ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Not using your feelings that are running wild on this message board...but rather using FACTS... Prove me wrong. I only had time to pick the "best" team to compare us against but feel free to look up some others. 2015-2018 Drafts JETS - 28 picks Currently still have 18 on the team (64%) 9 are starters (32%) Patriots - 33 picks Currently still have 14 on the team (42%) 4 are starters (12%) So you say "Mac sucks at drafting" but what are you basing it on? Almost 3/4 of his picks are still kicking and it looks like this year will be no different. 5 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 It’s almost as if hoarding picks to compensate for the unpredictable nature of the draft works. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maxman Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, ECURB said: Not using your feelings that are running wild on this message board...but rather using FACTS... Prove me wrong. I only had time to pick the "best" team to compare us against but feel free to look up some others. 2015-2018 Drafts JETS - 28 picks Currently still have 18 on the team (64%) 9 are starters (32%) Patriots - 33 picks Currently still have 14 on the team (42%) 4 are starters (12%) So you say "Mac sucks at drafting" but what are you basing it on? Almost 3/4 of his picks are still kicking and it looks like this year will be no different. Well it is easier to find a starter on a bad team than it is to draft starters on a Super Bowl level team. But I agree with the premise, the draft is way more of a crap shoot than people admit. 17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, Matt39 said: It’s almost as if hoarding picks to compensate for the unpredictability of the draft works. Not according to the stats... They are hitting fewer times than the JETS are with more swings. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, Maxman said: Well it is easier to find a starter on a bad team than it is to draft starters on a Super Bowl level team. But I agree with the premise, the draft is way more of a crap shoot than people admit. That's why I left the total too... Pats sure seem to whiff on a lot of guys... Maybe it is just a HOF QB covering up their bad drafting a luxury the JETS have not had. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, ECURB said: Not using your feelings that are running wild on this message board...but rather using FACTS... Prove me wrong. I only had time to pick the "best" team to compare us against but feel free to look up some others. 2015-2018 Drafts JETS - 28 picks Currently still have 18 on the team (64%) 9 are starters (32%) Patriots - 33 picks Currently still have 14 on the team (42%) 4 are starters (12%) So you say "Mac sucks at drafting" but what are you basing it on? Almost 3/4 of his picks are still kicking and it looks like this year will be no different. This might be because it’s harder to earn a roster spot on a perennial contending team that everyone wants to play for than it is to earn a roster spot on a perennial losing team that nobody wants to play for but I’m no #logician 14 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post genot Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 Your not wrong. People are frustrated because of our win-loss record. Can't blame them When you look fairly, at the last 4 years it really comes down to, who was behind center and how did he perform. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees. We have one now. Winning is just around the corner 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bomberjet Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 I get what the OP is pointing out but better to compare to a team with a mediocre roster like the Browns or Dolphins. It would be tough for newbie to crack a top team like the Pats or Saints for that matter. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 It’s also more difficult to make the Pats. Because they don’t have holes at just about every position. Also more difficult to draft at 32 each round than 3. Macc, however, has drafted the fewest NFL players of anyone over that time period. In other words, his picks, after they wash out with the Jets, are valueless to anyone, which controls for talent level on the original team. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This might be because it’s harder to earn a roster spot on a perennial contending team that everyone wants to play for than it is to earn a roster spot on a perennial losing team that nobody wants to play for but I’m no #logician Nice feelings. Give me some facts. How many are on other teams then? How many pats starters did they draft? I only counted 4 since 2015... Your feelings are baseless step your game up. 3 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, genot said: Your not wrong. People are frustrated because of our win-loss record. Can't blame them When you look fairly, at the last 4 years it really comes down to, who was behind center and how did he perform. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees. We have one now. Winning is just around the corner Agreed. Yes losing sucks but the mindset around here is just so negative. Its like people are afraid to have hope. I mean we have a young franchise QB which is the one thing we have screamed about most of our lives. Have we plugged every hole with top players? NO but we added a lot of pieces and I think next year is gonna be pretty fun. We are a young team and will keep adding pieces as we get better. Im not saying we are a contender right now but I do see us taking a good leap and then beyond I see real good things 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, TeddEY said: It’s also more difficult to make the Pats. Because they don’t have holes at just about every position. Also more difficult to draft at 32 each round than 3. Macc, however, has drafted the fewest NFL players of anyone over that time period. In other words, his picks, after they wash out with the Jets, are valueless to anyone, which controls for talent level on the original team. Based on what? The Pats have more players they drafted out of the NFL now than the JETS... Look it up. How is it harder to earn at spot? Other than QB every spot has had turnover in NE just like anywhere else. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, ECURB said: Based on what? The Pats have more players they drafted out of the NFL now than the JETS... Look it up. How is it harder to earn at spot? Other than QB every spot has had turnover in NE just like anywhere else. Who on the Jets that Maccagnan drafted is starting in New England? Dont give me Adams because he wouldn’t over Mccourty or Chung 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetFaninMI Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 Here's some for you: How many starting OL has he drafted? How many starting OL has he drafted since picking Sam? How many starting OL has this team drafted in the 1st 2 rounds? The draft is a crap shoot no doubt. When you continually ignore a position for so long that it becomes a major problem that's neglect. When you continue to ignore it after drafting your franchise QB well then that's just plain stupidity. No defense for that. NONE. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 It's hard to find new starters for a dynasty team. Regardless, does any legitimate NFL expert believe the Jets have added more talent than the pats in that time period? And how many of Macs draft picks would start on the pats. Finally, does any of this explain Mac's outright refusal to draft O lineman? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, ECURB said: Nice feelings. Give me some facts. How many are on other teams then? How many pats starters did they draft? I only counted 4 since 2015... Your feelings are baseless step your game up. Edelman, Brady and Gronk who are their three best players on offense were all drafted by Belichick. All 3 would obviously be the Jets best player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, genot said: Your not wrong. People are frustrated because of our win-loss record. Can't blame them When you look fairly, at the last 4 years it really comes down to, who was behind center and how did he perform. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees. We have one now. Winning is just around the corner See you agree that Sam is a FQB yet you ignore the fact that your boy Macc continues to neglect the one position that directly supports that FQB. WOW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said: It's hard to find new starters for a dynasty team. Regardless, does any legitimate NFL expert believe the Jets have added more talent than the pats in that time period? And how many of Macs draft picks would start on the pats. Finally, does any of this explain Mac's outright refusal to draft O lineman? Didnt he draft a O lineman in Round 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, Matt39 said: Who on the Jets that Maccagnan drafted is starting in New England? Dont give me Adams because he wouldn’t over Mccourty or Chung You are bringing more feelings to my fact party... But I will play your subjective game. Leo Adams Lee Herndon Jenkins Lac Edwards 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Who on the Jets that Maccagnan drafted is starting in New England? Dont give me Adams because he wouldn’t over Mccourty or Chung Man, youzz one crazy ass white dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Serious lack of factual evidence here guys... Look up some other teams too... Unless you like proving yourselves wrong of course. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, ECURB said: Nice feelings. Give me some facts. How many are on other teams then? How many pats starters did they draft? I only counted 4 since 2015... Your feelings are baseless step your game up. This isn’t about feelings, other than the feelings driving your premise. Your question is equivalent to saying “More people stay at the Motel 6 every year than stay in the Beverly Wilshire.” You’re completely and transparently discounting a bunch of variables to make a silly point. 4 2 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, ECURB said: Based on what? The Pats have more players they drafted out of the NFL now than the JETS... Look it up. How is it harder to earn at spot? Other than QB every spot has had turnover in NE just like anywhere else. Least in the NFL is more telling than more out. Macc has the least in. Jason at OTC demonstrated that, and I have posted the same data. Also if you can’t comprehend how it’s harder to make a good team than a bad one or how it’s harder to get players at the top of the rounds than the bottom, there’s no reason to discuss anything, as the starting points are too far off. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, ECURB said: Serious lack of factual evidence here guys... Look up some other teams too... Unless you like proving yourselves wrong of course. You’re not proving anything remotely important. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, ECURB said: You are bringing more feelings to my fact party... But I will play your subjective game. Leo Adams Lee Herndon Jenkins Lac Edwards Lee. Hahahahajahahahahaha. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Mac's record as GM is 24-40 and the team's win total has never increased during his tenure. Mac sucks. Prove me wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ECURB said: You are bringing more feelings to my fact party... But I will play your subjective game. Leo Adams Lee Herndon Jenkins Lac Edwards The punter ? Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jets723 said: Didnt he draft a O lineman in Round 3 A project to say the least. How many has he drafted since he got the job? How many has he drafted since he drafted SAM? How many has he drafted with a 1st or 2nd round pick? You know since he drafted the FRANCHISE QB? HOW MANY? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, ECURB said: Not using your feelings that are running wild on this message board...but rather using FACTS... Prove me wrong. I only had time to pick the "best" team to compare us against but feel free to look up some others. 2015-2018 Drafts JETS - 28 picks Currently still have 18 on the team (64%) 9 are starters (32%) Patriots - 33 picks Currently still have 14 on the team (42%) 4 are starters (12%) So you say "Mac sucks at drafting" but what are you basing it on? Almost 3/4 of his picks are still kicking and it looks like this year will be no different. Kudos for putting some cool analysis together although i do have a query: how much better does a player need to be to stick much less start for the reigning champions versus the NJ Woodys? edit: read the rest of the thread, seems I’m late to this party. Any beer left? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Brady is playing 1 on 11 and compensating for a secretly inept coach and GM is my favorite Jets fanboy argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 So, we are saying that a team that perennially drafts around #3, #6, etc. has a higher hit rate than a team that rarely takes its first player before 30th? Interesting. Next thing you’ll tell me is that a pitcher throwing the ball 30 feet away from home plate tends to have more strikeouts than somebody who has to pitch from 60 feet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 14 in Green Posted April 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ECURB said: Based on what? The Pats have more players they drafted out of the NFL now than the JETS... Look it up. How is it harder to earn at spot? Other than QB every spot has had turnover in NE just like anywhere else. LOL I love this thread, but its going to die a quick death. Simply because you're only presenting facts, and asking the JN naysayers to refute them with a fact based answer. This won't go over well. My prediction is one of them starts another "Macc can't draft" thread where they can console each other by posting he should be fired, and the Johnson's should sell the team. This makes them both happy and miserable at the same time, which is right up their alley. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneChrebet80 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Who on the Jets that’s maccagnan drafted is starting in New England? Dont give me Adams because he wouldn’t over Mccourty or Chung Jamal Adams would start over Patrick Chung without a doubt. An Adams/McCourty combo would be lethal. Also both Leonard Williams and Quinnen would start over any of their current DL (Lawrence Guy and Mike Pennel) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The main issue I have with Maccagnan is roster construction and utilization of resources. Now that he has his QB things should normalize breers article about how Maccagnan stalked Sam for 2 years demonstrated that he isn’t necessarily drafting for this season I believe the Brady window is in play here and i think if Maccagnan survives we will see him trading for veterans and running it like the rams did last year to get a window where Sam is on his rookie deal but Brady is gone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, WayneChrebet80 said: Jamal Adams would start over Patrick Chung without a doubt. An Adams/McCourty combo would be lethal. Also both Leonard Williams and Quinnen would start over any of their current DL (Lawrence Guy and Mike Pennel) Leonard would, he’s really the only 1. Quinnen was just drafted so I left him out. Both were 6 and 3 in the drat which the Pats don’t have the luxury of having(a good thing) Belichick loves Chung and is probably the smartest player on their team. He ain’t getting swiped by Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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