LionelRichie Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 by my count there are likely 18 of 22 starting positions up for grabs this off-season with the Jets. I think this is a testament to how god-awful the roster and last few drafts have been but I'm really not sure. It may be a blessing to finally have players show up hungry and actually compete for a job. The starters I have penciled in: DE - Wilkerson DE - Williams LB (t) - Lee LG - Carpenter As far as I can tell every other position is currently unsettled and basically up for grabs. There are no contracts or entrenched starters that can't be cut or traded. Can anyone remember a time with more positions up for grabs? Maybe Parcells 1st season, but even then he had more than 4 of "his guys" with pretty much guaranteed positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The good news: Maccagnan hasn't contractually strangled the roster with many long term deals! the bad news: he hasn't drafted anyone worth a long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 i think pryor, marshall, decker, enunwa, anderson, harris, asj, skrine, powell, shell, and maybe a couple more. these guys all are under contract and could/should be starters. but your point is well taken. there aren't many who have a solid lock on their positions right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The good news: Maccagnan hasn't contractually strangled the roster with many long term deals! the bad news: he hasn't drafted anyone worth a long term deal. williams????? we'll probably see more of what jenkins, lee, devon smith, shell, burris, and anderson can do this next season. i think with good coaching these guys will be good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, rangerous said: i think pryor, marshall, decker, enunwa, anderson, harris, asj, skrine, powell, shell, and maybe a couple more. these guys all are under contract and could/should be starters. but your point is well taken. there aren't many who have a solid lock on their positions right now. If he had any firing neurons, he'd be burning up the phones trying to trade both Marshall and Decker immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, rangerous said: williams????? we'll probably see more of what jenkins, lee, devon smith, shell, burris, and anderson can do this next season. i think with good coaching these guys will be good players. Where will they attain this "good coaching" you speak of? Watching Game Changin' Deone Buchanon highlight videos on YouTube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: If he had any firing neurons, he'd be burning up the phones trying to trade both Marshall and Decker immediately. why? both marshall and decker are very good receivers who make the others that much better by drawing the defense. if they trade either or both good luck with scaring the defenses with enunwa, anderson, and peake, or devon smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Where will they attain this "good coaching" you speak of? Watching Game Changin' Deone Buchanon highlight videos on YouTube? man such negativity. give the guy a chance. and don't forget hurtt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, rangerous said: why? both marshall and decker are very good receivers who make the others that much better by drawing the defense. if they trade either or both good luck with scaring the defenses with enunwa, anderson, and peake, or devon smith. They're both over 30, have reasonable contracts, both are malcontents who didn't want any part of playing with a young QB, and the team is going 6-10 next year regardless of whether or not any opposing defense is scared of Eric Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: They're both over 30, have reasonable contracts, both are malcontents who didn't want any part of playing with a young QB, and the team is going 6-10 next year regardless of whether or not any opposing defense is scared of Eric Decker. Good post, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Decker is untradeable cause hes hurt. Marshall will be gone shortly. Enunwa and anderson start next year with peake and marshall as depth. When decker returns from injury thats a solid 5 guys. Hopefully, we get a miracle and a guy like mike williams falls to us at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, rangerous said: i think pryor, marshall, decker, enunwa, anderson, harris, asj, skrine, powell, shell, and maybe a couple more. these guys all are under contract and could/should be starters. but your point is well taken. there aren't many who have a solid lock on their positions right now. if Skrine is starting at CB next season then Macc should fired on the spot. I've never seen an easier game of pitch and catch than watching Carson palmer throw 12 yd outs vs Skrine. It was like practicing vs. air. Marshall isn't going to make 7.5M next season so he is a ? at best. Harris is in the same boat. Powell is competing with Forte for the starting spot. enunwa had a breakout season but is guaranteed nothing, especially with a new OC. Decker may not even be ready for the start of camp. The rest are young and competing for a spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: The good news: Maccagnan hasn't contractually strangled the roster with many long term deals! the bad news: he hasn't drafted anyone worth a long term deal. You forgot the ugly. Most of his moves have been Idziot like and what's to believe that would change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: The good news: Maccagnan hasn't contractually strangled the roster with many long term deals! the bad news: he hasn't drafted anyone worth a long term deal. He's had two drafts, a total of 13 players. Outside of Jarvis Harrison and Hack, every one of them has managed to get on the field and show something positive. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The jury is still out on Macc. With good coaching he can look even better. So I would say the jury is quiet, thinking and perhaps adding to hear more testimony. On Bowles, most of the jury is ready to convict. They are arguing. It is not looking good. Unless Witness Woody either extends him or gives him a large budget for an OC, I think they convict him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 12 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Decker is untradeable cause hes hurt. Marshall will be gone shortly. Enunwa and anderson start next year with peake and marshall as depth. When decker returns from injury thats a solid 5 guys. Hopefully, we get a miracle and a guy like mike williams falls to us at 6. Solid? Whoa nelly one year of okay but not great play from our young relievers does not make them solid. These guys dropped a lot of balls down the stretch. I want both Marshall and Decker back to be honest unless we get a nice offer for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Good: forces us to hold onto our draft picks and play young guys instead of spending a billion dollars to fill out half the roster with guys people have heard of Bad: not all young guys will be good, and almost none will be good right away; Jets fans briefly lower paste from lips and angrily demand more guys they've heard of Ugly: Woody is no smarter than the average Jets fan, and agrees that the problem is a glaring lack of guys he's heard of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 hours ago, LionelRichie said: by my count there are likely 18 of 22 starting positions up for grabs this off-season with the Jets. I think this is a testament to how god-awful the roster and last few drafts have been but I'm really not sure. It may be a blessing to finally have players show up hungry and actually compete for a job. The starters I have penciled in: DE - Wilkerson DE - Williams LB (t) - Lee LG - Carpenter As far as I can tell every other position is currently unsettled and basically up for grabs. There are no contracts or entrenched starters that can't be cut or traded. Can anyone remember a time with more positions up for grabs? Maybe Parcells 1st season, but even then he had more than 4 of "his guys" with pretty much guaranteed positions. That's pretty much it. I'd even say Lee could be upgraded considering he cant do anything he was drafted to do. I've said it numerous times before outside of the DL and 1 OG position, the Jets can upgrade every single position on the roster. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Solid? Whoa nelly one year of okay but not great play from our young relievers does not make them solid. These guys dropped a lot of balls down the stretch. I want both Marshall and Decker back to be honest unless we get a nice offer for them. Dropped a lot of balls down the stretch? That is your complaint and you want Marshall back? I think that guy dropped more in one game than all the young guys did for the season. According Dropped Passes: 2016 NFL Season, Marshall was 2nd worst in the league with 8 total. One better than Crabtree, but with a worse percentage per target (6.3%). Enunwa and Anderson had 4 each, Peake and Jalin Marshall had 1. None of the other WRs were worse than 4.6%. Our worst drops come from ASJ (10%!) and the RBs, Forte, Powell and Spiller all were pretty bad. I don't know how official these stats are. I think people tend to rail on and on about any target that isn't caught being a drop unless it is in the third row, but I will physically fight anyone that thinks that Brandon Marshall was not worse than Anderson or any of the rookies regarding drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Dropped a lot of balls down the stretch? That is your complaint and you want Marshall back? I think that guy dropped more in one game than all the young guys did for the season. According Dropped Passes: 2016 NFL Season, Marshall was 2nd worst in the league with 8 total. One better than Crabtree, but with a worse percentage per target (6.3%). Enunwa and Anderson had 4 each, Peake and Jalin Marshall had 1. None of the other WRs were worse than 4.6%. Our worst drops come from ASJ (10%!) and the RBs, Forte, Powell and Spiller all were pretty bad. I don't know how official these stats are. I think people tend to rail on and on about any target that isn't caught being a drop unless it is in the third row, but I will physically fight anyone that thinks that Brandon Marshall was not worse than Anderson or any of the rookies regarding drops. Sure he did, he is also the type of WR that due to his smarts and physical attributes can make a QB look good. Fitz looked like a war hero the year before this one having a good decker an Marshall. People seem to be forgetting the era just before we got decker and marshall as to how awful our WRs were. Peake, Anderson and Jain Marshal showed some stuff but hardly enough to be considered solid 1 or 2 guys. Enumwa looked great the 1st half of last year but flat out dropped some key passes the last few games. By all means dump marshal and decker but be ready to be looking for WRs in the short and long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 hours ago, LionelRichie said: by my count there are likely 18 of 22 starting positions up for grabs this off-season with the Jets. I think this is a testament to how god-awful the roster and last few drafts have been but I'm really not sure. It may be a blessing to finally have players show up hungry and actually compete for a job. The starters I have penciled in: DE - Wilkerson DE - Williams LB (t) - Lee LG - Carpenter As far as I can tell every other position is currently unsettled and basically up for grabs. There are no contracts or entrenched starters that can't be cut or traded. Can anyone remember a time with more positions up for grabs? Maybe Parcells 1st season, but even then he had more than 4 of "his guys" with pretty much guaranteed positions. It depends on what you mean by unsettled. In a lot of those spots, we have rookies/young player that should and will start. And you are forgetting the WRs. And this is essentially how all rebuilds begin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 hours ago, rangerous said: i think pryor, marshall, decker, enunwa, anderson, harris, asj, skrine, powell, shell, and maybe a couple more. these guys all are under contract and could/should be starters. but your point is well taken. there aren't many who have a solid lock on their positions right now. Marshall and Pryor should be goners IMO, as well as Revis, Skrine, Clady, Giacomini, and maybe Mangold and Harris. I have no problem with bringing both veterans back since they are already signed. Henderson should be a cap casualty as well as Sefarian-Jenkins who gave us nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, Ex-Rex said: Marshall and Pryor should be goners IMO, as well as Revis, Skrine, Clady, Giacomini, and maybe Mangold and Harris. I have no problem with bringing both veterans back since they are already signed. Henderson should be a cap casualty as well as Sefarian-Jenkins who gave us nothing. Disagree about ASJ. LIke him at TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Disagree about ASJ. LIke him at TE Has potential but hasn't delivered. I would keep him until preseason is over. If he flashes yeah keep him, otherwise, nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: Has potential but hasn't delivered. I would keep him until preseason is over. If he flashes yeah keep him, otherwise, nah. That's fair. Starters for this year right now. Wilkerson, Williams, Lee, Carpenter, Enunwa, Decker, ASJ, Powell, Jenkins So that leaves 13 out of 22 starting positions in flux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Sure he did, he is also the type of WR that due to his smarts and physical attributes can make a QB look good. Fitz looked like a war hero the year before this one having a good decker an Marshall. People seem to be forgetting the era just before we got decker and marshall as to how awful our WRs were. Peake, Anderson and Jain Marshal showed some stuff but hardly enough to be considered solid 1 or 2 guys. Enumwa looked great the 1st half of last year but flat out dropped some key passes the last few games. By all means dump marshal and decker but be ready to be looking for WRs in the short and long term. Personally, I would dump one and it wouldn't be Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 ASJ had a 10% drop rate and has character concerns. He is no lock for starter. These reclamation projects are okay if they are straightening up and flying right, but you have to be careful who/what you are taking on. See our starting ILB Erin Henderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 hours ago, T0mShane said: They're both over 30, have reasonable contracts, both are malcontents who didn't want any part of playing with a young QB, and the team is going 6-10 next year regardless of whether or not any opposing defense is scared of Eric Decker. This is a very valid point, but the flip side is that going into the season with Quincy Enunwa as your #1 WR, you're basically conceding the season before it starts. I'd keep one of them, and for me it would be Marshall. For all the man's faults, he's going to command genuine #1 WR attention, giving the kids more of a chance to succeed. Petty throwing to Enunwa and Anderson? If the #1 pick in 2018 is the goal, that's a good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: ASJ had a 10% drop rate and has character concerns. He is no lock for starter. These reclamation projects are okay if they are straightening up and flying right, but you have to be careful who/what you are taking on. See our starting ILB Erin Henderson. And for ASJ, it's all on him. The Jets don't have the leadership in the locker room or on the coaching staff to make that difference with him. He has to want it for himself. Barring a stupid alcohol-related brush with the law, I'd give him every chance to get his crap together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 16 hours ago, T0mShane said: the bad news: he hasn't drafted anyone worth a long term deal. Everyone he has drafted is at the latest in year 2 of their contract. LMFAO. So whats the point of even talking about extensions and re-signing guys he drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's an improvement if we look to add young players both in the draft and FA to compete/fill those voids. You have to be young in todays NFL. The Jets need to be more on the other side of 30. Young players. That's the goal for me. I don't care if we have to start a guy or two next year whose a 4th or 5th rounder who might not be ready to start right away, we have to get young. The goal shouldn't be to plug holes with to many older vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said: It's an improvement if we look to add young players both in the draft and FA to compete/fill those voids. You have to be young in todays NFL. The Jets need to be more on the other side of 30. Young players. That's the goal for me. I don't care if we have to start a guy or two next year whose a 4th or 5th rounder who might not be ready to start right away, we have to get young. The goal shouldn't be to plug holes with to many older vets. Agreed look at perhaps our best fa signing of late, Carpenter, young up and coming player, not and end of the road guy, The only position I would be fine with getting an older vet would be Left Tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Agreed look at perhaps our best fa signing of late, Carpenter, young up and coming player, not and end of the road guy, The only position I would be fine with getting an older vet would be Left Tackle. Agreed. We could sprinkle in an older vet here and there but Maac went after to many early on. Revis, Fitz, Revis, Cromartie, McClendon, Clady, added with re-signing Harris and already having guys like Mangold, Brick, and Breno here. I don't have a problem with any one of these guy by themselves. But when you combine them all you are left with an older team that's aging. That's to many guys to old to invest significant money into IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Interesting that the Jets would dump any of their WRs, but I think Marshall would be the easiest one to replace. Each of the Jets wide receivers played a different role within the offense and they seem to have a good group with a lot of versatility. Decker is great route runner that gets open early in his routes; He is a very reliable target. Marshall used to be a great all-around receiver that could beat you on the route, fight for the catch and hurt you after the catch. He is starting show his age but is still a good receiver. Enunwa could probably replace Marshall as he has a similar skill set. Doesn't seem to have the confidence that Marshall has but that will develop with time. Also his route running still needs to develop but he's getting there. Anderson is a great developing WR but not there yet (reminder: he hasn't played that long). Needs to work on his route running and work himself into the open areas in zone. Anderson reminds me of T.Y. Hilton's struggles when he first came into the league. Hilton was a boom or bust wide receiver that relied on big plays to have an impact. Over the 5 years that Hilton has been in the league, he has developed his understanding of using his speed at the appropriate time to gain separation. If Anderson learns to do this too, he could eventually become a starting WR. Peake and Jalin Marshall seem to be too far off as of right now to take over that starting role or even the 3rd WR role. If the Jets could keep this core of receivers together and they could stay healthy (big if), this unit is probably the least of their worries. They have capable veterans with young developing talent behind them. Seems like a good template for building a talented roster. The other position groups on the team need both capable starters and young developing talent. Only other position group that may be set up this way is the RBs. Why add another problem when there are so many others to fill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: Personally, I would dump one and it wouldn't be Decker. I wouldn't be surprised to see Decker on PUP next season. 2 very difficult injuries to recover from and he had them simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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