dbatesman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, PepPep said: Mangold- not signed by Macc, Clady- not signed by Macc (that was a trade), Breno- not signed by Macc, Folk- not signed by Macc. So who exactly are you talking about? Point well taken. In fact, of the terrible players Maccagnan himself signed to exorbitant contracts, the only one he's cut is the guy who's turning 32 in July, hasn't given a sh*t about football in fifteen months, and just got arrested for beating up a fan. REBUILD, BIGG MACC STYLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Rule 1: Always have an exit strategy. He had one Actually, rule 1 is "don't do dumb sh*t in the first place," but I don't suppose that particular plaque is going up at Florham Park anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Point well taken. In fact, of the terrible players Maccagnan himself signed to exorbitant contracts, the only one he's cut is the guy who's turning 32 in July, hasn't given a sh*t about football in fifteen months, and just got arrested for beating up a fan. REBUILD, BIGG MACC STYLE Which brings up the question of how many players did Macc sign to exorbitant contracts in the first place? Gilchrist (Probably will be cut) Skrine (Probably won't) Forte (Only been here one year) That's basically it. Reupping existing players doesn't really count because they were already here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: Actually, rule 1 is "don't do dumb sh*t in the first place," but I don't suppose that particular plaque is going up at Florham Park anytime soon. The coverup is usually worse than the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Which brings up the question of how many players did Macc sign to exorbitant contracts in the first place? Gilchrist (Probably will be cut) Skrine (Probably won't) Forte (Only been here one year) That's basically it. Reupping existing players doesn't really count because they were already here What? Of course they count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The coverup is usually worse than the crime. I blame myself for engaging with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, PepPep said: 100% agree. This is not a 'complete rebuild'. You will see the Jets as major players in FA. Revis, Gilchrist and Maybe Skrine will get cut and I think the Jets will go after one of the top CB FAs and go after a CB early in the draft (one of their pick Rd. 1-3). I think they will re-sign W.Johnson and go after a FA LT- Okung was immediately mentioned as a target when he got cut loose. Once all is said and done, this will be a roster with a combination of highly paid vets and cheaper young players. Much like almost every NFL team. The question is- will the young players be able to take the next step and will the vets perform up to their salaries. In 2015, they did (for the most part). In 2016 they did not (for the most part). The other, bigger question is one that has haunted the Jets for years- will they have a legit starting QB at the helm that can win games. I truly believe Hack can be that guy, but he will have to take a leap forward. Otherwise, this will be another year like any other for the Jets, all the pieces seem to be there- but without good QB play, they will be going nowhere. i agree with this. i don't see how the jets will be able to attract any decent free agents if they are going into a full rebuild. they will just stay away. and then, assuming the jets do finally build a core of lower priced players, to bring in a good free agent will be expensive. i think the current moves are good and had to be done. they might have been done regardless of the team's record, of course the flip side is the record would may have been better had the players played up to their salaries. if the jets get a decent qb and the players play full games it could be a pretty good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, dbatesman said: What? Of course they count. If you insist. Wilkerson (Too early to make a judgement) Harris (Solid performer throughout his contract and now can be cut without dead money. Call that a success). Powell (Played very well this year, but I have to be fair and say it's too early to judge) BTW, by exorbitant, I don't mean 1-2 year deals (Which is why Fitzpatrick doesn't come up. Same with J. Jenkins and McClendon) And I forgot Carpenter in the first post. That was a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Which brings up the question of how many players did Macc sign to exorbitant contracts in the first place? Gilchrist (Probably will be cut) Skrine (Probably won't) Forte (Only been here one year) That's basically it. Reupping existing players doesn't really count because they were already here i'm of the opinion that mac has not signed any players to crazy contracts except for revis, wilk, and fitz. but even there, no one could have predicted the bad seasons these three would've had in 2016. and even fitz's contract wasn't that bad considering they got him in 2015 for peanuts and then 12 million for 2016. so they got their starting qb for about 7 million per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 To answer the original question, it means that we are finally coming out of the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said: Cutting unproductive veterans with huge salaries is not going into "rebuild mode" This. The rhetoric on the site right now is pre-K level. Several veteran contracts were given out with an eye on 2017 as the year that cutting loose said veterans, presumably because it would have given the GM 2 draft classes to find some ball players. To me, this is the natural process of molting for an NFL team. Now, we have to hope a third draft class, plus another wave of FA additions is enough to start competing. This year, not in 2045 like the goof troop keeps insisting upon here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 These moves also might indicate that they are willing to roll the dice with Petty and Hackenbeg at QB, with maybe a Hoyer type veteran in the mix just in case the other two completely crap the bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 36 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Point well taken. In fact, of the terrible players Maccagnan himself signed to exorbitant contracts, the only one he's cut is the guy who's turning 32 in July, hasn't given a sh*t about football in fifteen months, and just got arrested for beating up a fan. REBUILD, BIGG MACC STYLE Fair enough. The thing about Revis though is that he WAS good. I mean, he was even good in 2015, having one of his better seasons. Nobody expected him to fall off a cliff the way he did in 2016. Sure, at his age and with injuries being a constant nag he was going to decline. But I don;t think anyone though he would get beat like a drum in nearly every game. So Macc miscalculated. But had Revis had a good season in 2016 and sucked in 2017, cutting him in 2018 would cost the Jets very little in dead $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, PepPep said: Fair enough. The thing about Revis though is that he WAS good. I mean, he was even good in 2015, having one of his better seasons. Nobody expected him to fall off a cliff the way he did in 2016. Sure, at his age and with injuries being a constant nag he was going to decline. But I don;t think anyone though he would get beat like a drum in nearly every game. So Macc miscalculated. But had Revis had a good season in 2016 and sucked in 2017, cutting him in 2018 would cost the Jets very little in dead $$$. I would say the same with Gilchrist. Statistically he had a career year in 2015. So two of his big 3 "failures" in exorbitant contracts were good for one year than flamed out. Only Skrine remains on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, NoBowles said: To me, it tells me that Woody gave Mac and Bowles the order to try a short compete now with a focus on building towards the future, and this was a Woody initiative, not a Mac initiative. If it were a Mac initiative, I think we would see Mac in complete salvage his job mode and trying to do everything he can to win now. I see no way Woody would give him a clean slate unless this was Woodys orders. I know all of the die hard Idzik supporters love to bash everything Mac does, but I have felt all along this was our sh*tty owner. I can only hope that our sh*tty owner is starting to see the error of his ways, and that Mac is better than he appears. Yeah but it could also mean that Woody has told Bowles and Macc they are safe. Either way, having a clear long term strategy would be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 It tells me that Macc wants to hire his own HC...............If he survives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Stark said: Is there such a thing as a "die hard Idzik supporter"... that dude was, legitimately the worst GM ever. He f'd up two drafts in one draft year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets rooter Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 The bottom line is that you can expect the jets to be in last place for the next two years. Lets hope that woody sells the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, Maxman said: Yeah but it could also mean that Woody has told Bowles and Macc they are safe. Either way, having a clear long term strategy would be a good thing. Agree, my feeling though is the only reason they could possibly safe is if they were following Woody's orders. If Mac and Bowles looked at the situation two years ago and said we think were a few aging high priced vets away from competing for a SB, and this was the result, Woodrow would not have patience. But I agree, either way hopefully they have a good clear long term strategy and hopefully the right people in place to execute it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 49 minutes ago, Maxman said: Yeah but it could also mean that Woody has told Bowles and Macc they are safe. Either way, having a clear long term strategy would be a good thing. When I heard Bowles was coming back, that was my feeling as well. There's literally no reason to keep him this year if you're going to fire him next year. Same goes for Macc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 54 minutes ago, NoBowles said: Agree, my feeling though is the only reason they could possibly safe is if they were following Woody's orders. If Mac and Bowles looked at the situation two years ago and said we think were a few aging high priced vets away from competing for a SB, and this was the result, Woodrow would not have patience. But I agree, either way hopefully they have a good clear long term strategy and hopefully the right people in place to execute it. Combined with the need to spend Idzik's hoarded money, Woody clearly told Mac and Bowles to compete in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Augustiniak said: for me, this signals they're less likely to go after someone like aj mccarron or glennon and go all in with hackenberg and maybe a one-year stop gap guy like hoyer who would only be there to lose the first half of the season before they throw hackenberg in. mccagnan will not save his job bringing in someone else's qbs. I'd like to see them have Petty and Hack compete for the starting job, with the loser as the primary backup. Sink or swim with these QB picks, and act accordingly next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I don't think we'll know for sure whether the Jets are in "full rebuild mode" until we see what they do in FA. At this point it's entirely possible Mac is trying to save his job by cutting overpaid dead weight so he can aggressively try to improve the team. If the purge continues and we are thrifty in FA it probably signals that Woody has given Mac the assurance that he can truly rebuild the team from the ground up with some level of job security. There's a pretty good QB class in 2018... 2017 might be a long season, but I'm fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, flgreen said: It tells me that Macc wants to hire his own HC...............If he survives Ooooh, we're bringing back the Idzik theory. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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