If Klecko and Revis are the 2 greatest Jets defensive players ever, who's 3rd?

[Gas2No99]

Just now, Klecko73isGod said:

No. There was less than a minute and a half left in the half, the Jets were trailing by 17 on 3rd and 17 on their own 26 and Schotty calls a pass play? The smart move would have been to call a run against an overly aggressive defense that blitzed like 70% of the time and try to run the clock out on the half without any more damage. 

The next person whose shoulders this falls on is Sanchez, who, if he were a fraction of the QB you seem to dream he is, would have recognized the blitz pre-snap and audibled to a run. 

Blaming Brick for that game is like getting caught cheating and reacting by yelling at your wife for looking at your phone. 

 

 

No. You can not CLAIM what SHOULD have been the call. The play that was called was the play that had to be executed. 

Sanchez, for all his faults in the regular season, was NOT the cause for loss during those playoff runs. That said, YES, Sanchez should have recognized that BOTH CBs were coming in to blitz and SHOULD have audible out - but I don't put the burden on a neophyte QB STILL learning. I place more of that burden on my ALL-PRO STUD LT who should have recognized it.  

We disagree, but then again why is it worth the time to bicker with someone who emulates Ol' Joe as a deity? You have your torpid opinion and I have mine. 

[Gas2No99]

3 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said:

Says the guy blaming D'Brickashaw Ferguson for losing the AFC Championship Game in January 2011. 

Look in the mirror, son. 

I ain't your son Viagra, and unlike some bitter SOJ fans here who can't find their dentures, I'm not bitter towards Brick you dolt, I just place more responsibility on him to have executed better. So get over yourself, SON.

[Klecko73isGod]

7 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

 

No. You can not CLAIM what SHOULD have been the call. The play that was called was the play that had to be executed. 

Sanchez, for all his faults in the regular season, was NOT the cause for loss during those playoff runs. That said, YES, Sanchez should have recognized that BOTH CBs were coming in to blitz and SHOULD have audible out - but I don't put the burden on a neophyte QB STILL learning. I place more of that burden on my ALL-PRO STUD LT who should have recognized it.  

We disagree, but then again why is it worth the time to bicker with someone who emulates Ol' Joe as a deity? You have your torpid opinion and I have mine. 

 

4 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

I ain't your son Viagra, and unlike some bitter SOJ fans here who can't find their dentures, I'm not bitter towards Brick you dolt, I just place more responsibility on him to have executed better. So get over yourself, SON.

[peebag]

If I had to have one player of all time sans injuries, I'd take Kris Jenkins....strongest player I ever saw play.

 

[Kleckineau]

42 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said:

Oh... and Gastineau is a one-dimensional, overrated, selfish prick. 

Oh yeah well....... Mr. T was by far the fvcking worst contestant ever on DWTS

Take that mofo ☺

[New York Mick]

****sake what a sh*t list. 

[Klecko73isGod]

1 minute ago, Kleckineau said:

Oh yeah well....... Mr. T was by far the fvcking worst contestant ever on DWTS

Take that mofo ☺

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!

[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, peebag said:

If I had to have one player of all time sans injuries, I'd take Kris Jenkins....strongest player I ever saw play.

 

God he was unstoppable for that short period we had him:

 

[JiFtheOracle]

 

[JiFtheOracle]

 

 

[section314]

5 minutes ago, JiF said:

God he was unstoppable for that short period we had him:

 

Big Jenks made the whole thing work. Went he went down, the "D" went from great to average at best. He first year with us, he was deservedly being considered for MVP. 

[cant wait]

2 hours ago, HessStation said:

If Parcells and staff had stayed I believe John Abraham would be heading to the HOF.

He might still be, he had a long productive career

[The Crusher]

21 minutes ago, JiF said:

God he was unstoppable for that short period we had him:

 

I still remember jumping up and down with my kids when that play happen. Suck a beast.

[Gas2No99]

28 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said:

 

articulate and eloquent response.

You are More like:

 

than 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

8 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I still remember jumping up and down with my kids when that play happen. Suck a beast.

I'd love to, are you available? 

[UntouchableCrew]

Kris Jenkins is a beast but he simply didn't play here long enough to be considered a great Jets defender. He played, what, 23 games in three years?

[David Harris]

Gastineau may have been the most impactful jet defender of all time.

but yeah I'd put him at 3 with all the off the field and on the field nonsense with him.  And sar is correct to ever forget the browns debacle. It will always be my first memory of gastineau.

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, Gas2No99 said:

I say the same regarding most of your posts as well.

What was the final score? If that ONE play did not occur, would the Jets have needed ANOTHER TD score to win the game or would they have SUFFICIENTLY won because in the 2nd half they SHUTOUT the Steelers and scored more OFFENSIVE points than the Steelers that ENTIRE game. 

Not stopping Antonio Brown on 3rd down in the 4th quarter COST us the game, because I KNOW, as do MOST Jets fans, HAD THERE BEEN MORE TIME, Jets would have scored AGAIN and won b/c the Jets were HOT in the 2nd half. 

So, with an entire half to play, had that play not occurred, ever other play in the game would have gone exactly the same way that it did?  Seems legit.

[ZachEY]

13 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Kris Jenkins is a beast but he simply didn't play here long enough to be considered a great Jets defender. He played, what, 23 games in three years?

Also, the defenses as a whole got better when he was off the field.  I really don't understand why that is though, because he was awesome.

[Larz]

1 hour ago, peebag said:

If I had to have one player of all time sans injuries, I'd take Kris Jenkins....strongest player I ever saw play.

 

for 1 game its Jenkins

for 1 season its Abraham

for a career for me its probably Ellis

[SenorGato]

No love for JAbe? They've been trying to replace that guy for a decade+ now. 

[Ex-Rex]

5 hours ago, SAR I said:

Roughing The Passer in Cleveland is 10x worse than the Buttfumble.

A resounding "no".

SAR I

That play, in and of itself, did NOT lose that game. The Jets dropped two interceptions in the Cleveland end zone that would have effectively ended the game before overtime. Gastineau was a one dimensional player who was disliked by his teammates because he was selfish. His talent alone was off the charts, but his attitude toward playing the run was negligable. I say Marty Lyons is third.

[kelly]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

Definitely.

yup !

 

[Ex-Rex]

37 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Kris Jenkins is a beast but he simply didn't play here long enough to be considered a great Jets defender. He played, what, 23 games in three years?

Jenkins was dominant, but he was not drafted by the Jets, nor did he play long enough to be considered a Jets "all time great"

[Gas2No99]

34 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, with an entire half to play, had that play not occurred, ever other play in the game would have gone exactly the same way that it did?  Seems legit.

Never said that. I see how you can INFER that. But if ALL THINGS remained the same, then YES I would agree with YOUR inference on my statement.

Love how you simplify it to EITHER  / OR when you take a comment out of context. That was a crucial play that I pointed out b/c I DO believe that one play was the difference. Caveman logic, I guess.

[ZachEY]

10 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Never said that. I see how you can INFER that. But if ALL THINGS remained the same, then YES I would agree with YOUR inference on my statement.

Love how you simplify it to EITHER  / OR when you take a comment out of context. That was a crucial play that I pointed out b/c I DO believe that one play was the difference. Caveman logic, I guess.

At the TIME it HaPPeNeD, it really wasn't a CRUcIAL play.  It was a play that just furthered the BEATING they were taking.  It O^NLY beCaMe a _cruCiAL play because the J-E-T-S managed a COMEBACK.  A CoMeBACK, which can be largely ATTRIB^{(mmmm ribs)}UTED to the STEALERZ taking their foot off the GAS unTiL theY neeDed to MAKE ^UH PLAY.

[Klecko73isGod]

6 minutes ago, gEYno said:

At the TIME it HaPPeNeD, it really wasn't a CRUcIAL play.  It was a play that just furthered the BEATING they were taking.  It O^NLY beCaMe a _cruCiAL play because the J-E-T-S managed a COMEBACK.  A CoMeBACK, which can be largely ATTRIB^{(mmmm ribs)}UTED to the STEALERZ taking their foot off the GAS unTiL theY neeDed to MAKE ^UH PLAY.

Post of the decade. 

[Jet_Engine1]

Bunch of kids around here. It's Philbin.

Period. 

 

Harris? LOL

 

Aaron Glenn? LOL.

 

Ellis? Hahahaha. No.

 

Please.

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

God he was unstoppable for that short period we had him:

 

If he stayed healthy we win the whole thing.   He was that important. 

[Kleckineau]

20 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

That play, in and of itself, did NOT lose that game. The Jets dropped two interceptions in the Cleveland end zone that would have effectively ended the game before overtime. Gastineau was a one dimensional player who was disliked by his teammates because he was selfish. His talent alone was off the charts, but his attitude toward playing the run was negligable. I say Marty Lyons is third.

Nobody would deny 99's one dimensional play. Pass rush specialists are one dimensional by nature, coaching and assignment.

Its near impossible to play the run when you are heading to the QB like a heat seeking missle on nearly every play.

When you ave a line with Salaam Lyons Klecko you can get away with that to a large degree. 

Not saying you do, but why hate the guy for it. He wasnt Joe Klecko. Few are. Joe Klecko wasnt Reggie White. Maybe 3 are.

Hating on 99 for his "one dimensionality" is like saying Nolan Ryan sucked, wasnt a complete pitcher because all he could do was throw heat and strike people out 

 

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

I call horsesh*t

Gastineau was ONE OF THE MOST FEARED PASS RUSHERS in the 80's and STILL IS the TRUE ALL-TIME SACK LEADER!!!!!

YES, he was an idiot and cost us a trip to the Superbowl (JUST LIKE D'Brick in the '10 AFCCG missing that CB blitz which led to the deciding TD vs. the Steelers)  but HOW DARE YOU question fan loyalty for recognizing one of the GREATEST Jets to put on a Kelly Green uniform. AND YES, Gastineau's STUPIDITY is merely a reflection of the Jets' fan base, but the man made it WORK!

Breathe it in Sar . . . . .

I love you bro, but this guy was a POS as a person and as a Jet, the evidence is indisputable:

• Showboating sack celebration backlash leads to numerous penalties
• Selfish behavior leads to massive locker room discord
• Roughing the passer turns 3rd and 24 into 1st and 10 costing the Jets trip to AFC Championship Game.
• Crosses picket line as a scab immediately as the players strike launches.
• Quits team in Week 7 to be with Hollywood starlet girlfriend.
• Becomes a boxer, fights pro wrestlers.
• Gets arrested for domestic violence.
• Gets arrested for drug posession.
• Spends 11 months incarcerated at Rikers Island

Years ago I said that on the day this guy is buried I'm going to go out to Long Island and do a sack dance celebration on his grave.  While the passing of time has taken the sting out of Roughing The Passer, I still intend to do that dance.  Worst Jet of all time.

SAR I

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

Mark's s*tty play cost us a trip to two super bowls, yet you've been able to let go of that pretty quickly. 

Mark was the best Jet on the field in two consecutive AFC Championship Games.

I hold the '09 and '10 defense in contempt for those losses, Rex Ryan a close second.

SAR I

[Kleckineau]

2 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said:

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!

No!

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I rewatched that game recently and noticed that Gastineau wasn't the only one who roughed the passer on that play.  (I forgot the other guy already but go check it out - the game is on YouTube).  We were still up 10 at that point btw.  And our offense was beyond pathetic that game.  Not saying Gastineau wasn't partly to blame but I do think in retrospect its a bit overdone (I didn't think so until I rewatched the game btw)

It would have been 3rd and 24 from the Browns own 18 yard line having just given up a devastating sack.  The game would have been over.

Instead, new life at the 33, new set of downs, the celebrating Jets shocked on their heels, exhausted defensive players, you know the rest.  The Browns needed 2 scores in 6 minutes, that play was the key to the whole thing.

SAR I

[SAR I]

34 minutes ago, gEYno said:

At the TIME it HaPPeNeD, it really wasn't a CRUcIAL play.  It was a play that just furthered the BEATING they were taking.  It O^NLY beCaMe a _cruCiAL play because the J-E-T-S managed a COMEBACK.  A CoMeBACK, which can be largely ATTRIB^{(mmmm ribs)}UTED to the STEALERZ taking their foot off the GAS unTiL theY neeDed to MAKE ^UH PLAY.

Correct, but the foot they took off the gas was on offense, not defense.

Steelers played strong defensively the whole game, their offense in the second half went silent because they didn't want to make the big turnover that would let the Jets back in the game.  Their defense was effective when it needed to be, their offensive strategy worked as Roethlisberger eventually got to the moment where he needed to make a handful of plays to drain the rest of the clock and he did so with ease.

The Jets defense didn't show up in Pittsburgh, they were too full of themselves after feeling like world beaters the week before in Foxboro.  Can't Wait!  Yeah, they did.

SAR I