And it's backed by everything we saw of him in college and preseason. I know, I know...it's all James Franklin's system's fault. No matter that Hacks replacement has had no trouble and been twice as successful. Time for some of you to get your heads out of the sand. The obvious about Hack is that he has a long way to go in development. The organization knew this which is why they said he wouldn't play all this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: It's amazing how many fans refuse to believe the obvious about Hack with the ever-growing mountain of evidence. Seriously, you guys think everyone has it out for this kid and it's some sort of conspiracy? Even if this anonymous coach was disgruntled, why is Hack's inaccuracy the object of his parting shot?? Of all things??? It's a common theme with the kid. And it's backed by everything we saw of him in college and preseason. I know, I know...it's all James Franklin's system's fault. No matter that Hacks replacement has had no trouble and been twice as successful. Time for some of you to get your heads out of the sand. John Donovan's system, but I did not expect you to know this. All speculation, as it was an anonymous quote. What coach does this and why? Always look for what the true agenda is. Not sure what it could be here. Someone sounds disgruntled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Pointdexter said: It's amazing how many fans refuse to believe the obvious about Hack with the ever-growing mountain of evidence. Seriously, you guys think everyone has it out for this kid and it's some sort of conspiracy? Even if this anonymous coach was disgruntled, why is Hack's inaccuracy the object of his parting shot?? Of all things??? It's a common theme with the kid. And it's backed by everything we saw of him in college and preseason. I know, I know...it's all James Franklin's system's fault. No matter that Hacks replacement has had no trouble and been twice as successful. Time for some of you to get your heads out of the sand. Look the Bills did the same thing with Cardale Jones not play or activate the guy until basically today. And last year Petty also didn't take a snap. A number of other Qbs in the same category. If Romo not injured might have been the same story with Zak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: Yes they even commented on it..believe petty said he got 4 reps in a practice before the preseason game You're now talking about reps with the 1st or 2nd team. I'm talking about throwing at all in practice because you said that coaches couldn't evaluate Hack's accuracy during practice because he wasn't getting reps. But that's just not true because coaches can just observe a QB when he throws if he "can't hit the ocean" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: It's amazing how many fans refuse to believe the obvious about Hack with the ever-growing mountain of evidence. Seriously, you guys think everyone has it out for this kid and it's some sort of conspiracy? Even if this anonymous coach was disgruntled, why is Hack's inaccuracy the object of his parting shot?? Of all things??? It's a common theme with the kid. And it's backed by everything we saw of him in college and preseason. I know, I know...it's all James Franklin's system's fault. No matter that Hacks replacement has had no trouble and been twice as successful. Time for some of you to get your heads out of the sand. Or maybe most people aren't concerned with an anonymous quote that reiterated the obvious issue that was the reason we "redshirt" him, and are more pissed that there is a sassy little b*tch running around the organization. And yeah, if you actually take your head out of the sand you'd understand why Franklin and Hack were a bad combo and why the success there is happening now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Pointdexter said: It's amazing how many fans refuse to believe the obvious about Hack with the ever-growing mountain of evidence. Seriously, you guys think everyone has it out for this kid and it's some sort of conspiracy? Even if this anonymous coach was disgruntled, why is Hack's inaccuracy the object of his parting shot?? Of all things??? It's a common theme with the kid. And it's backed by everything we saw of him in college and preseason. I know, I know...it's all James Franklin's system's fault. No matter that Hacks replacement has had no trouble and been twice as successful. Time for some of you to get your heads out of the sand. He may very well suck but I thik I will wait until he actually gets coached and plays in a couple preseason games next summer. If he sucks then he sucks....there is no evidence right now Other than this past preseason where the kid got no attention at all. Fitz took majority of practice reps, geno then got little over 1/4, petty got scraps after that and hack caught flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 They key isnt accuracy but confidence and persistence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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